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The US 2008 Presidential Race; Obama v McCain-Let's Get Ready to Rumble
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You do realize you can only vote for one candidate right? :chuckle

I know, I know. Well it wont matter much for me anyway, by the time they do the PA primaries it will probably be pretty much locked in who the nominations will be
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Winners & Losers from Iowa

Stuart Rothenberg Fri Jan 4, 9:15 AM ET

After months of speculation about who'll win Iowa, we finally have winners and losers. Some of them are obvious, while others may not be. One thing for sure is that a rousing speech on caucus night doesn't mean a candidate has won. In some cases, losers seemed to yell even louder than winners.
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Iowa Winners

1. Barack Obama. The easiest pick of the night, Obama's win means that he goes to New Hampshire as a winner. No, the Democratic contest is not over, but if he wins in the Granite State, he'll be hard to stop in South Carolina. And if he sweeps those three, he may never look back.

Entrance polling showed Iowa Democrats responded strongly to Obama's message of change - half of Democrats said that the top quality they were looking for in a candidate was his or her ability to bring about change, and of those respondents, 51 percent voted for Obama. The Illinois Democrat's campaign also clearly benefited from the surge in Democratic turnout and from the participation of Iowans who had never before caucused.

Obama won among caucus-goers who said the war was the top issue, as well as among those who identified the economy or health care as the most important issue. He won "very liberal" and "somewhat liberal" Democratic caucus attendees handily, and nosed out Clinton among self-described moderates. All in all, an impressive performance.

2. Mike Huckabee. In May, Huckabee wasn't even on the radar screen in Iowa. At the end of the day, he was outspent, and he won what is always regarded as an "organizational race" without much of an organization.

Huckabee clobbered the rest of the GOP field on two key candidate qualities: "shares my values" and "says what he believes." That's a good place to start when you are running for your party's Presidential nomination.

But Huckabee did as well as he did on Thursday only because of the make-up of Thursday's Republican caucus-goers. The former Arkansas Governor won the caucuses because he cleaned up among the most conservative and most religious attendees. Six out of ten GOP caucus-goes were evangelicals, and he won them 46 percent to 19 percent over Mitt Romney.

Among the 36 percent of GOP attendees who said that the religious beliefs of the candidates matter "a great deal," Huckabee won 56 percent - five times more than Romney, McCain or Thompson. But New Hampshire doesn't look like natural Huckabee territory, and the Arkansas Republican's long-term prospects in the race are not as bright as they may look today.

3. John McCain. Sure, McCain finished essentially tied for third with Fred Thompson, but Romney's less than sterling showing could dry up some of the former Massachusetts governor's support in New Hampshire, and that could boost McCain's prospects on Tuesday. The only problem for the Arizona Republican: If the Obama bandwagon draws even more Granite State Independents into the Democratic primary, depriving McCain of potential supporters.

4. Rudy Giuliani. The win by Huckabee means that the GOP race is as confused as ever, and that's a plus for the former New York City mayor, who benefits from confusion in the early contests. Giuliani's chances for the Republican nomination don't look all that bright, but he would have been much worse off if Romney had won in Iowa.

Iowa Losers

1. John Edwards. Anyone who listened to Edwards's caucus night speech had to be asking, "What's he smoking?"

After drawing 32 percent in the 2004 caucuses and spending the next four years camped out in the state, Edwards finished essentially tied for second on Thursday. To make matters worse, the other "change" candidate in the contest, Bracak Obama, finished first. And, Obama's optimistic change message trumped Edwards's angry, populist message.

Edwards, who railed against corporate greed, focused on jobs and trade and aimed his message at the "little guy," lost union households to both Clinton and Obama.

Edwards will now have major resource problems, and he isn't likely to do well in New Hampshire. If his comments last night are any indication, he isn't likely to go quietly. But the former North Carolina senator is in serious trouble. He needed to win in Iowa, and he didn't. It's just that simple.

2. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Clinton's problem isn't that Edwards nosed her out for second; it's that caucus attendees preferred change over experience, raising questions about her fundamental appeal. The calendar isn't her friend over the next month, and she'll be peppered with process questions when she'd rather talk about things that voters want to hear.

