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I know right? :huh
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Julesy Jan 18 2008, 04:11 PM Post #102
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I think it may be time for me to seriously analyze becoming a vegatarian


no way I can become a vegetarian. Mexican food is to effing good!
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This article is long but well worth the read to let you know just how far this government is going
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Electronic searches at border prompt protests
Seizure of laptops, cameras and cellphones raising legal questions
The Washington Post
By Ellen Nakashima

updated 2:59 a.m. CT, Thurs., Feb. 7, 2008

Nabila Mango, a therapist and a U.S. citizen who has lived in the country since 1965, had just flown in from Jordan last December when, she said, she was detained at customs and her cellphone was taken from her purse. Her daughter, waiting outside San Francisco International Airport, tried repeatedly to call her during the hour and a half she was questioned. But after her phone was returned, Mango saw that records of her daughter's calls had been erased.

A few months earlier in the same airport, a tech engineer returning from a business trip to London objected when a federal agent asked him to type his password into his laptop computer. "This laptop doesn't belong to me," he remembers protesting. "It belongs to my company." Eventually, he agreed to log on and stood by as the officer copied the Web sites he had visited, said the engineer, a U.S. citizen who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of calling attention to himself.

Maria Udy, a marketing executive with a global travel management firm in Bethesda, said her company laptop was seized by a federal agent as she was flying from Dulles International Airport to London in December 2006. Udy, a British citizen, said the agent told her he had "a security concern" with her. "I was basically given the option of handing over my laptop or not getting on that flight," she said.

The seizure of electronics at U.S. borders has prompted protests from travelers who say they now weigh the risk of traveling with sensitive or personal information on their laptops, cameras or cellphones. In some cases, companies have altered their policies to require employees to safeguard corporate secrets by clearing laptop hard drives before international travel.

Right to search?
Today, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Asian Law Caucus, two civil liberties groups in San Francisco, are filing a lawsuit to force the government to disclose its policies on border searches, including which rules govern the seizing and copying of the contents of electronic devices. They also want to know the boundaries for asking travelers about their political views, religious practices and other activities potentially protected by the First Amendment. The question of whether border agents have a right to search electronic devices at all without suspicion of a crime is already under review in the federal courts.

The lawsuit was inspired by some two dozen cases, 15 of which involved searches of cellphones, laptops, MP3 players and other electronics. Almost all involved travelers of Muslim, Middle Eastern or South Asian background, many of whom, including Mango and the tech engineer, said they are concerned they were singled out because of racial or religious profiling.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokeswoman, Lynn Hollinger, said officers do not engage in racial profiling "in any way, shape or form." She said that "it is not CBP's intent to subject travelers to unwarranted scrutiny" and that a laptop may be seized if it contains information possibly tied to terrorism, narcotics smuggling, child pornography or other criminal activity.

The reason for a search is not always made clear. The Association of Corporate Travel Executives, which represents 2,500 business executives in the United States and abroad, said it has tracked complaints from several members, including Udy, whose laptops have been seized and their contents copied before usually being returned days later, said Susan Gurley, executive director of ACTE. Gurley said none of the travelers in the ACTE suit raised concerns about racial or ethnic profiling. And Gurley said none of the travelers were charged with a crime.

Copied log-on, password
"I was assured that my laptop would be given back to me in 10 or 15 days," said Udy, who continues to fly into and out of the United States. She said the federal agent copied her log-on and password, and asked her to show him a recent document and how she gains access to Microsoft Word. She was asked to pull up her e-mail but could not because of lack of Internet access. With ACTE's help, she pressed for relief. More than a year later, Udy has received neither her laptop nor an explanation.

ACTE last year filed a Freedom of Information Act request to press the government for information on what happens to data seized from laptops and other electronic devices. "Is it destroyed right then and there if the person is in fact just a regular business traveler?" Gurley asked. "People are quite concerned. They don't want proprietary business information floating, not knowing where it has landed or where it is going. It increases the anxiety level."

Udy has changed all her work passwords and no longer banks online. Her company, Radius, has tightened its data policies so that traveling employees must access company information remotely via an encrypted channel, and their laptops must contain no company information.

At least two major global corporations, one American and one Dutch, have told their executives not to carry confidential business material on laptops on overseas trips, Gurley said. In Canada, one law firm has instructed its lawyers to travel to the United States with "blank laptops" whose hard drives contain no data. "We just access our information through the Internet," said Lou Brzezinski, a partner at Blaney McMurtry, a major Toronto law firm. That approach also holds risks, but "those are hacking risks as opposed to search risks," he said.

