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The US 2008 Presidential Race; Obama v McCain-Let's Get Ready to Rumble
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Julesy Apr 4 2008, 10:39 PM Post #541
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[size=14] OBAMA IS A LONG LEGGED MACK DADDY![/size]

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Julesy Apr 9 2008, 06:14 PM Post #542
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10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably
don't):



1. John McCain voted against establishing a national
holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position
has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish
than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan
says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."2

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture,
but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded
President Bush for vetoing that ban.3


4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I
do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4


5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst
senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health
care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.5


6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled
with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at
least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is
for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their
vacations.6

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's
too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The
thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's
erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7


8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests,
but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The
government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists
raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential
candidates.8

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme
religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual
guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy
Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political
support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane
Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic
Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9


10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he
scored a 0-yes, zero-from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10




fuck him and his dictating what I do with my loins.
If a man could get pregnant Roe vs. Wade wouldnt have even come into existence.

abortions would be legal and plenty.
no kidding
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Denovissimus Apr 9 2008, 06:28 PM Post #543
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Obama will wipe the floor with him! :rocks
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la anaconda de chocolatee Apr 9 2008, 08:15 PM Post #544
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obama better wipe the floor with him! Jeez the man is 10 times more of an asshole than I thought he was!



His reputation is built on his opposition to torture,
but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded
President Bush for vetoing that ban



What? Are you fucking kidding me? This man is insane. Does anyone know exactly what waterboarding is?
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Julesy Apr 9 2008, 08:20 PM Post #545
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I posted about waterboarding in the spam thread not long ago.

Hes a crazy tortured vet.
I dont want a crazy in office. we had that for 2 terms already!

Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing a person on their back with the head inclined downward (the Trendelenburg position), and pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages.[1] Through forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences the process of drowning and is made to believe that death is imminent.[2] In contrast to merely submerging the head face-forward, waterboarding almost immediately elicits the gag reflex.[3] Although waterboarding does not always cause lasting physical damage, it carries the risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries (including broken bones) due to struggling against restraints, and even death.[4] The psychological effects on victims of waterboarding can last for years after the procedure.[5]

Waterboarding was used for interrogation at least as early as the Spanish Inquisition to obtain information,[6] coerce confessions, punish, and intimidate. It is considered to be torture by a wide range of authorities, including legal experts,[4][7] politicians, war veterans,[8][9] intelligence officials,[10] military judges,[11] and human rights organizations.[12][13] Despite its long use as a technique, the first use of the actual term "waterboarding" occurred in the May 13, 2004, New York Times. In 2007 waterboarding led to a political scandal in the United States when the press reported that the CIA had waterboarded extrajudicial prisoners and that the Justice Department had authorized this procedure.[14][15] The CIA has admitted waterboarding Al-Qaida suspects Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.[16]

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thats fucked up. So a man who was a prisoner of war and was tortured himself approves of the use of some torture techniques.
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Noname Apr 10 2008, 11:20 PM Post #547
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Obama, please win!

I refuse to follow a man who says yes we should toture people!

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Damn it they are going to debate tonight and I'm going to miss it!
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Voting in Pennsylvania today!

Obama team power, activate! :rocks

And Michele will be throwing her vote away with Ron Paul!
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la anaconda de chocolatee Apr 22 2008, 12:46 PM Post #550
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there are actually Ron Paul signs EVERYWHERE. There are more Ron Paul signs all over than there are Hillary or Obama, a lot more actually.

Hillary is predicted to win PA, but not by much. She has been consistently leading in the polls, but only by 5% so even if she wins, it probably wont be by enough to clinch the democratic ticket.
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Why Clinton needs to win big in Pennsylvania

By LInda Feldmann Tue Apr 22, 4:00 AM ET

UPPER ST. CLAIR, PA. - Once again, it's do-or- die time for Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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The New York senator, trailing her rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama, by most measures, has to win the Pennsylvania primary on Tuesday – and she has to win convincingly in order to narrow the deficit and appear competitive in the remaining handful of contests, analysts say.

The latest major polls show her winning the Keystone State by an average of five points. That would not be enough to make substantial headway in either her convention delegate count or the popular vote. But Clinton campaign aides have made clear that a win is a win and that they plan to spin even a narrow victory into a major loss for Senator Obama.