Nobody should count the New York senator out. Iowa, after all, is just a single state, and Clinton and Obama ran virtually even among self-described Democrats in Iowa, which offers her hope in true closed primary states. But Clinton no longer is in the driver's seat, as indicated by the fact that she lost women, 35 percent to 30 percent, to Obama in the caucuses.

3. Mitt Romney. How do you go from a prohibitive favorite in the Iowa caucuses to a surprisingly distant runner-up to Mike Huckabee? Ask Romney. He did it.

Romney won with upscale Republicans, more moderate and urban GOP caucus-goers and those for whom the religious beliefs of the candidate didn't matter a lot. But he got swamped by conservative evangelicals who wouldn't vote for a Mormon. He won't have that problem in New Hampshire, but he has a different one there: John McCain.

Romney needs a win in the Granite State or in Michigan to stay in the hunt. One of his biggest problems is that caucus attendees didn't think that "he says what he believes."
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Press Releases › NH GOP Pulls Out of Fox GOP Forum

January 5, 2008 3:49 pm EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – The Ron Paul 2008 presidential campaign praises the New Hampshire Republican Party’s decision to pull its sponsorship of the Fox News forum in protest of Fox’s decision to exclude Congressman Ron Paul.

“The New Hampshire Republican Party did the right thing by pulling its sponsorship for Fox’s candidate forum,” said Ron Paul 2008 spokesman Jesse Benton. “Fox News’ decision to exclude Congressman Paul is unfair, but it won’t stop Dr. Paul’s message of freedom, peace and prosperity from resonating with the people of New Hampshire.”

Today, New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen released the following statement regarding Sunday’s Republican forum on FOX:

“The first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary serves a national purpose by giving all candidates an equal opportunity on a level playing field. Only in New Hampshire do lesser known, lesser funded underdogs have a fighting chance to establish themselves as national figures. Consistent with that tradition, we believe all recognized major candidates should have an equal opportunity to participate in pre-primary debates and forums.

“This principle applies to tonight’s debates on ABC as well as Sunday’s planned forum on FOX. The New Hampshire Republican Party believes Congressmen Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter should be included in the FOX forum on Sunday evening. Our mutual efforts to resolve this difference have failed.

“While we understand that FOX News continues to move forward it is with regret, the New Hampshire Republican Party hereby withdraws as a partner in this forum.”
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Fuck fox! :rocks
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fox loves to suck big fat hairy dick!
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Paul In Crosshairs Of Elite

Pat Shannan
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Monday January 7, 2007

Bilderberg tracker Daniel Estulin says he has received information from sources inside the U.S. intelligence community suggesting that people from the highest levels of government are discussing “eliminating” Rep. Ron Paul because its controlled political system is threatened by Paul’s exploding popularity.

Estulin, whose information has proven accurate in the past, went public with the bombshell story Dec. 14 on Alex Jones’s national radio show.

“I am getting information from my sources that there are people involved from a higher level of the American establishment who are seriously considering assassination,”Estulin said.

Estulin’s past predictions about global events were accurate because of the solid information provided to him from within the Bilderberg organization. Over 18 months ago Estulin correctly made the call that the Iran invasion had been delayed and was probably off the table, which appears now to be the case following the release of the National Intelligence Estimate showing that Iran had terminated its nuclear research in 2003.

Estulin, an award-winning investigative journalist, said that he was given the information from a source that has been reliable for over a decade in providing accurate projections of future events based on what the elite were discussing in their own circles and that assassination was a serious option should the Ron Paul Revolution continue to grow.

Retired FBI Special-Agent-in-Charge Ted Gunderson, 78, has been a whistleblower since his retirement nearly 30 years ago. He said “Yes, absolutely, they won’t hesitate to do it.”

Rather than shooting Paul, a more sophisticated silent attack such as poisoning or the provocation of a heart attack via exotic electronic technology would be more likely, he said.

“That way the real killers are not required to put a ‘patsy’ in place, such as in the Kennedy assassination,” he continued. “And don’t count out a plane crash or a car wreck, which has been another method of choice in recent years.”

Paul himself has stated on previous occasions that he is aware of the dangers of being such a bold spokesman for freedom and understands what threat he represents to those who would stoop to anything to preserve their grip on America.

