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Big Brother Britain; The Rolemodel of America
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Denovissimus Jan 12 2007, 02:37 PM Post #21
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He's a cloned devil like Bush, except he drinks tea!
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Man I had to dig for this thread! Jane did you know the search option was diabled?

Owners Of Fat Pets Could Be Jailed

Charles Clover
London Telegraph
Thursday April 5, 2007

Owners of fat dogs or cats could face prosecution under the Animal Welfare Act which comes into force tomorrow.


The Act, the biggest overhaul of animal welfare legislation for a century, creates a new offence of failing in the duty of care towards a captive animal.
Pet owners can for the first time be guilty of an offence before an act of cruelty has been committed, for example by overfeeding their pet.

The Act says a person responsible for an animal must provide it with a suitable diet, intake of water, environment and housing and ensure it can behave normally and is without pain or disease.

Behaving normally means that sociable animals, such as dogs and rabbits, must be provided with companionship, either of their own species or humans.

Maximum penalties for breach of the new rules include a ban on owning animals, fines of up to £20,000 or up to 51 weeks in prison. The Act raises from 12 to 16 the minimum age for buying a pet and bans pets as prizes for under-16s.


Docking of dogs' tails for cosmetic reasons is banned with exemptions for "working" dogs used by the police, Armed Forces, search and rescue and gun dogs.
A vet in England may dock a dog's tail as long as it is no more than five days old and its owner has provided the following evidence: the dam of the dog (so the type may be ascertained), a completed statement by the owner and a shotgun certificate, police identification or other evidence that the dog will be used as a working dog.

The law will be different in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

In Wales the word breed is used rather than type, which appears to mean that if a dog is not of a pedigree listed in the regulations its tail may not be docked. In Scotland there is a separate Act which bans docking for any reason. In Northern Ireland tail docking is legal.

The RSPCA said that its inspectors would give written advice to pet owners in the first instance in the case of an overweight dog. A date for a return visit would then be given. In the event of obvious neglect a warning notice would be issued or the owner prosecuted.

In London's Hyde Park yesterday some dog owners were concerned about the new powers.

Vivien Battarbee, 61, a designer from South Kensington, owner of Missy, a Parson Jack Russell terrier, said: "I'd be horrified if I had a knock on the door from a policeman if my dog was overweight. Jailing would be going too far, but maybe it would be good to remind some people how to look after a dog."

Kenneth Stern, 78, who was walking Worcester, a Dalmatian, said: "Convicting people is a bit over the top, but some people simply do not realise how to take care of their dogs."
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And how about this?

Mounted cameras to use child voices....HERE
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Search is disabled? I'll look into that Jesse!!

I like that pet article! i think as usual the press has hyped it up so it looks ridiculous when really they would only use their powers in extreme cases of obsesity.


And the talking cameras has been in the news today but I didn't know about the child's voice idea! The bit I heard was a man's voice saying "pick that up and put it in the bin provided!!!" wow tackling big crime there! I doubt it would work with drunken men fighting! *over the top english accent* "Hey you...stop that right now!!"
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I love how prophetic Orwell was.

There was an Orwell quote in last weeks Lost, don't know if anyone else noticed. The teacher guy (I think it was) said "the pigs are walking" to the main characters, the leaders, referencing Animal Farm when the pigs took over from the humans, but when they did they started walking on 2 legs, thus they became like the tyrants they were fighting against.
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"Hey you there in the alley! Stop sucking that cock!" :ha

I never read Animal Farm Jane, funny line and instance for it to be used.
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LMAO!!! OMG imagine a child saying that!!

I bet we don't get them where I live! They'll probably realise it's a stupid idea before it goes nationwide.


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Britian is letting me down! Stand up for all of the injustice in the world!!
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Politics will always let you down!


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yeah, people love power.
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It's not about serving the people it's about serving themselves. I argued that in an essay once! :rocks
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When, Jane dear? I have always been fascinated by politics. Maybe it's the power they hold, but it has always gotten me. That's why I love the Kennedy's. A family with money and political power.

