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The US 2008 Presidential Race; Obama v McCain-Let's Get Ready to Rumble
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Taman Feb 22 2008, 06:26 PM Post #461
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SOCIALIZED MEDICINE


It's a system of medical care that is publicly financed. It's what we have, for the most part, in Finland and Uk for example.
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I've kept out of this thread, I don't claim to know about US politics!


Obama always looks so damn smug!


nteresting fact: Obama and McCain are both left handed!


That is my contribution to the debate! :ha
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la anaconda de chocolatee Feb 22 2008, 07:31 PM Post #463
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:ha


Obama has fug lips and mouth. Ewwww
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Julesy Feb 22 2008, 10:11 PM Post #464
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Sinister means left handed in Latin :shock

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Obama has fug lips and mouth. Ewwww

they remind me of dog lips/mouth whatever you call a dogs lips
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Julesy Feb 25 2008, 12:29 AM Post #465
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[size=14] IM SCARED OF SOCIALIZED MEDICINE!!!!!!!![/size]
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Use of Private Care Tests British Health System
I didn't see this posted, and I'd like to see everyone's thoughts/reactions to this. This really is why I'm against health care that's completely socialized...newsflash, Britain's health care isn't so great, either. Here's the article.


LONDON — Created 60 years ago as a cornerstone of the British welfare state, the National Health Service is devoted to the principle of free medical care for everyone. But recently it has been wrestling with a problem its founders never anticipated: how to handle patients with complex illnesses who want to pay for parts of their treatment while receiving the rest free from the health service.

Although the government is reluctant to discuss the issue, hopscotching back and forth between private and public care has long been standard here for those who can afford it. But a few recent cases have exposed fundamental contradictions between policy and practice in the system, and tested its founding philosophy to its very limits.

One such case was Debbie Hirst’s. Her breast cancer had metastasized, and the health service would not provide her with Avastin, a drug that is widely used in the United States and Europe to keep such cancers at bay. So, with her oncologist’s support, she decided last year to try to pay the $120,000 cost herself, while continuing with the rest of her publicly financed treatment.

By December, she had raised $20,000 and was preparing to sell her house to raise more. But then the government, which had tacitly allowed such arrangements before, put its foot down. Mrs. Hirst heard the news from her doctor.

“He looked at me and said: ‘I’m so sorry, Debbie. I’ve had my wrists slapped from the people upstairs, and I can no longer offer you that service,’ ” Mrs. Hirst said in an interview.

“I said, ‘Where does that leave me?’ He said, ‘If you pay for Avastin, you’ll have to pay for everything’ ” — in other words, for all her cancer treatment, far more than she could afford.

Officials said that allowing Mrs. Hirst and others like her to pay for extra drugs to supplement government care would violate the philosophy of the health service by giving richer patients an unfair advantage over poorer ones. (Bull fucking shit. Republican I am not, but I do believe that people who worked hard to earn/raise money deserve to reap the benefits, too. Catering to the poor is just as dangerous as catering to the wealthy. She was going to sell her HOUSE - it's not like she had millions to spare!)

Patients “cannot, in one episode of treatment, be treated on the N.H.S. and then allowed, as part of the same episode and the same treatment, to pay money for more drugs,” the health secretary, Alan Johnson, told Parliament.

“That way lies the end of the founding principles of the N.H.S.,” Mr. Johnson said.

But Mrs. Hirst, 57, whose cancer was diagnosed in 1999, went to the news media, and so did other patients in similar situations. And it became clear that theirs were not isolated cases.

In fact, patients, doctors and officials across the health care system widely acknowledge that patients suffering from every imaginable complaint regularly pay for some parts of their treatment while receiving the rest free.

“Of course it’s going on in the N.H.S. all the time, but a lot of it is hidden — it’s not explicit,” said Dr. Paul Charlson, a general practitioner in Yorkshire and a member of Doctors for Reform, a group that is highly critical of the health service. Last year, he was a co-author of a paper laying out examples of how patients with the initiative and the money dip in and out of the system, in effect buying upgrades to their basic free medical care.

“People swap from public to private sector all the time, and they’re topping up for virtually everything,” Dr. Charlson said in an interview. For instance, he said, a patient put on a five-month waiting list to see an orthopedic surgeon may pay $250 for a private consultation, and then switch back to the health service for the actual operation from the same doctor.

“Or they’ll buy an M.R.I. scan because the wait is so long, and then take the results back to the N.H.S.,” Dr. Charlson said.