Paul acknowledged months before the Estulin report that such a threat is “real,” agreeing with a number of historical examples where leaders were killed or attacked for successfully standing up to the system.

“That’s right. They’ll do it,” Paul said, making reference to previous men of history such as Andrew Jackson, Huey Long, Bobby Kennedy and GeorgeWallace. The attack on Jackson, on the Capitol steps in 1835, was the only one of the four not to be a successful “removal” because his attacker’s weapon misfired. Both Long and Kennedy died and Wallace spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair.

Estulin, author of the global bestseller Club Bilderberg: The True Story of the Bilderberg Group, described the concept as a “trial balloon from the inner core within the inner core—it hasn’t gone beyond that but it is obviously on the table because I think that they are very much concerned.”

Estulin said his sources were from within the intelligence community and they were telling him that “the people of the highest levels of government—not related in any way, at least visibly, to George W. Bush—the first initial conversation of what might happen if we were to do this, has taken place.”

“The Ron Paul phenomenon has galvanized an entire nation,” said Estulin, adding that both the people who discovered the plot and its potential protagonists are terrified at the consequences of what such an action might be because of the difficulty in judging just how severely the general public will react.

Estulin said that the conspirators, which he described as a “small circle of intimates,” were discussing what the effect would be if Paul was “removed” —they are being very careful to use the word “remove” rather than more volatile terms. But Estulin was told directly that “remove” was a euphemism for assassinate.

James P. Tucker Jr., who has covered Bilderberg for more than 30 years for AFP, said he has been collaborating with Estulin for years. “We always pool the information we get out of Bilderberg, and Danny’s never been wrong,” he said.

Meanwhile Paul’s campaign raised more than $6 million on the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party.

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Hillary is such a phony ass bitch.
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The question seemed innocuous enough. "How," a woman asked Hillary Clinton at an event in Portsmouth, N.H., designed to woo undecided voters, "did you get out the door every day? I mean, as a woman, I know how hard it is to get out of the house and get ready. Who does your hair?" Clinton chuckled, made a few jokes about how she "has help" on certain days (but those are never the pictures you see on Web sites, she joked). Then she paused. Her eyes grew red. The coffee shop, packed with about 100 members of the media and 16 outnumbered voters, grew silent. "I just don't want to see us fall backward as a nation," Clinton began, her voice strained, her eyes welling. "I mean, this is very personal for me. Not just political. I see what's happening. We have to reverse it." She was talking about the country under George W. Bush, but it may well have been a metaphor for her campaign. Then came what may well be the only moment in this campaign when Hillary Clinton publicly displayed the vulnerability and frustration those around her have talked about in recent weeks, as her once formidable campaign struggles to regain the momentum lost to Barack Obama. "Some people think elections are a game: who's up or who's down," Clinton said, her voice breaking and tears welling. "It's about our country. It's about our kids' future. It's about all of us together. Some of us put ourselves out there and do this against some difficult odds."

As the 16 undecided voters—14 of them women—nodded sympathetically, some with their own eyes watering, Clinton went on. "We do it, each one of us, against difficult odds. We do it because we care about our country. Some of us are right, and some of us are not. Some of us are ready, and some of us are not." Although still emotional, Clinton was hitting the points in her post-Iowa stump speech. Obama's name was unspoken but obvious. "Some of us know what we will do on day one, and some of us haven't thought that through."

"This is one of the most important elections we'll ever face," Clinton continued after a long pause, her cracking voice barely audible at times over the clicking shutters. "So as tired as I am and as difficult as it is to keep up what I try to do on the road, like occasionally exercise, trying to eat right—it's tough when the easiest thing is pizza." There were a few sympathetic chuckles and nods from her female compatriots. At this point Clinton, struggling for composure, delivered what may become the sound bite of her campaign. "I just believe…" She had to pause again, then went on. "…so strongly in who we are as a nation. I'm going to do everything I can to make my case, and then the voters get to decide."

How will it play? No one will remember the hour of detailed policy talk that preceded Clinton's emotional moment. Even as she spoke, a local television reporter was broadcasting live that Clinton had started crying. Other reporters tried to correct him, even as he was still on the air. No, she didn't cry. But if the grim polls, which currently show Obama up by double digits heading into tomorrow's New Hampshire primary, are right, you know the pictures of a red-eyed Clinton will go up under the inevitable headline "Trail of Tears." There will no doubt be comparisons to the teary press conference former Colorado representative Pat Schroeder held to announce that she wouldn't run for president, thus confirming that anyone who needed to carry Kleenex in her purse was unfit for the highest office in the land.

