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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 21 2007, 06:30 PM (795 Views) | |
| Julesy | Jan 25 2007, 02:53 PM Post #21 |
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yeah, i know! i think once you get to highschool, here anyway, they allow you to buy snacks. i think thats fair. They can fatten up on thier own. |
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| Noname | Jan 25 2007, 08:29 PM Post #22 |
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we could buy snacks in middle school. |
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| Kehlili | Jan 27 2007, 08:47 PM Post #23 |
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My middle/high school (oh yeah all in one building, silly small ass town) had an ice cream machine, a snack machine, 2 soda machines, a snapple machine, and these like fruit drinks. I think tey have taken some of them out though because of complaints. Kinda related, did anyone else ever have those milk bags? Instead of coming in the single serving cartons, for like 2 years we got them in little clear plastic bags. . . until we found out that if you made a tiny hole they were like tiny milk bombs lol. We used to have food fights like once a month, by the time I graduated, pudding, spagetti, and a few other foods were banned haha. That said, obese kids gross me out. There were two kids at camp this summer who were like morbidly obese and if they sat at my table I couldn't eat. Its like waiting someone kill themselves and there is something gross about it. I am really hard on obese ppl I think because my family on my mom's side is all obese and I have this fear that as I get older I'll get fat. I think genes have something to do with it but I think that diet has a lot to do with it. I mean my aunt and uncle are huuuuuge, but while genes definitely has something to do with it, my other uncle, who is active and eats pretty much vegetarian, while he's still large he's not as obese and you can just tell he's healthier, he's able to do more things. Growing up my mom had us on a really strict diet. I didn't have movie popcorn til I went to someone's b-day party in like 1st grade and I did't have fast food until I was like 10. Even then I was only allowed to have it if we were driving up to the beach house or New Hampshire, so like twice a year. I wasn't allowed to have soda, I could have seltzer water, either flavoured or mixed with orange juice (actually really good). We had like fruit or cheerios for snacks and if we had red meat it was filet mignon because it tends to be less fatty. We weren't really allowed to watch much tv during the day, so we went outside to play and we were encouraged to play sports, and I did ballet for several years. As I got older she got freer with it but she still doesn't buy real junk food for home, the "junk" we have at home is mostly home baked cooks and cakes and such or ice cream. My mom usually gets turkey ground meat or sausage (which i think tastes better), and a lot of our meals are actually vegetarian. And I credit that for why until I graduated from high school I never weighed more than 116. I also credit her with my infatuation with trying to get "natural" things. Not only do we get turkey sausage because its more healthy, but we also both take the casings off because its made with crap. Growing up I hated it, I remember pitching a fit or two over wanting lunchables (which she wouldn't get not only because they were unhealthy but because they bad for the environment lol). I find that even though I want to eat healthy though I eat like crap because its cheaper and faster and i think thats why so many poorer kids are fat. Its cheaper to get chips than it is to get mangos. And when you don't have time to cook its easier to get precooked chicken fingers than it is to make grilled vegatables. I know every time I go to the grocery store, I want to get things like mangos and cook things like linguini salad (linguini, light italian dressing and some seasonings and veggies and such) but I can't afford the 1.19 they sell mangos for here (which is soo fucking overpriced it makes me angry) or usually take the 45 minutes it takes to cook the salad. I think something else to think about is to cook real food it often takes a lot of ingredients and those cost money too. If you never cook and you want to make like, that salad, you'd have to get everything from paprika to olives and the linguini itself. I think when I first made it here it cost me like 10 dollars to make, if you are trying to buy for a whole family, and with no time to cook, are you going to do that or are you going to get the pre-cooked fried dinner for 5? I also think that a lot of parents today, possibly because of busy lifestyles, aren' controling their kids lives enough. A lot of kids I have in camp have parents who just let them do what they want, and kids want what is advertised to them, not the most healthy things. So yeah I blame the parents but I also blame society. I mean, we are shown celebrities who drop 60 pounds in a few months, or weight loss shows where ppl seem to loose it quickly. We are shown diet pill commericals. . . it seems like loosing weight should be simple. We also are shown ppl who live a "I do what I want" lifestyle. I think that ppl today in America feel entitled to pretty much anything they want, I think American society as a whole is one big spoiled child. So put these two things together and do you think an overwieght teen is going t have the self-control to go on a diet where they may only loose a pound a week? Also gym classes are a joke, I mean most of the things they do are group sports where you can just stand on the side and move around a bit. I realise thats the easiest way to get everyone to participate, but I think that in highschool, perhaps gym should be set up more like a class in an actual gym. I mean have the kids decide, do they wan to do tae-bo, kick boxing, aerobics? Or a sport? They could do something new every quarter, it would also probably help make smaller classes where ppl would have to particapate more. They could also work out deals with local gyms to maybe get student's a discount and have it count for credit. I also think that health classes should take more time talking about fitness and nuitrition. At least in my highschool we spent like a week on it and about oh a month on drugs, and trust me, everyone already knew everything about the drugs, even if it was just from the media. So yeah after rambling I think that schools need to pick up the ball and help kids eat well and work out, parents are to blame for letting their kids eat anything, poverty is to blame because the better foods are more expensive, our life styles are to blame because making good food takes longer, and when you don't have time to work out well you won't, also suburbia living has something to do with it, as you have to drive everywhere, and society is to blame for making us believe everything should come easily. If you don't give kids the skills they won't be able to help themselves later. |
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| Kehlili | Jan 27 2007, 08:52 PM Post #24 |
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Oh yeah and I don't accept the gene argument fully either, I know here are some people who gain weight more easily from foods, but in my mind that just means they need to watch what they eat more than the average person. And does that suck? yeah, but get over it. I can't eat dairy, do you realise how many things have dairy in them? As I've gotten older its gotten better, but I still can't have anything with more than say a slice of cheese on it without a lactaid (which btw, did not exist in Europe, that was fun). And when I lived there I was getting food from the school for most meals, usually when there was only 3 options or so, and let me tell you there's always salad. I think of having the "obese gene" as like having diebetes that can be controlled by diet and lifestyle, its something that you have to pay attention to, and something you have to well sorta base your diet around, but it is up to you to fix and fully possible. |
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| Jane | Jan 27 2007, 11:16 PM Post #25 |
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Tons of good points there Kelly!