P.S. Also the British Royals.
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we had to watch Animal Farm like in junior high. At the time, I didnt get it. It was a cartoon so I watched it. lol
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Ah, I was looking at the title and wondering what does that have to do with this discussion. I googled it and found out!!
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Big Brother Britain....remote control surveillance helicopters!!!!

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Last Updated: Monday, 21 May 2007, 12:45 GMT 13:45 UK 

Pilotless police drone takes off 

 
The UK's first police remote control helicopter has taken off.
Merseyside police are using the "spy drone", fitted with CCTV cameras, mainly for tackling anti-social behaviour and public disorder.

The machine is 1m wide, weighs less than a bag of sugar, and can record images from a height of 500m.

Originally used by the military, it is due to be operational by June for a full three-month trial, which is the "first of its kind" in the UK.

The drone will also be used for monitoring traffic congestion and investigations are to be made into its possible role in firearms operations.

The machines, which are flown by remote control or using pre-programmed GPS navigation systems, are silent and can be fitted with night-vision cameras. 

The images they record are sent back to a police support vehicle or control room.

Merseyside's assistant chief constable Simon Byrne said: "We're always looking at ways of putting more officers on the streets, and maximising technology is a powerful way of achieving this.

"Our drone will be used primarily to support our anti-social behaviour taskforce AXIS, in gathering all important evidence to put offenders before the courts.

"For us, this is a cost-effective way of helping to catch criminals and supports similar technology we're already using in our vans and helicopter."

The force has been assisted by the Police, Crime and Standards Directorate.

Deputy director, Stephen Cahill, said: "We are pleased to support Merseyside Police in their efforts to reduce crime through the use of new technology.

"This trial is the first of its kind in the country and we're excited about its potential."




http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6676809.stm
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Electric Eye by Judas Priest!
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Electric Eye...In the Sky!! :shock
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They want control. All of it!
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Revealed: Blair's secret stalker squad
Fears that doctors could be used to lock up terror suspects without trail

by JASON LEWIS Last updated at 21:21pm on 27th May 2007

The Government has established a shadowy new national anti-terrorist unit to protect VIPs, with the power to detain suspects indefinitely using mental health laws
The Government has established a shadowy new national anti-terrorist unit to protect VIPs, with the power to detain suspects indefinitely using mental health laws.

The revelation is set to reignite the row over the Government's use of draconian measures to deal with terror suspects amid accusations they are abusing human rights.

The Fixated Threat Assessment Centre (FTAC) was quietly set up last year to identify individuals who pose a direct threat to VIPs including the Prime Minister, the Cabinet and the Royal Family.

It was given sweeping powers to check more than 10,000 suspects' files to identify mentally unstable potential killers and stalkers with a fixation against public figures.

The team's psychiatrists and psychologists then have the power to order treatment - including forcibly detaining suspects in secure psychiatric units.

Using these powers, the unit can legally detain people for an indefinite period without trial, criminal charges or even evidence of a crime being committed and with very limited rights of appeal.

Until now it has been the exclusive decision of doctors and mental health professionals to determine if someone should be forcibly detained.

But the new unit uses the police to identify suspects - increasing fears the line is being blurred between criminal investigation and doctors' clinical decisions.

It also raises questions about why thousands of mentally ill individuals have been allowed back into the community - including some who have attacked and killed members of the public - while VIPs are being given special protection.

Scotland Yard, which runs the shadowy unit, refuses to discuss how many suspects have been forcibly hospitalised by the team because of "patient confidentiality".

But at least one terror suspect - allegedly linked to the 7/7 bomb plot and a suicide bombing in Israel - has already been held under the Mental Health Act.

The suspect, who was subject of a control order and cannot be named for legal reasons, later absconded from the hospital and his whereabouts are unknown.

The existence of FTAC, part of the Metropolitan Police's specialist operations department which oversees anti-terrorist investigations and royal and diplomatic protection, slipped out in the fine print of a Home Office report.

The report makes it clear FTAC is a counter-terrorism unit and says: "We aim to make the UK a harder target for terrorists by maintaining effective and efficient protective security for public figures."

NHS documents obtained by The Mail on Sunday reveal the unit's role "concerns the identification and diversion into psychiatric care of mentally ill people fixated on the prominent".

