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| The US 2008 Presidential Race; Obama v McCain-Let's Get Ready to Rumble | |
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| la anaconda de chocolatee | Jan 30 2008, 05:05 AM Post #301 |
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oh you got that terminology from your man? I thought you were the genius behind it! Well you and your man have certainly rubbed off on the rest of us here! |
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| Denovissimus | Jan 30 2008, 02:21 PM Post #302 |
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Breaking news: John Edwards is dropping out, not sure if he is endorsing anyone. And a big fat to Guiliani! He's expected to drop out as well. Talk about a failure of a campaign, ignoring the early primaries to concentrate on one state. You lose momentum like that fool! Like how McCain has built himself up when all indications were he had no chance when this began and now he's the frontrunner!
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| la anaconda de chocolatee | Jan 30 2008, 02:27 PM Post #303 |
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ah, no Edwards should stay in till Super Tuesday and see how that goes! 22 states he has a good chance of winning at least a few! Yeah Guiliani is a fucking idiot!!! And he didnt even come close to winning Florida! Fucking fool! Why in the world would he think that Florida would do it for him? Even if he won Florida it still is one state, a state which is not allowed to have any delegates as of yet because they moved their primary up, what a douche bag! And just 6 months ago it seemed like he was gonna be the front runner. Thank god he is a lame ass who doesnt know how to campaign!Ron Paul is not dropping out even though he has not won a state yet, and the donations are still pouring in for him he is definately going to Super Tuesday. If he doesnt win anything at all on Super Tuesday then I imagine he would drop out then, hopefully he wins at least a few states because the longer he stays in the race, the better. Even if he has very little chance, the longer he stays in, the more people find out about him, the more people get a hold of his message and what he is all about, the more chance there is for a change in this country, even if we have to wait another 4 years for it. The Ron Paul Revolution must continue to grow momentum and strength, even if the man himself does not make it to the white house
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| Denovissimus | Jan 30 2008, 02:41 PM Post #304 |
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I've begun hearing Ron Paul advertisements on the radio here. |
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| Denovissimus | Jan 31 2008, 09:50 PM Post #305 |
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I thought this was a good article: McCain vs. Clinton? ALEXANDER COCKBURN and JEFFREY ST. CLAIR Counterpunch Wednesday January 30, 2008 Before his handlers told the press Bill Clinton wouldn't be taking any more questions, the former president gave it as his considered opinion that his wife and John McCain are a lot alike, and that assuming the two become their parties' nominees, the fall campaign would be "the most cordial in history." Setting aside such well-known traits as ill-temper towards subordinates, what Mrs Clinton and McCain certainly do have in common is a readiness to hang their own party out to dry when it's a matter of personal advancement. McCain has steadily amassed political capital by promoting himself as the Republicans' maverick, on campaign reform, pork barreling, immigration. He lashes the Christian right. He voted against the Bush tax cuts and denounced Don Rumsfeld early on for his management of the war. Hillary's been a career triangulator and indeed introduced her husband to the dark art, by recruiting Jesse Helms' pollster, Dickie Morris, when Bill was trying to come back from defeat after one term as the governor of Arkansas. It was Hillary who told Bill firmly in the summer of 1996 that he should sign the Republicans' bill destroying welfare. The chilling aspect to this counsel was that it came at a moment when it was clear Bill was going to hammer Bob Dole in the presidential contest. Hillary's view was that it would be better for them to be seen as running athwart the old liberal lions, like Ted Kennedy who waited twelve long years for his revenge, in the form of his endorsement on Monday of Obama. McCAin's victory in Florida on Tuesday is a measure of the terrible shape the Republican Party now finds itself in. They now have a front-runner that no faction in the party really likes. He's old, short, bald, with a history of serious skin cancer and a record of psychological instability. He is favor of a war deeply disliked by about 70 per cent of all Americans and has publicly proclaimed that the U.S. may well be in Iraq for a hundred years. With the country is poised on the lip of recession he calls for budget cuts. In Michigan