Definitely! Eating healthy takes much more thought, and feeding your kids healthily is the same. My sister makes mostly home cooked things for my nephew rather than the tins of baby food they have in stores, it takes a lot longer though. She has to be really organised and puts his food in lots of small containers in the fridge so they last a few days.
I agree there is an attitude that we can do anything we like, or we work hard so we should be able to buy loads of things to indulge ourselves with. Ok about genes... I think it is genes to some extent but also I think it's how you're brought up and what your relationship is with food. I'm one of those annoying types who could eat anything without putting on weight, I've been skinny all my life and I've never eaten healthy, my diet is appalling by most standards because there are loads of things I should eat that I have never been able to face! The thought of fruit or veg makes me want to be sick. But I am slightly more thoughtful these days about what I'm eating. Probably because I have got a bigger bum and belly than I used to have even though I'm still a British size 10 for my bottom half and a 6/8 for my top half. Don't know what that is in American, I know in your sizes it' a smaller number! I think diets don't work. That's why I said your relationship with food is important because I have never denied myself anything in my life! Starving yourself on a diet makes it worse the moment you start eating again. You end up bigger than before unless you can maintain an unrealistic diet all your life (not much fun in that!) Maybe that's why my weight hardly changes, because I maintain where I am by just eating normally (for me!) But....this is the important bit I think, I was brought up eating smaller portions compared to some families who's homes I have eaten at. I'm not a compulsive eater, I know when I've had enough and I stop. I think some people eat out of boredom, or out of habbit when they're not even hungry. I'm not saying I have never snacked in front of the tv, or I never eat between meals, but I don't do it as a habit. |
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| Kehlili | Jan 27 2007, 11:38 PM Post #26 |
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I think our sizes are 2 smaller? Possibly? I just checked a couple dresses from england and one is a size 8 and I'm a size 4 in america I think, I think clothes were 2 larger and shoes 2 smaller. I do think that genes play a HUGE role in how food affects someone, but I don't think its an excuse for the reasons I listed above. I always had a great motab. . . you know the word! Now that I'm not as active and I drink a lot more and I'm eating like crap, its slowed down a lot. But even though its slowed down and I'm living like crap I'm not gaining that much weight, well compared to others, my friend Mindy eats healthy, works out, etc, we are each like 5'5 and she weighs 140 while I weigh about 130. That said, thats the most I have EVER weighed and I just don't feel good or comfortable about it. Which is why I joined the gym class this semester have decided to cut back on my drinking (I think my biggest problem is that I love beer). I'm hoping to get back to 120 by the time I go to Kavos. It took me over a year of fast food, beer, and laziness to gain those 10 pounds but I hope to loose it in about 15 weeks. I guess what I"m trying to say is that, while I do naturally have a good genes from my dad's side of the family and my grandfather's on my mom's side, you can do things which naturally slow or speed it up. Exercising helps boost it and drinking slows it. I agree about the relationship to food. I've always been a bit of a boredom eater but until about a year ago, when I came home from England, I didn't let myself. I believe one of the reasons people are becoming so fat is portion control, or lack there of, people eat until they are full, I believe you should simply eat until you cease to be hungry. I think eating small meals throughout the day is best, but thats hard with today's lifestyles. I mean if you really think about it feeling full isn't a good feeling physically, it just feels good mentally. We teach ourselves to like it through condtitioning. I've noticed that while the foods I eat haven't changed that much, my portions have, and thats when I started gaining the weight. I blame pot and munchies haha. I had taught myself to not get them (yes it is possible) but then I started eating again and that overrode my natural inclination to not eat to the point of being stuffed and now it doesn't bother me. Its hard though because you have to find the thin line between being healthy and living life like you want to. For instance, I have no problem going to the gym for 2 hours a day but I have a huge problem dieting, especially with white breads. I know that simply switching to wheat bread would help me loose the weight faster but I love it. Same thing with beer, I want to loose the weight and to do that I'll have to cut down on drinking and yet I want to loose the weight so I look good when I go out. |
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| la anaconda de chocolatee | Jan 28 2007, 02:29 PM Post #27 |
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kelly if you start eating wheat bread, after you have eaten it a few times you will like the taste of wheat and find that you dont like white as much, wheat actually has a lot more flavor, but it is kind of harsh when you first start eating it cause it is such a huge difference. I suggest eating wheat bread toasted only for a while, it tastes better initially that way, Also eat rye too. I love rye bread. I never ever eat white bread anymore. Well occasionally a white roll on a sandwhich when a wheat roll is not an option. |