In his paper, he also wrote about a 46-year-old woman with breast cancer who paid $250 for a second opinion when the health service refused to provide her with one; an elderly man who spent thousands of dollars on a new hearing aid instead of enduring a yearlong wait on the health service; and a 29-year-old woman who, with her doctor’s blessing, bought a three-month supply of Tarceva, a drug to treat pancreatic cancer, for more than $6,000 on the Internet because she could not get it through the N.H.S.

Asked why these were different from cases like Mrs. Hirst’s, a spokeswoman for the health service said no officials were available to comment.

In any case, the rules about private co-payments, as they are called, in cancer care are contradictory and hard to understand, said Nigel Edwards, the director of policy for the N.H.S. Confederation, which represents hospitals and other health care providers. “I’ve had conflicting advice from different lawyers,” he said, “but it does seem like a violation of natural justice to say that either you don’t get the drug you want, or you have to pay for all your treatment.”

Karol Sikora, a professor of cancer medicine at the Imperial College School of Medicine and one of Dr. Charlson’s co-authors, said that co-payments were particularly prevalent in cancer care. Armed with information from the Internet and patients’ networks, cancer patients are increasingly likely to demand, and pay for, cutting-edge drugs that the health service considers too expensive to be cost-effective.

“You have a population that is informed and consumerist about how it behaves about health care information, and an N.H.S. that can no longer afford to pay for everything for everybody,” he said.

Professor Sikora said oncologists were adept at circumventing the system by, for example, referring patients to other doctors who can provide the private medication separately. As wrenching as it can be to administer more sophisticated drugs to some patients than to others, he said, “if you’re a doctor working in the system, you should let your patients have the treatment they want, if they can afford to pay for it.”

In any case, he said, the health service is riddled with inequities. Some drugs are available in some parts of the country but not in others. Waiting lists for treatment vary wildly from place to place. Some regions spend $280 per capita on cancer care, Professor Sikora said, while others spend just $90.

In Mrs. Hirst’s case, the confusion was compounded by the fact that three other patients at her hospital were already doing what she had been forbidden to do — buying extra drugs to supplement their cancer care. The arrangements had “evolved without anyone questioning whether it was right or wrong,” said Laura Mason, a hospital spokeswoman. Because their treatment began before the Health Department explicitly condemned the practice, they have been allowed to continue.

The rules are confusing. “It’s quite a fine line,” Ms. Mason said. “You can’t have a course of N.H.S. and private treatment at the same time on the same appointment — for instance, if a particular drug has to be administered alongside another drug which is N.H.S.-funded.” But, she said, the health service rules seem to allow patients to receive the drugs during separate hospital visits — the N.H.S. drugs during an N.H.S. appointment, the extra drugs during a private appointment.

One of Mrs. Hirst’s troubles came, it seems, because the Avastin she proposed to pay for would have had to be administered at the same time as the drug Taxol, which she was receiving free on the health service. Because of that, she could not schedule separate appointments.

But in a final irony, Mrs. Hirst was told early this month that her cancer had spread and that her condition had deteriorated so much that she could have the Avastin after all — paid for by the health service. In other words, a system that forbade her to buy the medicine earlier was now saying that she was so sick she could have it at public expense.

Mrs. Hirst is pleased, but up to a point. Avastin is not a cure, but a way to extend her life, perhaps only by several months, and she has missed valuable time. “It may be too bloody late,” she said.

“I’m a person who left school at 15 and I’ve worked all my life and I’ve paid into the system, and I’m not going to live long enough to get my old-age pension from this government,” she added.

She also knows that the drug can have grave side effects. “I have campaigned for this drug, and if it goes wrong and kills me, c’est la vie,” she said. But, she said, speaking of the government, “If the drug doesn’t have a fair chance because the cancer has advanced so much, then they should be raked over the coals for it.”
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Ralph Nader is entering the race as an independent. What's that sound you wonder? The sound of no one giving a fuck.
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he didnt get anywhere the last like 3 times! If it is Hillary who get the nom then I may vote for Nader.
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[size=14] BARACK OBAMA INS COCAINE GAY SEX ACTS SCHOCKER[/size]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...ew&pageId=56626

eww the guy is fugly.
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LIES! I've heard this one before.
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thatd be funny if it was true.
a gayish black druggie as president.

:toot
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Larry Sinclair was the guy that took to YouTube and claimed he gave Barack Obama a blowjob in 1999. He also claimed he did drugs with Obama in his limousine after the two met at an upscale lounge in Chicago. Larry agreed to take a polygraph for WhiteHouse.com (not affiliated with the government.) WhiteHouse.com reports that deception was found in both tests.