The U.S. government has argued in a pending court case that its authority to protect the country's border extends to looking at information stored in electronic devices such as a laptop without any suspicion of a crime. In border searches, it regards a laptop the same as a suitcase.

"It should not matter . . . whether documents and pictures are kept in 'hard copy' form in an executive's briefcase or stored digitally in a computer. The authority of customs officials to search the former should extend equally to searches of the latter," the government argued in the child pornography case being heard by a three-judge panel of the Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit in San Francisco.

As more and more people travel with laptops, BlackBerrys and cellphones, the government's laptop-equals-suitcase position is raising red flags.

"It's one thing to say it's reasonable for government agents to open your luggage," said David D. Cole, a law professor at Georgetown University. "It's another thing to say it's reasonable for them to read your mind and everything you have thought over the last year. What a laptop records is as personal as a diary but much more extensive. It records every Web site you have searched. Every e-mail you have sent. It's as if you're crossing the border with your home in your suitcase."

If the government's position on searches of electronic files is upheld, new risks will confront anyone who crosses the border with a laptop or other device, warned Mark Rasch, a technology security expert with FTI Consulting and a former federal prosecutor. "Your kid can be arrested because they can't prove the songs they downloaded to their iPod were legally downloaded," he said. "Lawyers run the risk of exposing sensitive information about their client. Trade secrets can be exposed to customs agents with no limit on what they can do with it. Journalists can expose sources, all because they have the audacity to cross an invisible line."

Hollinger said customs officers "are trained to protect confidential information."

'Content of people's thoughts'
Shirin Sinnar, a staff attorney with the Asian Law Caucus, said that by scrutinizing the Web sites people search and the phone numbers they've stored on their cellphones, "the government is going well beyond its traditional role of looking for contraband and really is looking into the content of people's thoughts and ideas and their lawful political activities."

If conducted inside the country, such searches would require a warrant and probable cause, legal experts said.

Customs sometimes singles out passengers for extensive questioning and searches based on "information from various systems and specific techniques for selecting passengers," including the Interagency Border Inspection System, according to a Customs statement. "CBP officers may, unfortunately, inconvenience law-abiding citizens in order to detect those involved in illicit activities," the statement said. But the factors agents use to single out passengers are not transparent, and travelers generally have little access to the data to see whether there are errors.

Although Customs said it does not profile by race or ethnicity, an officers' training guide states that "it is permissible and indeed advisable to consider an individual's connections to countries that are associated with significant terrorist activity."

"What's the difference between that and targeting people because they are Arab or Muslim?" Cole said, noting that the countries the government focuses on are generally predominantly Arab or Muslim.

It is the lack of clarity about the rules that has confounded travelers and raised concerns from groups such as the Asian Law Caucus, which said that as a result, their lawyers cannot fully advise people how they may exercise their rights during a border search. The lawsuit says a Freedom of Information Act request was filed with Customs last fall but that no information has been received.

Kamran Habib, a software engineer with Cisco Systems, has had his laptop and cellphone searched three times in the past year. Once, in San Francisco, an officer "went through every number and text message on my cellphone and took out my SIM card in the back," said Habib, a permanent U.S. resident. "So now, every time I travel, I basically clean out my phone. It's better for me to keep my colleagues and friends safe than to get them on the list as well."

Udy's company, Radius, organizes business trips for 100,000 travelers a day, from companies around the world. She says her firm supports strong security measures. "Where we get angry is when we don't know what they're for."

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wow thats crazy
*cue twilight zone theme song*
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la anaconda de chocolatee Feb 8 2008, 02:55 AM Post #105
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omg that is FUCKED UP!
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Julesy Feb 12 2008, 12:49 AM Post #106
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do you think when you get carded and have to sign those ledgers, that they keep track of how much booze you buy?

I always get asked to sign the booze book when I go and get booze at the groceries :shock
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I've never heard of such a thing!

I bet someone is keeping track!

You need to find out why you have to sign that Jules and contact your local representative as well.
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here its if you look under 25 (which thankfully I do) they HAVE to card you and write your name in that booze ledger.
they take your I.D. /Drivers Licese card and write down you numbers and you have to sign it.