"If Obama fails to win Pennsylvania, it will be another sign that he is unable to win in the large states that a candidate for president on the Democratic ticket needs to win," Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson told reporters in a conference call last week.

If Clinton wins Pennsylvania by 10 points or more, that would give Obama a jolt – but she would still face a steep climb in the remaining contests to capture the nomination. Her only hope is to get close in either the delegate count or the popular vote and then persuade enough of the superdelegates – the party officials and leaders who are free to back whomever they want – that she would be the stronger nominee against Republican Sen. John McCain in November.

Obama leads in the Associated Press's overall delegate count 1,647 to 1,508, including the latest superdelegate to declare for Obama, Enid Goubeaux, a Democratic National Committee member from Ohio. A candidate needs 2,025 delegates to clinch the nomination. Obama leads in the popular vote by more than 700,000 votes.

Forecasting the Pennsylvania Democratic vote – the largest state left in primary season – isn't easy. In some ways, Pennsylvania is like Ohio, with its large working-class population, lots of older voters, and big Roman Catholic population. Those demographics tilt toward Clinton. Since she won Ohio by 10 points, some analysts say that's her benchmark for Pennsylvania.

Independent pollster John Zogby sees the numbers breaking for Clinton in the final days. In his Sunday survey, the undecideds dropped from 8 percent to 5 percent, and most went for Clinton.

But, he and others warn, Pennsylvania is also different from Ohio. Job growth in Pennsylvania, 3 percent since 2003, far outpaces Ohio's 0.5 percent. Pittsburgh, the old steel city, has reinvented itself into a high-tech mecca.

Still, it's not hard to find older, working-class Pennsylvanians who feel left behind, and they are Clinton's base. The latest Franklin and Marshall College poll shows Clinton with a 20-point lead (53 percent to 33 percent) in Allegheny County, which includes Pittsburgh.

"It's turning into an East-West battle," says Terry Madonna, the poll's director. "She's winning the West; he's winning the East."

It's also a battle of geography versus demographics, he says. The same demographics Obama won in the earlier states – younger voters, the more affluent, and African-Americans – he's still winning, and even to a greater degree. Clinton is also building her lead among Catholics and lower-income voters.

The three main battleground areas of Pennsylvania are the Philadelphia suburbs, the Lehigh Valley, and south-central Pennsylvania, around Lancaster.

"It's a chess game; you can play it a number of ways," says Mr. Madonna.

One plus for Obama is the surge of new voters that have registered in Pennsylvania, 270,000 of them since November. Of those, 230,000 are Democrats, or 7 percent of the state party's rolls. In Madonna's latest poll, he found that 52 percent of them are backing Obama. Since Pennsylvania's primary is closed, only registered Democrats may participate, making the state a test of strength among core Democrats.

The run-up to the Pennsylvania primary has been long and hard-fought. It has been six weeks since the last primary – Mississippi (which Obama won, as expected) – and seven weeks since the pitched battle for Ohio and Texas ended. Clinton's popular vote victories in both of those big states saved her campaign from extinction and gave her a burst of momentum going into Pennsylvania.

The next contests, North Carolina and Indiana, could also present Clinton with a must-win scenario. If she wins Pennsylvania, as expected, she then must do well in Indiana, where polls are close, as Obama is expected to win North Carolina handily. The longer this race marches along toward the end of primary season with neither candidate reaching the magic number, and with the candidates trading victories, the greater the chance that Clinton stays in until the final contests in June.

BUT FOR Pennsylvanians, the opportunity to play a role in the Democratic nomination has been a rare and for the most part welcome turn. The last time Pennsylvania mattered was in 1980, when Sen. Edward Kennedy (D) of Massachusetts won Pennsylvania by a hair, and took his nomination fight against President Carter all the way to the convention.

This time around, as in all the other hotly contested primary and caucus states, some voters in Pennsylvania are by now fed up with the robo-calls, TV and radio ads, and door-knockers. Others say they just wish the ads were more informative and less attack-oriented.

Last weekend, Lori Felton-O'Brien, a graduate student at Bryn Mawr College near Philadelphia, decided it was time to choose, so she went to both candidates' websites and discovered that they had basically the same positions.

"It really comes down to who's the more charismatic candidate," says Ms. Felton-O'Brien, who is originally from the blue-collar town of Somerset, Pa. She settled on Obama.