he told distraught auto workers, --many of them "Reagan Democrats", that their jobs were never coming back. In Florida he said he didn't know much about economics but that Social Security would have to be fixed --i.e. privatized. Over half the people voting in Florida's Republican primary were over 60 and the Arizona senator's blithe endorsement of privatization would have scarcely been encouraging as they read the slumping bottom lines on their private 401K retirement accounts. Small wonder the Clintons are licking their lips at the likelihood, deemed inconceivable only a few short weeks ago, that McCain will be the Republican nominee in the fall. The Republican right may well be making the calculation that it would no bad thing to have Hillary Clinton in the White House for four years, encumbered with the mess in Iraq and an economy in recession. Just as she did in Michigan Hillary flouted a pledge to shun Florida's Democratic primary and then went on the networks to tout a glorious victory. Obama was nowhere to be seen, showing once again that he's no rough and tumble campaigner, preferring to maintain a lofty posture at all times, reminiscent of Gene McCarthy trying to vie with Bobby Kennedy back in 1968. (Whereas Ted and Caroline came out for Obama, Bobby's children have endorsed Hillary.) Looking at Super Tuesday, on February 5, it's hard to see how Obama can overcome the Clintons' back-alley political methods and their institutional advantage in holding the party levers. The day of the Florida primary Hillary won the endorsement of the black Los Angeles congresswoman Maxine Waters, to whom the Clintons should be anathema on drug policy, on mandatory sentencing, on welfare. Obama also faces formidable obstacles in trying to win over Hispanic voters, whose loyalty to Hillary certainly cost him the Nevada caucuses. As Sergio Bendixen, a pollster working for Hillary, put it in the New Yorker, "The Hispanic voters - and I want to say this very carefully --have not shown a lot of willingness or affinity to support black candidates." So much for the Rainbow Coalition. There is a way Obama could make an impact on these millions of Hispanics he has thus far failed to set on fire. It would ratchet up the animus between the Obama and Clinton campaigns, but he needs to do this. Across the next crucial days he could declare bluntly that while Mrs Clinton may profess profound sympathy for the concerns of Hispanics, the substantive record of the Clinton presidency was terrible. The Free Trade bill ratified by Bill Clinton in 1994 sent hundreds of thousands of Mexicans north across the border out of Mexico's reeling economy, there to be met by criminal sanctions - aimed at the poor generally - harsher on Clinton's watch than on Bush's. It was Senator Obama, not Senator Clinton, who was a co-sponsor of the Immigrant Reform Bill, a major issue of 2007 for the Latino population. To stay in the game with the Clintons Obama has to play it rougher. He has very little time to escape from the box into which Hillary and Bill have been trying to trap him as the black candidate Hispanics should not trust. The campaign does offer some pleasures. There was the rout of the Clintons in South Carolina and now the humiliation of Rudy Giuliani in Florida. He spent $60 million and, in the entire campaign until his withdrawal, won precisely one delegate. In September he had a favorability rating of 55 per cent. In January it was down to 20 per cent. People just couldn't stand him. It's really too bad one can't throw Ron Paul and Mike Huckabeee into some kind of blender. Huckabee has a great sense of humor, and has been the only candidate to evince a spontaneous sense of class politics. In Florida he denounced the stimulus package as a trickle-down tactic that wouldn't any kind of long-term solution for people in need. He called for a huge public works program, adding a couple of lanes to 1nterstate 95. It's true he wants to substitute the Ten Commandment for the Bill of Rights, but the US Supreme Court would no doubt stop him in his tracks. Among both Republicans and Democrats Ron Paul is the only one who talks with any passion about defending the Constitution and ending the war. It's true he should have been more vocal, denouncing those racist newsletters that went out over his letterhead, but one the other hand there's his forthright statement to Wolf Blitzer on CNN on January 10: I attack two wars that blacks are suffering from. One, the war overseas. In all wars minorities suffer the most. So they join me in this position I have against the war in Iraq. And what about the war on drugs? What other candidate will stand up and say I will pardon all blacks, all whites, everybody who were convicted for non-violent drug acts and drug crimes. And this is where the real discrimination is. if you want to look for discrimination, it's the judicial system. So I am the antiracist because I am the only candidate, Republican or Democrat, who [wants to] protect the minority against these vicious drug laws. Did anyone