Ive singed tons of em.

I bet they have a list of what I like to drink!

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I can understand being carded, hell over here they card if if you look 45 and under! It's at their digression, but of course the younger you look the more you get carded. I get offended when I'm not carded! :purleeze

But to write down your info in a ledger? Oh hell no, that is a complete invasion of privacy. You better believe they don't destroy those ledgers once they are filled, they store them, in a database even, to use against you I bet if you are ever arrested for a crime!

Your honor, the defendant has a long history of excessive alcohol purchase....etc, etc.
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wonder why they make you do that in AZ?
Ive been up and down the west coast and not once did I have to sign a ledger.
They just card me and sell me. they do swipe my card. so wondering if thats the same thing.
IM ON BOOZE ALERT!

Ilt will be a sad day when I dont get carded. lol Ill cry!
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Card swipe? To verify the age and authenticity of the ID I bet, but who knows if the purpose of the swipping isn't being kept documented?

In some stores like supermarkets they just enter in the date of birth so the register will allow the sale.
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yeah they swipe my card.

in like drive thru liqupr stores or regular liquor stores (only find em in the ghetto parts of town) they just sell it to you.

its in the regular stores or gas stations they make me sign the ledger.
its weird cause I never have had to sign one in a bar or club or casino.
hmmm........
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do you think when you get carded and have to sign those ledgers, that they keep track of how much booze you buy?

I always get asked to sign the booze book when I go and get booze at the groceries :shock

we dont have booze books around here, I never seen one before
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:shock

A cuntSPIRACY!!
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Angeliica Nero Feb 27 2008, 02:25 AM Post #115
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everyone tells me i look mean too.
wtf? am I supposed to go around smiling all fucking day?

ive looked mean ever since i was a baby.
see pic below. lol!

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That's one mean ass looking baby!! Beautiful even then though :lovah .
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Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!

That's a movie line from somewhere.

Anyhow, check this out, very intriguing. About what certain badges, or patches in this case, means in the secret "black ops" world.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/118841?GT1=43001

There is a book as well, "I could tell you but then you would have to be destroyed by me", written by Trevor Paglen.
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those are fake badges right?
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No they are real!
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Why TV news will NOT cover Sun Myung Moon's influence on our nation.
by moonboots
Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:10:15 PM PDT
Using his swindled money, political operatives and front groups, Sun Myung Moon has been wildly successful in moving our nation, and more specifically the Republican Party, hard right to the point where what would be extremism a couple decades ago is now considered everyday "conservatism" today. The most visible example of Moon's effort has been the Washington Times which gave hard right wing views backbone and served as Washington's journalistic farm system for conservative writers. This was done while Moon moved in other areas to empower the theocrats within the conservative movement, nurturing his goal of a more theocratic America. Yes, he has been extremely successful in his role as molder and savior of the conservative movement, yet you won't hear any of it on TV, the main way most people get their news. Wonder why TV won't inform the nation?

Well, one reason is because they would have to admit they have helped him. ...please continue reading.

* moonboots's diary :: ::
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OK, if you glance below it is a long post but frankly, thanks to the negligence of the media over the last couple decades, few know much about how Moon works and deceives in the process. To know Moon, I think you have to put a lot of pieces of the puzzle together, below are some of those pieces. Moon is not a soundbite subject. :)

A couple weeks ago, Neil Bush was found touring with Moon, helping Moon promote his UN and planet gigging unit, The Universal Peace Federation. Outside of Gorenfeld's article for Alternet, that story could only be found on a few liberal blogs. Again, why doesn't TV news tell us about Neil and the Bush family's close relationship to Moon? Why doesn't it tell us who has set the nation off on this right wing and theocratic road we are going down? Why does TV act like Moon isn't there? Why do they act like the perpetual money loser, the Washington Times, is anything other than another Moon front designed to manipulate our nation where he wants it to go politically? Non-citizen Moon brags about using his propaganda paper to "influence" our nation, yet you'll never hear TV News say that. Why? Let's take a look.

Larry Zilliox passed on this comment on info from an article in the Kodiak Daily Mirror. Larry is the President of Investigative Research Specialists, LLC - and the one who maintains the most up-to-date list of Moon front groups which you can find housed at Steve Hassan's Freedom of Mind site. The list of fronts can be found here.