The purpose of the centre is "to evaluate and manage the risk posed to prominent people by...those who engage in inappropriate or threatening communications or behaviours in the context of abnormally intense preoccupations, many of which arise from psychotic illness."

The Mental Health Act requires two doctors or psychiatrists to approve someone's forcible detention for treatment.

So-called 'sectioning' allows a patient to be held for up to six months before a further psychological assessment. Patients are then reviewed every year to determine if they can be released.

FTAC's senior forensic psychiatrist Dr David James, who has made a study of attacks on British and European politicians by people suffering pathological fixations, is qualified to order such a detention, as are other members of his team.

Also on the staff is Robert Halsey, a consultant forensic clinical psychologist who is a specialist in risk assessment.

The centre, which is based at a secret Central London location, has a staff of four police officers, two civilian researchers, a forensic psychiatrist, a forensic psychologist and a forensic community mental health nurse. Job descriptions make it clear they implement "interventions".

Human rights activists fear the team, whose existence has never been publicised, may be being used as a way to detain suspected terrorists without having to put evidence before the courts.

It also comes amid a continuing row over proposed mental health legislation which will make it easier to 'section' someone deemed a threat to the public.

Last night human rights group Liberty said the secret unit represented a new threat to civil liberties.

Policy director Gareth Crossman said: "There is a grave danger of this being used to deal with people where there is insufficient evidence for a criminal prosecution.

"This blurs the line between medical decisions and police actions. If you are going to allow doctors to take people's liberty away, they have to be independent. That credibility is undermined when the doctors are part of the same team as the police.

"This raises serious concerns. First that you have a unit that allows police investigation to lead directly to people being sectioned without any kind of criminal proceedings.

"Secondly, it is being done under the umbrella of anti-terrorism at a time when the Government is looking at ways to detain terrorists without putting them on trial."

FTAC was set up following an NHS research programme based at Chase Farm Hospital in Enfield, Middlesex, which looked at the threat to prominent figures from "fixated" people.

The team examined thousands of cases and liaised with the FBI, the US Secret Service, the Capitol Hill Police, which protects Congressmen and Senators, and the Swedish and Norwegian secret services.

The Swedish authorities gave the team access to files on the murder of foreign minister Anna Lindh who died from multiple stab wounds after being attacked by a stalker in a Stockholm store in 2003.

The research led to FTAC being set up with a £500,000-a-year budget from the Home Office and Department of Health. NHS documents say: "It is a prototype for future joint services."

No one from FTAC was willing to talk to The Mail on Sunday last week and few Whitehall officials seemed aware of the Centre's existence.

Shadow Health Secretary Andrew Lansley said: "The Government is trying to bring in a wider definition of mental disorder and is resisting exclusions which ensure that people cannot be treated as mentally disordered on the grounds of their cultural, political or religious beliefs.

"When you hear they are also setting up something like this police unit, it raises questions about quite what their intentions are.

"The use of mental health powers of detention should be confined to the purposes of treatment. But the Government wants to be able to detain someone who is mentally disordered even when the treatment would have no benefit.

"Combined with the idea that someone could be classed as mentally ill on the grounds of their religious beliefs, it is a very worrying scenario."

Last night a Home Office spokeswoman said there was "nothing sinister" about the unit or its role in counter-terrorism.

She said: "It comes under the remit of royal and diplomatic protection and is administered by that part of the Home Office.

"Psychiatric investigations are undertaken by psychiatric professionals only. Police officers do not assess people with mental health issues. The police provide the intelligence to ensure that psychiatrists have all the information available to make an assessment.

"This is done not only to protect public figures but also to protect the person fixated with the public figure."

Details of FTAC are revealed as the Government faces a new row over its terrorist control orders after three suspects, supposedly under house arrest, absconded last week.

The suspects, who it is feared may have fled the country, include the brothers of Anthony Garcia, who was jailed last month for his role in a plot to bomb London nightclubs and shopping centres.
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That really is frightening. What type of guidelines will they be using to classify such "threats"...and to be locked up with no trial! To be doped up and microchipped I'm sure!
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