on the left, flailing away Paul, ever hold Dennis Kucinich's feet to the fire for all those years attacking choice, before his presidential ambitions prompted to jump the fence and change his views? Not for Kucinich the rigorous adherence to principle that prompted Paul to launch a nutty attack on social security to a mostly elderly audience in Florida. Small wonder he ended up arm wrestling Fred Thompson for fifth place. Still, even Giuliani, in his strange farewell address, confessed that "Ron Paul won every debate." So we advise Paul to quit wasting his money in the Republican money and instead to launch off as an independent or libertarian, denouncing the war and going to the inner cities on a redemption tour to talk about racism and the judicial process --which got significantly worse in Clinton time. The left keeps laboring the obvious, that Paul is not a leftist and has some bad positions. His posture on immigration is awful. But the Clinton record is substantively far, far worse, in terms of the terrible harvest reaped by NAFTA and the WTO and by Bill Clinton's own record on immigration and the treatment of Hispanics in the drug war. |
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| Julesy | Jan 31 2008, 10:26 PM Post #306 |
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im scared if McCain actually wins the presidency. I dont like him! |
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| Denovissimus | Jan 31 2008, 10:28 PM Post #307 |
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Me too Jules! He has publically stated he wants the war to last and he wants more wars! WAKE UP AMERICA! Especially you dumb republicans fucks! |
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| Julesy | Jan 31 2008, 10:33 PM Post #308 |
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maybe he was supposed to die in that POW camp but made a deal with the devil. He becomes president and spreads his evil all over the world!
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| Auntie Maine | Feb 1 2008, 01:22 PM Post #309 |
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back to my campaigning... Long described as a polarizing figure in American politics, she is the first woman in U.S. history with a strong chance of being elected president. Historian Garry Wills would later term her "one of the more important scholar-activists of the last two decades". |
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| Denovissimus | Feb 1 2008, 01:51 PM Post #310 |
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| Julesy | Feb 1 2008, 01:51 PM Post #311 |
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my sis and bro in law are all for Hillary. Im undecided as of yet. but you know Im a man hater.
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| Denovissimus | Feb 1 2008, 02:00 PM Post #312 |
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She's evil! |
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| Julesy | Feb 1 2008, 02:08 PM Post #313 |
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all these fuckers have thier own agenda. give a woman a try. Im sure she cant fuck it up any worse then a man besides, Im still undecided about voting in general |
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| Denovissimus | Feb 1 2008, 02:10 PM Post #314 |
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Hillary is not a woman! Don't let the breasts fool you! |
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| Julesy | Feb 1 2008, 02:13 PM Post #315 |
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well her facade works pretty well |
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| Denovissimus | Feb 1 2008, 05:05 PM Post #316 |
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This is one of the reasons Hillary should NOT be supported!! Hillary Clinton: A Bilderberg Presidency European elite back Democratic frontrunner Related: Hillary Denies Attending Bilderberg, Confirms Bill Did Old-thinker news | Nov. 8, 2007 By Daniel Taylor "...Hillary will be good for America... we'll be very pleased that she's president." -- Lynn Forester de Rothschild, Portfolio magazine, October 5, 2007 While President Bush's approval rating falls to record lows, the torch is being prepared to pass on to Hillary Clinton, with full endorsement from the global elite. With support from European nobility, Clinton has been selected as the candidate of choice for the continuation of globalist policies. Bill Clinton, being a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, as well as the secretive Bilderberg group, was the creme de la creme establishment candidate. His wife, Hillary, who likely attended the 2006 Bilderberg conference in Ottawa Canada, now promises to follow in his path. In an October 5th interview conducted by Lloyd Grove of Portfolio magazine, Lynn Forester de Rothschild, wife of Sir Evelyn Rothschild, openly proclaimed support for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Lloyd Grove begins by commenting on Lynn's