Here's Larry's insightful comment on the KDM article which is mostly a fluff piece on Moon's organization and their fishing business in Alaska:

This is the first time I have seen a Moon follower admit during an interview that the primary activity of the businesses is to support Moon's social objectives. Cooper said the company is a way Moon found to make the church and its associated movements for world peace self-sufficient. This quote is especially telling. As Kim puts it, although the church and the company are separate, "We actually go toward the same goal -- to make a kind of ideal world."
Why is this important? Because, as you will see in a NBC Nightly News transcript from 1990 below, Moon's organization tries to deceive people into thinking Moon's business are ONLY for profit businesses like any other and are not tied to Moon or his "church's" goals. Like they do not play a role in Moon's plans. Years ago, the moonites knew that many companies and individuals would not work with them if they knew they were helping Moon build his planet manipulation machine. They rightfully wouldn't want to help him with credibility or to further control his recruits or feed his delusions. Especially before decades of mainstreaming of the Moon organization by the conservative movement, people working with him needed a way to rationalize what they were doing. Common sense and very little reading about Moon and his organization will tell one that working to control the directions of the planet is at the root of all they do. It is their "religion" to put Moon and the group in position to control as they believe Moon speaks for God and knows what God wants.

Obviously in the KDM piece the Moon elder, Mr. Cooper, blew the cover to that decades old deception but you won't see it on the news. This deception runs deep. Here, Zilliox states how it works in this Dennis Roddy piece...

"Moon has always had tons of money," said Larry Zilliox Jr., a Virginia investigator who has spent years investigating the cult leader. "He probably controls more private real estate in the world than anyone else. The thing to remember when you're looking at this is you're looking at the movement -- you're looking at everything as one. Everything works in furtherance of his goals and activities."
You getting the picture?

Below is a transcript of a very, very rare appearance of actual reporting on Moon in a 15 year old NBC Nightly News broadcast which shows the deception in action.

Here's some background on those interviewed for the 1990 NBC report:

Steve Hassan: former member and leader of the Moon organization. He is now a cult exit counselor and licensed mental health therapist: Here is Steve's site and here is his page on Moon's group.

Bo Hi Pak: Pak was Moon's longtime interpreter and advance man. Pak came to America ten years in advance to lay the groundwork for Moon's official arrival in 1971 when he took the helm of his U.S. operation. Pak is currently in a Korean prison for fraud. Moon has done nothing to help him even though, imho, Pak made Moon what he is today. Now Moon's daughter, who is also Pak's daughter in law, has started an effort to save Pak. In a bit a irony, given that Moon's organization has made, by the attorney's estimates, billions swindling the Japanese, Pak was swindled by people apparently introduced to him by members of Moon's organization. Read about it here and check out all the photos of Pak shaking hands with some folks I am sure you will recognize. Pak is the one Poppy Bush communicated with the Moon organization through for years.

Joe Rothstein: President of Capitol Video in 1990.

Michael Warder: Worked directly with Moon for many years, helping him with his newspaper in New York. Warder stated in a FRONTLINE that Moon wanted a media totally loyal to him. I don't think that meant Moon must own them, just that the media won't give him any trouble by exposing to the American public what he is doing behind the scenes to mold our nation politically, his goals. Moon has that now with the American TV media and major print media who refuse to inform the nation about his efforts.

Jonathon Park: Bo Hi Pak's son. If you believe the bean spillers in the Kodiak Daily report, as anyone who looks would, then in the NBC report below, Park is doing what former members say moonies are trained to do, that is, use "heavenly deception." They believe it is OK to lie for the Moon cause if it helps protect the organization. The moonites say they don't practice "heavenly deception", former members say they are lying when they say that. :)

James Whelan: Staunch conservative, worked for a Scaife paper before being highly recruited by the Moon organization and taking the job as the first editor and publisher of the Washington Times. He quit the paper calling it a "moonie paper" and saying he had "blood on his hands" for helping the paper gain respectability.

here's the transcript of NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw - August 1990. Jamie Gangel reporting from Washington D.C..

Tom Brokaw: Over a decade ago Rev. Sun Myung Moon was accused of controlling the minds of young people - creating so called "moonies." Well, he's avoided public controversy since that time but quietly, he and his organization have been building a powerful business empire and some of his former top aids say that makes him even more dangerous now.