It shouldn't be Clinton's Muskie moment. Photographers argue to this day whether the moisture on Ed Muskie's cheek during a passionate interview on the eve of the 1972 Democratic primary came from tears or snowflakes. But whichever it was, the moment sealed his fate as a man too emotional to be president. Hillary's teary moment may very well work in the opposite direction: helping a candidate who is seen as aloof and too tightly scripted appear more vulnerable, more human and more appealing. And those qualities could be big assets as the campaign careers out of New Hampshire, especially as a contrast to the angry scenes of Clinton rebutting Obama and John Edwards in Saturday night's debate.

Hours before New Hampshire voters go to the polls, Clinton has finally showed "the real Hillary," the one advisers always insisted was there, the one the campaign tried to sell in a clunky road show in Iowa, where longtime friends were rolled out to tell endearing stories, the one I witnessed on numerous trips abroad during Clinton's years as First Lady: an engaging, warm and witty woman, a first-class road-trip companion who seemed to spring to life as soon as her plane left U.S. airspace.

Since the rout in Iowa, Hillary has been waging an eat-your-peas campaign, warning that long after "beautiful words" have been spoken, the tough work of government remains—and that's best left in the hands of an old pro. Today's display of vulnerability hit the mark, at least among 16 voters crammed into a coffee shop in Portsmouth, N.H. "It got me," said Jane Harrington, a voter from Newington who came to the session trying to decide between Clinton and Obama, whom she had seen a day before—and really liked. "I wanted to see who the real Hillary was. That was real." The question now is how many others will feel the way Harrington did—and whether the emotional moment came too late.

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thats too long a read and I basically dont rightly care enough to make an attempt
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basically the bitch's eyes got red and teary at a campaign stop, alligator tears!
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shes probably sad she looks like an old dude and cant score with the young chicas.

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I so dont buy hillary's tears at all. If she was so warm hearted she wouldnt be attacking Obama so viciously


And I thought that there is a good chance that Ron Paul would have an assaination attempt on him, but I figured that would only happen if he won the republican nomination. But I guess even if he doesnt win the nomination, his message is still getting out there. But those elitists who want to control all of us dont understand. You can kill the man but not the cause. All of us who believe in Ron Paul's message will continue to carry on, others will come forth to take on his crusade, there are too many of us to stop. Hopefully Ron Paul has really good security protecting him.

And how does this guy get all this inside information anyway? And if he has been spilling it publicly how come they havent "removed" him?
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New Hampshire primaries today! May Obama crush Hillary! :rocks And hopefully Ron Paul makes a splash
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Did any of you watch the debates?
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No, I don't need to, I'm with Obama till the end! :rocks
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Give me a President who knows what they are doing. NO MORE BUSH!!!
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I dont have a tv dan but I saw bits of it on the internet. I shall try to find the entire things somewhere on this world wide web
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McCain grabs early lead in New Hampshire

By DAVID ESPO and PHILIP ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writers 6 minutes ago

CONCORD, N.H. - Sen. John McCain powered to a lead over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in New Hampshire's first-in-the-nation primary Tuesday night as he sought to climb back into the thick of the race for the Republican presidential nomination. Sen. Barack Obama dueled with Hillary Rodham Clinton in an unexpectedly close Democratic contest.
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The economy and the war in Iraq were the top issues in both party primaries, according to interviews with voters leaving their polling places after casting ballots in the most wide-open presidential race in at least a half-century.

The same surveys showed McCain building an advantage over Romney on the strength of independent voters, who helped the Arizona senator win the state primary eight years ago. About one-third of votes cast in the Republican race were from independents, and McCain was winning them. He and Romney were running roughly evenly among Republicans.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — Republican Sen. John McCain grabbed an early lead over former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in New Hampshire's first-in-the-nation primary Tuesday night as he sought to climb back into contention for the presidential nomination. Sen. Barack Obama dueled with Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic contest.