influence, writing of her first meeting with her future husband Evelyn Rothschild which took place at the 1998 Bilderberg conference in Turnberry, Scotland, "When 67-year-old British banking scion Sir Evelyn Rothschild first set eyes on 44-year-old Lynn Forester at the 1998 Bilderberg conference—the matchmaker was none other than Henry Kissinger—she was already a woman of major means." When asked by Grove if Clinton will be "good for business," Rothschild replies, "First of all, Hillary will be good for America. And so if we care about our country —which all of my fellow capitalists do —we'll be very pleased that she's president." Writing in the Council on Foreign Relations publication Foreign Affairs, Hillary Clinton outlines her agenda if elected president. Iran is in Clinton's sights, along with regional government, and likely support of the North American Union - and possibly a Pan-American union - with a "policy of vigorous engagement" with Latin America. Regarding Iran, Clinton echoes the rhetoric coming from President Bush and the Neo-cons, "Iran must conform to its nonproliferation obligations and must not be permitted to build or acquire nuclear weapons. If Iran does not comply with its own commitments and the will of the international community, all options must remain on the table." Clinton's "vigorous engagement" stance toward Latin America would make North American integration proponent Robert Pastor and the CFR proud. Regional government, as well as regional currencies have been a long term goal of Bilderberg globalists and the Council on Foreign Relations. Clinton, if elected president would pursue further integration of Africa into the African Union, "We should target these countries for aid and other forms of support and work with them to strengthen regional institutions such as the African Union. The AU seeks to emulate the European Union by requiring and supporting democracy among its members..." Hillary Clinton congratulated Walter Cronkite in 1999 for his global governance award, given to him by the World Federalist Association for his support for a system of world government. "For decades you've told us the way it is, and tonight we honor you for fighting for the way it could be," said Clinton. The thin veil covering the almost indistinguishable difference between the two major parties has all but disappeared. The good Congressman from Texas named Ron Paul is the only candidate that comes with no strings attached leading to globalist puppeteers. Paul's popular yet simple message of freedom is spreading, while the establishment scrambles to scare up support from ever more skeptical Americans for their increasingly un-popular candidates. http://www.oldthinkernews.com/Articles/old...ary_clinton.htm |
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| la anaconda de chocolatee | Feb 1 2008, 05:32 PM Post #317 |
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Hillary is the chosen candidate of the global elite? See dan, me and jesse are right, she is evil! I really dont want her now, even more than ever if they want her to be president! They want total globalization and total control! They want to make the world like 1984! We all will be arrested and tortured for thought crimes! |
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| Denovissimus | Feb 1 2008, 05:34 PM Post #318 |
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This is still a somewhat free society Michele and Dan can campaign if he wants! Even if its for a cunt
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| Julesy | Feb 1 2008, 05:46 PM Post #319 |
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speak for yourself woman! Im still on the fence :blisss < me dancing on the fence |
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| Denovissimus | Feb 1 2008, 05:51 PM Post #320 |
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Someone just sent me an email saying Ann Coulter is going to campaign and vote for Hillary if McCain gets the republican nomination.
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to Guiliani! He's expected to drop out as well. Talk about a failure of a campaign, ignoring the early primaries to concentrate on one state. You lose momentum like that fool! Like how McCain has built himself up when all indications were he had no chance when this began and now he's the frontrunner!
he is definately going to Super Tuesday. If he doesnt win anything at all on Super Tuesday then I imagine he would drop out then, hopefully he wins at least a few states because the longer he stays in the race, the better. Even if he has very little chance, the longer he stays in, the more people find out about him, the more people get a hold of his message and what he is all about, the more chance there is for a change in this country, even if we have to wait another 4 years for it. The Ron Paul Revolution must continue to grow momentum and strength, even if the man himself does not make it to the white house


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