The latest from NBC's Jamie Gangel:

(scene: Moon mass wedding with participants at Moon's direction raising hands and yelling "mansie" in unison three times)

Gangel: Sun Myung Moon, 1982, this is what most people remember; the mass weddings, the moonies, young people sent out to sell flowers and give all their money to the church. Since then, Rev. Moon and his followers have built an empire but critics still charge the UC is a destructive cult.

Steve Hassan: It's an international conglomerate of people who are completely under the control of Moon and his leadership. It's an organization that wants to take over the world and has been working to do so, relentlessly.

JG: They own - prime real estate in all fifty states, one third of the U. S. fishing industry, banks, hotels, a weapons factory, even this fancy French jewelry company (show Christian Bernard Jewelers) and now the Moon organization is focusing on television. In a rare interview we spoke to Moon's right hand man, Bo Hi Pak. He told us, their goal is a national cable network.

Bo Hi Pak: It's going to be a America's television, promote America's ideology, America's worldview, which is God centered world view, traditional values, that is what America needs.

JG: And the point man for the TV operation is Jonathon Park, Bo Hi Pak's son. Funded in part by Church related businesses, in the past five years Park has bought virtually every independent television production company in Washington DC. He's built this $90 million dollar complex and now controls five companies, including the largest state of the art studio in town. He's even bought into Nostalgia cable, a system that reaches almost 11 million viewers. It's made competitors nervous.

Joe Rothstein: I think the immediate danger in the Washington area is that they would get a lock on all the means of television and video production.

Jonathon Park: There is no other motive, no other hidden agenda. These businesses are run for profit and they're operated very much like any other well run company.

JG: And the church will not influence them?

Jonathon Park: Absolutely, no.

JG: In fact, Park's clients say there has not been any influence and very few of his employees are even church members but critics say there is another agenda.

Warder: If you want to be the second coming of Christ, you want all the power you want all the money, you want control of all the media. That's the objective.

JG: And if the names of your clients are a measure of your power and prestige, Jonathon Park and the Moon organization can now claim they are accepted by a virtual who's who of the TV industry.

(video of CNN lead in) CNN is one of the most visible. It rents many of its crews and technical staff from Park. NBC, ABC, CBS, and many of their affiliates also give Park business.

James Whelan: People are cooperating willy nilly throwing their money at them, throwing their reputations, their prestige, their honor even, at the moonie cause and choosing not to look. See no evil, hear no evil....

JG: Others are Ted Koppel communications, many foreign networks and Entertainment Tonight.

SH: Doing business with Moon is giving credibility and legitimacy to a man who is, in my opinion, a total demagogue, who runs a destructive cult that uses deception, mind control, and hurts thousands and thousands of people.

JG: The Moon organization vehemently denies these attacks.

Bo Hi Pak: They're the liars, they're liars and premeditated to destroy our church and I know one thing, we're speaking the truth. And I know who Rev. Moon is, he's a man of God. (...unintelligible) God is truth. I know we shall prevail because "truth" shall prevail.

JG: Should anyone be worried about this? Critics say "Yes" - that Moon's agenda is power, taking over the world. But the church insists that's absurd, that it's just investing in legitimate businesses.

Jamie Gangel NBC News Washington.

Note: the Nostalgia Channel is owned by Moon. The name was changed to "GoodLifeTV" and is now called "AmericanLife TV". Moon predicted years ago via something like Telstar they could beam his "bible" the Divine Principles everywhere. I suspect they will do that when they feel they can do it without catching any flack.

One third of the U.S fishing industry in 1990? The few people I know of who follow Moon(there aren't many) find that hard to believe, although I do understand Moon is the biggest taxpaper/employer in Kodiak.

Kodiak Daily Mirror Unification Church has long history in Kodiak

Article published on Friday, September 30th, 2005

By ANDREW WELLNER

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International Seafoods, now doing business as True World Seafoods, has strong connections to the Unification Church, the 50-year-old church headed by the Rev. Sun Myung Moon.

In 25 years, church elder and longtime Kodiak resident David Cooper says, "A lot of things have changed in Kodiak." ...

Moon approves land purchases. And once his stamp of approval is on a transaction and the property is in hand, the company can't sell it without his consent.

While the business isn't owned by or even formally affiliated with the UC, they do have tight connections. Moon does the bulk of the decision making for both the church and the company.

And members move back and forth. Rev. Cheol Ho Bang, now the pastor at the Kodiak church, worked for a few years in the company. And Jang Kim, an executive at the plant, was once a pastor.

