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la anaconda de chocolatee Jul 7 2008, 10:56 PM Post #281
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well I know I didnt want to but I couldnt think of a better word
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Auntie Maine Jul 7 2008, 11:02 PM Post #282
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Its a museum. :hugz
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Rodney Jul 7 2008, 11:07 PM Post #283
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A memorial place, really.

I have been and it's weird. It has been visited by so many people and the whole putting the house up for public viewing and constant re-painting makes it look less authentic.

However when you walk in Anne'and mr. Dussel's bedroom and the attic where she and Peter would have their long conversations and where she would peep out of the window seeing the skies, wanting to just go outside for a moment...it gets to ya.
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Auntie Maine Jul 7 2008, 11:11 PM Post #284
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Its a museum.....


The Anne Frank House on the Prinsengracht in Amsterdam, The Netherlands, is a museum dedicated to Jewish wartime diarist Anne Frank, who hid from Nazi persecution with her family and four other people in hidden rooms at the rear of the building. As well as the preservation of the hiding place — known in Dutch as the Achterhuis — and an exhibition on the life and times of Anne Frank, the museum acts as an exhibition space to highlight all forms of persecution and discrimination.


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Rodney Jul 7 2008, 11:18 PM Post #285
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Well if you're gonna be technical about it...lol

pfffffft. An american telling a Dutch person about Het Achterhuis and what it is....probably copy pasted from some stupid american tourist website *stomps feet like a petulant child who likes to be right ALL the time* :;


I see it as a memorial place.
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Auntie Maine Jul 7 2008, 11:24 PM Post #286
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Now I shall quote you...

"I think it's important that movies about the Holocaust are made. teaches people to never forget. Warns people that", just saying that "such a thing should never happen again" isn't enough. It happened again, the media just decided not to focus on it when it was too late(think Sebrenica,Kosovo, Rwanda, Zimbabwe etc). It's happening again and again."

Thats why I have read so extensively on the war and what and how it happened.Read The Diary Of Ann Frank when I was in Jr.High.Saw "The Hiding Place" when it came out.From then on I had to know everything I could.So yes I do know quite a lot about Dutch history during WWII. :curtsy
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Still a memorial place, bitch :;


Do you think that if Anne had survived the war, she would have become a great novelist? I've read the english version of the Diary and some bits get lost in translation. On the whole, the translators have done an excellent job in retaining Anne's way of "writing and "tone of voice"...So having read her diary and considering she was, what? 13? when she started writing in it, do you think she was a great writing talent?

I think she was and could have possibly been great. She edited the thing herself as she grew older and finding out about that writing compositions on "Radio Oranje" Of course some passages were edited by the publishers...
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I also admit that war history fasinates me, but especially WW 1 and WW 2 most of all
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Denovissimus Jul 8 2008, 01:14 AM Post #289
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Humans and their fascination with war, even in hindsight.
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Auntie Maine Jul 8 2008, 12:30 PM Post #290
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"I've read the english version of the Diary and some bits get lost in translation."

like what?
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Study: Military gays don't undermine unit cohesion


WASHINGTON - Congress should repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" law because the presence of gays in the military is unlikely to undermine the ability to fight and win, according to a new study released by a California-based research center.

The study was conducted by four retired military officers, including the three-star Air Force lieutenant general who in early 1993 was tasked with implementing President Clinton's policy that the military stop questioning recruits on their sexual orientation.

"Evidence shows that allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly is unlikely to pose any significant risk to morale, good order, discipline or cohesion," the officers states.

To support its contention, the panel points to the British and Israeli militaries, where it says gay people serve openly without hurting the effectiveness of combat operations.

Undermining unit cohesion was a determining factor when Congress passed the 1993 law, intended to keep the military from asking recruits their sexual orientation. In turn, service members can't say they are gay or bisexual, engage in homosexual activity or marry a member of the same sex.

Supporters of the ban contend there is still no empirical evidence that allowing gays to serve openly won't hurt combat effectiveness.

"The issue is trust and confidence" among members of a unit, said Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis, who retired in 1993 after working on the issue for the Army. When some people with a different sexual orientation are "in a close combat environment, it results in a lack of trust," he said.