They wrote: "Dr. Ed Gelb, Former President of the American Polygraph Association was the Polygraph expert selected by Whitehouse.com. He has done over 30,000 polygraph examinations over his long career. There were two polygraph tests administered by Dr. Gelb on Friday. the first polygraph asked Mr. Sinclair on his sex claims. The second polygraph test asked Mr. Sinclair on the drug use claims. There was deception indicated in both tests."

WhiteHouse.com paid Larry $10,000 just for taking the test. They promised him $100,000 if he passed the test. Larry later agreed to a different payout. He just wanted his mother's bills paid off and $10,000 going to charity. Larry didn't pass the test, so he only got the 10 grand.
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what a loser! I would love to get paid 10 grand though right now for taking a polygraph.
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aww man!
i wanted it to be true :ha
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I should do the media circuit and say I licked Hillaries cooter and we drank booze from a bootlegger so I can get paid to take a polygraph
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February 26, 2008


What thrilling rallies we've just had in Texas. First there were the
Students for Ron Paul at the University of Texas in Austin. The media
said 4,000 came. Our people think there were more like 7,000. In
any event, it was a very enthusiastic gathering of our revolutionaries,
as even the media admitted.

You will not be surprised to know that the young people there cheered
the pure message of liberty: no preemptive wars, no Federal Reserve,
no income tax, no police state, no drug war. Just American liberty and
the Constitution, in the tradition of the framers.

But the rally in Kileen, though much smaller, may have been just as
significant. Kileen is near Fort Hood, and among the 300 people who
attended were many active-duty soldiers (though not in uniform) and their
families. Whether it was the young man going back to Iraq for his
fourth tour, or the sister of a soldier just killed there, they all wanted
change in our foreign policy. Most heartbreaking was the young mother
who asked for a signed copy of the Constitution for her son, "who will
never know his dad." He too was just killed in Iraq.

How can we ask one young American to die for a neocon empire? The
soldiers and their families agree with us, which is why our campaign gets
more financial support from active-duty and retired military than all
the rest combined. They want to defend America, not be part of some
globalist scheme to take away our country's independence. And by the
way ,at both rallies, nobody was for the monstrous Trans-Texas Corridor
or the North American Union.

Coming up soon are the Texas and Ohio primaries, with others like
Pennsylvania not long afterwards. We are contesting every one, and we will
be heard at the Republican national convention in Minneapolis and
beyond. A substantial minority of Americans in all parties, not to speak
of Independents, agree with you and me. Until November and beyond, I
want to work to turn that minority into a majority, with your help.
https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/

Sincerely,

Ron




Jesse have you ever heard of the Trans Texas Corridor? What is that?

I just sent out my voter registration this morning. I changed temporarily to republican so that I can vote for this man who is a hero to us all :rocks
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The Trans Texan Corridor, I believe, refers to the superhighway that supposed to be planned to run through the country from Mexico through Texas on up to Canada and is tied directly to the proposed North American Union.

Gonna watch the Obama/Clinton debate tonight.
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It was a good debate but I know even the moderators wanted Hillary Clinton to Shut The Fuck Up! The bitch wouldn't let topics go! At one point the moderator had to tell her that the tv would not wait for her! They had to break for a commercial!

And while Obama was respectful in his answers, even when disagreeing and pointing out what he felt were inaccuracies that Hillary made, that bitch was the one who would try to make cheap little comments, Obama would not stoop to her level!

But very good answers from both.
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that is because that bitch is so desperate! And she is making it blatently obvious that she is!!!! Dumb cunt


Good for Obama! Glad he didnt stoop to her pathetic level.
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this is an AMAZING Ron Paul video, and even better cause it is set to an Evanescence song!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6SODAhbJdE
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Keeping the Internet Free (2/28/08)

Today’s Seattle Times observes the support that Dr. Paul has from tech companies:

"U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, has proved his popularity in the tech world, far outpacing Sen. John McCain in support from donors. Paul received twice as much money from Microsoft employees as McCain did, and five times as much as McCain from Google employees."

According to the Center for Responsive Politics, employees of Google and Microsoft are number three and four in a list of top contributors to the campaign. (First and second on that list are the Army and Navy respectively.)

Congressman Paul has repeatedly said that he doesn’t want to tax or regulate the internet, and internet innovators - who have thrived from the freedom of the internet - support candidates who understand that freedom is key to the success of the e-Economy.
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