Cooper said the company is a way Moon found to make the church and its associated movements for world peace self-sufficient.

The movement estimates that 90 percent of its resources go toward various activities they sponsor to promote social justice issues.

As Kim puts it, although the church and the company are separate, "We actually go toward the same goal -- to make a kind of ideal world." ..........

Editor's note: David Cooper is married to Daily Mirror fisheries reporter Deanna Cooper, also a longtime resident of Kodiak and a church elder.
Here are the first four findings of the 70s congressional investigation of Korean influence on our nation. You can find a 43 page excerpt pdf file of the United States House of Representatives - Investigation of Korean-American Relations, Report of the Subcommittee on International Relations (known as the Fraser Report) by scrolling down here:

These are pretty straight forward wouldn't you say?

1. The UC (Unification Church) and numerous other religious and secular organizations headed by Sun Myung Moon constitute essentially one international organization. This organization depends heavily upon the interchangeability of its components and upon its ability to move personnel and financial assets freely across international boundaries and between businesses and nonprofit organizations.

2. The Moon Organization attempts to achieve goals outlined by Sun Myung Moon, who has substantial control over the economic, political, and spiritual activities undertaken by the organization in pursuit of those goals.

3. Among the goals of the Moon Organization is the establishment of a worldwide government in which the separation of church and state would be abolished and which Moon and his followers would govern.

4. In pursuit of this and other goals, the Moon Organization has attempted, with varying degrees of success, to gain control over or establish business and other secular institutions in the United States and elsewhere, and has engaged in political activities in the United States. Some of these activities were undertaken to benefit the ROK Government or otherwise influence U.S. foreign policy.
Further on the subject of the Washington Times "independence" from Moon and his "church" which covered a good bit here.

Take a gander at this quote from Craig Maxim who was a member for many years. A singer, he traveled the world entertaining Moon at the leader of the UC's mansions. Craig is now a dedicated Christian. Having read a good bit of Craig's work, I believe he is as honest a man as you will ever read. See for yourself, check out his ever growing site here. From the ARU forum where the Unification Church is discussed. The board is a shell of its former self: Quoting Maxim addressing another poster:
I have, on several occasions, been allowed to sit in on Korean Regional Leaders meetings, and other such high level meetings Moon has lead. I watched him direct activities these companies would go in. I watched the Korean leaders ask Moon about certain purchases, etc.. and what Moon told them to do, is done. I have watched Josette Shiner come and give a full report about things the Washington Times was doing, and make sure he knew everything that was going on. And similarly, Moon would respond to her comments and make decisions based on what she told him.

Moon was supposed to have NOTHING to do with the AFC and the Times beyond being the "founder" of these organizations. I personally witnessed that this was not true. I saw the reality myself. You on the other hand, are a nobody in the UC, and so all you have is the party line, which you believe without question.

Ann Louise Bardach in her 1992 article "Moonstruck: The Reverend and his Newspaper" which was scrubbed by Vanity Fair because she said "reservations were expressed about the litigious Moonies" and was finally published in 2004 in David Wallis's Killed, Great Journalism Too Hot To Print says this about Shiner:

Directly under Pruden is deputy managing editor, Josette Shiner, perhaps the most enigmatic member of the Time's Family. Shiner, an attractive woman of thirty seven, is frequently described as the "number one moonie" at the paper. Some, in fact, regard her as the 'defacto power,' and one recently departed staffers says that "Josette runs the paper more than Wes." Following Whelan's departure in 1984, Shiner and another church member, Ted Agres, were made assistant managing editors. ...

She was one of the principle forces behind the Washington Times, and some staffers believe that the idea of starting the paper was hers. The Church, however attributes the paper's founding "to a vision of heavenly father," meaning Moon.
Shiner, a very hard core and long time member of Moon's group which is first and foremost a political organization, said she left the "church." Oddly she "left" at the same time Moon sort of disbanded the church and told the members to fan out and join other churches and bring them his message. I understand she has never rejected Moon or his plans for the planet. Hopefully she has left the "church" but former members say that is not as easy as it sounds, especially for a hard core member such as Josette. Smart as a whip and according to Bardach very un-moonie-like, Josette can be found here.