The study was sponsored by the Michael D. Palm Center at the University of California at Santa Barbara, which said it picked the panel members to portray a bipartisan representation of the different service branches. According to its Web site, the Palm Center "is committed to keeping researchers, journalists and the general public informed of the latest developments in the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy debate." Palm himself was "a staunch supporter of civil rights in the gay community," the site says.

Two of the officers on the panel have endorsed Democratic candidates since leaving the military — Army Lt. Gen. Robert Gard, who supports Barack Obama, and Marine Corps Gen. Hugh Aitken, who backed Clinton in 1996.

Air Force Lt. Gen. Robert Minter Alexander, a Republican, was assigned in 1993 to a high-level panel established by the Defense Department to examine the issue of gays in the military. At one point, he signed an order that prohibited the military from asking a recruit's sexual orientation.

Alexander said at the time he was simply trying to carry out the president's orders and not take a position. But he now believes the law should be repealed because it assumes the existence of gays in the military is disruptive to units even though cultural attitudes are changing.

Further, the Defense Department and not Congress should be in charge of regulating sexual misconduct within the military, he said.

"Who else can better judge whether it's a threat to good order and discipline?" Alexander asked.

Navy Vice Adm. Jack Shanahan said he had no opinion on the issue when he joined the panel, having never confronted it in his 35-year military career. A self-described Republican who opposes the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq war, Shanahan said he was struck by the loss of personal integrity required by individuals to carry out "don't ask, don't tell."

"Everyone was living a big lie — the homosexuals were trying to hide their sexual orientation and the commanders were looking the other way because they didn't want to disrupt operations by trying to enforce the law," he said.
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Oh, just bits where she's expressing certain feelings or emotions? I completely get her when I read her diary in Dutch. In the english translation those passages come very close to what she is trying to evoke but it's slightly off. some dutch words you simply cannot translate into english.

The last entry of the diary is a clear example. There is a lot of emotion in there.
When i read that bit, I get the sneaky suspicion that Anne sensed that the family's number was up.

I have to say that, those translators should be in charge of every dutch-english translated publication. Dutch is a difficult language and does not 'flow"as beautifully as english and they did an amzing job. if Anne wrote the book in english, it would have come out just like the Diary you read, Dan
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pffffffffft...that whole gay military thing is so stupid. I mean, being in the army is just another job. A very risky job but, a job nonetheless.

It's not like when you apply for a job, your boss says: "If your colleagues ask you about your sexual orientation....don't tell them!"

Millitary person: "can you hold a gun?"

Applicant: "Yes"

Millitary person: "can you fire a gun?"

Applicant: "yes...but I'm gay..."

Millitary person: "But...you can still hold a gun, right?"

Applicant: "Yes"

Milliatry person: "Welcome aboard soldier....just one more question"

Applicant "yes sir?"

Millitary person: "with you being gay, can you tell me if these trousers go with this shirt?"

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la anaconda de chocolatee Jul 8 2008, 01:12 PM Post #294
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I know! Everyone in the military is trained the same way regardless! So everyone does the job the same
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Rodney Jul 8 2008, 01:18 PM Post #295
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Obviously us gays would do the job with style. uniforms would become haute couture.

Lesbians would introduce the "power"look and adopt a more "no-nonsense"approach

See? The millitary can only benefit from the gays! :ha
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Julesy Jul 8 2008, 02:22 PM Post #296
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I dont give a shit if you are gay, a racisct, a wife beater, a hooker any person who society deems 'unfit', go serve cause my ass aint volunteering. :toot
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Rodney Jul 8 2008, 03:15 PM Post #297
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That's nice...putting gays in the same league as a racisct, a wife beater, a hooker.....LMAO

I get your point. It just looked funny. :ha
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Julesy Jul 8 2008, 03:21 PM Post #298
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well so many ignorant fucks lump everyone they see as 'wrong' into one pile.
I should have put hispanic illegal immigrants but surely they cant qualify being illegal and all.
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Rodney Jul 8 2008, 03:23 PM Post #299
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You should have put Homosexual quadreplegic blind illegal hispanic transgender immigrant.

Fuck I hate those people, man... :ha
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Taman Jul 8 2008, 03:25 PM Post #300
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That's nice...putting gays in the same league as a racisct, a wife beater, a hooker.....LMAO


:ha Oh no. And damn those orphans too... taking all that orphanage space.
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