Surprisingly the black male mayor of Philadelphia is supporting Hillary. Well I mean he doesnt have to support Obama just cause he is black, but I dont know it just still surprises me.
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Since Pennsylvania's primary is closed, only registered Democrats may participate, making the state a test of strength among core Democrats.



this is the second article I have seen that says this when it is completely NOT true! I am able to vote for Ron Paul today, if I werent there wouldnt be his signs all over the place and I wouldnt be getting flyers in the mail and phone calls telling me to vote for his delegates as well.
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Well Michele? Did you get to vote?
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yes I voted! I voted for liberty and the constitution and for the USA the founding fathers always wanted! :rocks
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In other words nothing cause the Bush Administration stripped that all away!
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That fucking cunt won PA! :jesse
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She did? But by how much, that is what is important.
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You may as well have sucked her clit with your vote!


:ha
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those fucking rednecks who live in the western part of the state! They are the ones who gave hillary the victory! :jesse cause they would never vote for a black man!


I swear PA is like two different states. The east and the west are totally fucking different, like night and day.
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Clinton defeats Obama in Pennsylvania primary

By DAVID ESPO and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers 8 minutes ago

PHILADELPHIA - Hillary Rodham Clinton won the Pennsylvania primary Tuesday night, defeating Barack Obama and staving off elimination in their riveting race for the Democratic presidential nomination.
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The former first lady was winning 53 percent of the vote to 47 percent for her rival with 19 percent of the vote counted, and she hoped for significant inroads into Obama's overall lead in the competition for delegates to the Democratic National Convention.

Clinton scored her victory by winning the votes of blue-collar workers, women and white men in an election where the economy was the dominant concern. More than 80 percent of voters surveyed as they left their polling places said the nation was already in a recession.

Clinton won despite being outspent heavily by her rival in a six-week campaign that allowed time for intense courtship of the voters.

She showed her blue collar bona fides one night by knocking down a shot of whiskey, then taking a mug of beer as a chaser. Obama went bowling in his attempt to win over working-class voters.

The win gave Clinton a strong record in the big states as she attempts to persuade convention superdelegates to look past Obama's delegate advantage and his lead in the popular vote in picking a nominee. She had previously won primaries in Texas, California, Ohio and her home state of New York, while Obama won his home state of Illinois.

At the same time, even some of her aides conceded she is facing another likely must-win challenge in Indiana in two weeks time, particularly with Obama favored to carry North Carolina on the same day.

Clinton gained at least 28 delegates in Pennsylvania, with 130 still to be awarded.

That left Obama with an overall lead of 1648.5 to 1537.5, totals that include so-called superdelegates who are not picked in primaries and caucuses.

Clinton projected confidence to the end of the Pennsylvania campaign, scheduling an election-night rally in Philadelphia. Obama signaled in advance he expected to lose, flying off to Indiana for an evening appearance even before the polls closed.

Flush with cash, Obama reported spending $11.2 million on television in the state, more than any place else. That compared with $4.8 million for Clinton.

The tone of the campaign was increasingly personal — to the delight of Republicans and John McCain, the GOP presidential nominee-in-waiting gaining in the polls while the Democrats battle in primaries deep into the spring.

"In the last 10 years Barack Obama has taken almost $2 million from lobbyists, corporations and PACs. The head of his New Hampshire campaign is a drug company lobbyist, in Indiana an energy lobbyist, a casino lobbyist in Nevada," said a Clinton commercial that aired in the final days of the race.

Obama responded with an ad that accused Clinton of "eleventh-hour smears paid for by lobbyist money." It said that unlike his rival, he "doesn't take money from special interest PACs or Washington lobbyists — not one dime."

Also to the delight of Republicans, the six-week layoff between primaries produced a string of troubles for the Democrats.

Obama was forced onto the defensive by incendiary comments by his pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, then triggered controversy on his own by saying small-town Americans cling to guns and religion because of their economic hardships.

Clinton conceded that she had not landed under sniper fire in Bosnia while first lady, even though she said several times that she had. And she replaced her chief strategist, Mark Penn, after he met with officials of the Colombian government seeking passage of a free trade agreement that she opposes.

The remaining Democratic contests are primaries in North Carolina, Indiana, Oregon, Kentucky, West Virginia, Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico, and caucuses in Guam



Guam? Since when is Guam part of the United States?
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