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After nearly a half century of service Admiral William J. Fallon resigned Tuesday from his post as top U.S. military commander for the Middle East because of growing publicity of his differences of opinion over Bush Administration policy on Iran. Bush's beef with Fallon:

"He doesn't react like Pavlov's dog to inflammatory rhetoric from inflammatory little men."


A Mar. 11 article in "Esquire" speculated on the longevity of Fallon's career, asking

"How does Fallon get away with so brazenly challenging his commander in chief?

The answer is that he might not get away with it for much longer. President Bush is not accustomed to a subordinate who speaks his mind as freely as Fallon does, and the president may have had enough."


How very "Nostradamus" of them.

However, their next prediction proved the absence of total omnipotence, suggesting that Fallon might last until this summer when Bush would replace him with a more deferential commander who would chase whatever stick the neocons threw into Iran.

One can only hope that "Esquire's" third prediction proves them to be charlatans and false prophets:

"If that were to happen, it may well mean that the president and vice-president intend to take military action against Iran before the end of this year and don't want a commander standing in their way."

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates has tried to downplay the existence of any disagreement, going so far as to declare, "I don't think there were any differences at all."

Wanna know just how much "difference" there is between Fallon and the Bush Admin's policy?

You may recall the very under-reported story about a B-52 bomber carrying six live nuclear warheads across the country to Louisiana. It was scheduled to continue to the Middle East after refueling. Fallon and a few other sane Intel and Air Force officials found out and stopped it before it could take off.

To put it politely, Fallon was royally perturbed.

When the incident was leaked to the press by high-level officials, distinguished patriots all, concerned about the possibility of being dragged into another aggressive, unprovoked war-- this time a nuclear one-- the inconceivable explanation offered by the morons in charge was:

It was an accident.

The "Bent Spear" B-52 incident of August 30 was no accident. Live nuclear warheads stored in impenetrable underground bunkers, at heavily guarded sites do not "accidentally" attach themselves to cruise missiles, drive themselves out on a fork truck, and jump into place on a bomber that has for several years been prohibited from carrying nukes because the B-52 has been deemed too unsafe for that purpose.

The timeline tells the tale here. One week after the "accident", on Sept. 5, the story was leaked to the Military Times. The next day, Sept. 6, Israel bombed a compound in Syria that was rumored to be a "suspected nuclear facility" where the Syrians were cooperating with North Korea on a secret project that was partially funded by Iran.

How convenient that those three nations turned out to be the exact ones in Bush's "Axis of Evil."

Asked about the incident, Bush refused to speak one word on the subject. To this day, nobody in the administration has offered any substantive information on the bombing of Syria.

Just before Fallon stopped the nuclear-armed bomber from delivering its cargo, Robert Gates had matter-of-factly announced that the new National Intelligence Estimate on Iran would not be released publicly. After Fallon realized exactly how maniacal the Bush regime was, he and other military and intel officers forced the release of the NIE, which said Iran had not had a nuclear weapons program since 2003, and was unlikely to resume it. It contradicted everything the White House had been selling.

How did they force Bush's compliance? They threatened to tell the whole story to every reporter in Washington – that Bush was trying to sneak nukes to the Middle East with the intent of bombing Iran's nuclear energy plants at the same time Israel bombed Syria.

British intel sources say the Israeli attack on Syria was originally intended to coincide with a U.S. attack on Iran. After the mutiny over sending nuclear-armed missiles to the Middle East, Israel proceeded with its attack on Syria.

Remember how passively Bush and Cheney took the disclosure of the NIE? Normally, they would have shouted and wailed, aggressively attacking such a repudiation of all the rhetoric they had been spouting for years. What caused their uncharacteristic calm and deference when the NIE was first released?

They were scared. If the public discovered the extent and scope of their plans, they might finally insist that Speaker Nancy Pelosi to return the nourishing meal of impeachment to the table from which she swiped it, thereby depriving the children of Democracy of the sustenance provided by the Constitution. More than that, Bush and Cheney were afraid of going to prison for their highly illegal trespasses. Fallon had their cajones in his fists, and had convinced them that he would not hesitate to twist them off if they continued to do everything possible to get us into a third idiotic war.

Remember just days after that NIE was made public, when Bush suggested that other countries better fall in line if they were "interested in avoiding World War III"?

That is exactly what Admiral Fallon helped to prevent.

Hopefully, his retirement will allow him the freedom to expose the reckless insanity of the worst administration in the history of America.
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