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| Julesy | Jan 29 2007, 02:09 PM Post #28 |
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i like wheat. I hate rye. no me gusta carroway seeds. bleh! |
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| Denovissimus | Jan 30 2007, 01:35 PM Post #29 |
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Long article on this subject, if anyone wants to read it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16814894/site/newsweek/ |
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| la anaconda de chocolatee | Jan 30 2007, 02:15 PM Post #30 |
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decent article, but I think the guy who wrote it should also talk about hte parents not only calling their congressmen to get phyiscal education put back in school, but to tell parents to stop spoiling their children and feeding them crap and buying them a million video games! This article puts very little responsibility on the parents for their children being overweight and is putting it all on the school system. |
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| Julesy | Jan 30 2007, 02:25 PM Post #31 |
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the school system isnt to blame. its the parents. when did school become childrens parents? |
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| Noname | Jan 30 2007, 03:02 PM Post #32 |
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that's the truth, Jules. parents need to take up responsibility for their kids. |
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| Kehlili | Jan 30 2007, 04:24 PM Post #33 |
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Schools should be the backup for the parents. Yes it is up to the parents, and they take the majority of the blame, but the school really takes the place of community of a whole for children and as many parents are failing, schools have to be ready to pick up the slack. Which is why school is an area where parents really to start giving more attention. I mean a lot of parents complain about schools, but how many take an active role? |
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| Julesy | Jan 30 2007, 09:41 PM Post #34 |
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i dont think so. if you decide to have children they are your responsiblity. Not society. If you dont want or cant deal with the burden of being a parent, then dont have children/dont fuck/become sterile |
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| Kehlili | Jan 30 2007, 11:02 PM Post #35 |
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I completely agree Jules, all I was trying to say is that unfortunatly a lot of parents fuck up, and since thats a known fact schools should be equipped to make up for it, like a safety net. Kids should be given as many chances as possible. . . even if I think they are vile lol |
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| Julesy | Jan 31 2007, 01:46 AM Post #36 |
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yeah, your right too Kelly. I just come down hard on peeps sometimes.Peeps who dont take responsibity, that is. God, I just realized Im a bitch!
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| Kehlili | Jan 31 2007, 02:40 AM Post #37 |
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Nah so do I, I blame the parents, kids are spoiled and shitty. Kids are horrible vile things which should not be allowed to speak until they are 18 years old. But for every 1,000 kids I'd like to drown in a lake, there is that one kid thats decent so I don't haha. Like I said I think America is one big spoiled child and thats why no one takes responsibility for anything. Parents think its up to the schools to provide for their kid's physical activity, schools think it up to the parents to provide for the kids nuitrion. . . so on and so on and the kids are too infintile to pull the box of chips ahoy away from their 200 pound mouths haha Probably because they've watched mom and dad do the same thing haha |
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| Julesy | Jan 31 2007, 02:50 AM Post #38 |
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lol! its sad in a way too. |
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| Kehlili | Jan 31 2007, 02:56 AM Post #39 |
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Yeah, parents can also go off in the opposite way too though. I mean my mom was always telling me about how she was 112 pounds until she had kids (she's about 5'5) and didn't have to really do anything for it. So growing up, even though I was only like 115 I still felt fat, and she didn't help me feel thinner, I remember when I was about 16 I got weighed and it was like 116, I'd put on a few pounds and my mom actually called me fat! haha Now that she's old she's packed on some pounds and I think she was taking it out on me. My friend Mindi's mother is the same way and it led to Mindi being anorexic. So I guess, no matter how you look at it, parents will fuck you up in the end |
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| Jane | Feb 26 2007, 09:21 PM Post #40 |
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A bit of news in the paper today, unless this woman helps her child lose weight they're going to take him into care! http://www.24dash.com/localgovernment/17068.htm |
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