The economy and the war in Iraq were the top issues in both party primaries, according to interviews with voters leaving their polling places after casting ballots in the most wide-open presidential race in at least a half-century.

The first fragmentary returns showed McCain with an advantage over Romney in a race neither man could afford to lose. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who won last week's Iowa caucuses, was running third.

Obama vied with Clinton on the Democratic side, with former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards trailing.

Even before the votes were counted, Clinton's campaign appeared to be bracing for a second straight defeat at the hands of Obama.

Officials said her aides were considering whether to effectively concede the next two contests — caucuses in Nevada on Jan. 19 and a South Carolina primary a week later — and instead try to regroup in time for a 22-state round of contests on Feb. 5.

These officials also said a campaign shake-up was in the works, with longtime Clinton confidante Maggie Williams poised to come aboard to help sharpen the former first lady's message. Other personnel additions are expected, according to these officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity while discussing strategy.

Obama, who won the leadoff Iowa caucuses last week, looked for an endorsement from the powerful Culinary Workers union in Nevada in the days ahead. South Carolina's Democratic electorate is heavily black and likely to go for the most viable black presidential candidate in history.

The Republican race turns next to Michigan, where McCain and Romney already are advertising on television, and where both men planned appearances on Wednesday.

By custom, the first handful of New Hampshire votes was cast, at midnight, in Dixville Notch in the far northern tip of the state.

By tradition, the first primary held the power to propel winners into the rush of primaries that follow — and to send the also-rans home for good.

And by registration, New Hampshire's balance of power rested with its independent voters, more than 40 percent of the electorate, neither reliably Democratic nor Republican, with the power to settle either race, or both.

McCain, an Arizona senator, in particular, appealed for their support in the run-up to the primary. He battled Romney, the former governor of next-door Massachusetts, and to a lesser extent Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor who won last week's Iowa caucuses.

According to preliminary results of a survey of voters as they left their polling places, more independents cast ballots in the Democratic race than in the Republican contest. They accounted for four of every 10 Democratic votes and about a third of Republican ballots. The survey was conducted for The Associated Press and the television networks.

"It has all the earmarks of a landslide with the Dixville Notch vote," an upbeat McCain quipped — he got four votes there to Romney's two and one for former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani — as his campaign bus headed to a polling place in Nashua. The crowd of supporters was so big, that voters complained and a poll worker pleaded with McCain to leave. Seconds later, the bus pulled away.

Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, Texas Rep. Ron Paul and California Rep. Duncan Hunter completed the Republican field.

Obama, too, hoped independent voters would come his way, as they did last week in Iowa, where he won the first test of the campaign. Clinton, the New York senator and former first lady, ran third in Iowa. Former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina was second.

Obama drew huge crowds as he swept into New Hampshire, and as the front-runner drew plenty of criticism from Clinton and her husband. Asked if he expected more, Obama said, "Oh, I don't think it will be just in the next few days. I think it'll be, you know, until I'm the nominee or until I quit." He said he understood their frustration.

Clinton, for her part, retooled her appeal to voters on the run. She lessened her emphasis on experience, and sought instead to raise questions about Obama's ability to bring about the change he promised.

Win or lose, she said she was in the race to stay — never mind Edwards' suggestion that the voters of Iowa had told her that her presence was no longer needed.

There was no letup in the television ad wars.

TNS Media Intelligence, a firm that tracks political advertising, said Clinton spent $5.4 million to reach New Hampshire voters, and Obama spent $5 million. The total for Edwards was $1.7 million, reflecting a smaller campaign treasury. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, fourth candidate in the race, could afford about $500,000.

As happened in Iowa, Romney spent more than his rivals combined on television for the New Hampshire primary.

After losing Iowa, he could ill afford another defeat after basing his campaign strategy on victories in one or both states. Reflecting the stakes, he clashed in weekend debates with Huckabee over the Iraq war and with McCain over immigration as he tried to right his campaign.

On Tuesday, Romney put a positive face forward. "The Republicans will vote for me," he said. "The independents will get behind me."

McCain, too, was in need of a victory. Once the perceived front-runner, he suffered through a near-death political experience last year when his fundraising and support collapsed. He rallied, and by the final days of the New Hampshire race, held a celebration of sorts to mark his 100th town hall meeting in the state he won eight years ago.
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