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Was 9/11 an inside job?; you should watch Loose Change!
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la anaconda de chocolatee Nov 5 2006, 02:26 PM Post #1
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I just finished watching the documentary Loose Change which puts forth a compelling amount of evidence that leads one to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, that our government orchestrated the entire thing, not Al Quada. What do you believe?

To me, the most convincing evidence in the film was regarding the towers imploding. They showed evidence of other skyscrapers throughout the world, (including one in philadelphia!) that had had really bad fires that consumed a number of floors and burned for hours and hours and the building still did not collaspe. I believe the one in Spain there was a fire that burnt off the top 10 floors of a 32 floor high rise that burned for over 24 hours I believe and the remainder of the building still did not collapse. So how can 2 122 floor skyscrapers collaspe after only being on fire for not even an hour? And the south tower collapsed before the north tower even though the north tower was struck first.

Also compelling evidence for that is that in the movie they interviewed several NYFD and people who were in the building heard anywhere from 2 to 6 explosions, after the planes hit, while they were inside the building. And they showed video tape of the towers and if you look real closely, you can see silver flashes of explosions right before the towers collapsed, and on the lower floors as the south tower was coming down. Experts testified that in order to demolition a builing, and in order especially to demolition sky scrapers, explosives would need to be detonatied throughout various floors, which to me is what those silver flashes, some of which blew out windows, appeared to be. And what about the building 7 that also collapsed even though it wasnt hit by a plane? Supposdely the government is saying that it fell because of firey debris that fell on it from the towers, but if other sky scrapers, that were actually on fire for many hours on many floors dont collapse, how can a building that wasnt actually hit by the plane just completely collapse? I wonder what the motivation was to demolition that 3rd building?

And from what the evidence shows and eye witness accounts say regarding the plane hitting the pentagon, there is no way that a plane hit that. None of the eye witnesses saw a commercial liner heading towards the pentagon. And the government says that the crash caused the entire plane to "dissolve" because there was almost no evidence left behind of plane rumble. The plane was made from 200,000 tons of titanium and steel, it would be impossible for the entire plane to dissolve from a crash, it has never happened in any other plane crash before. The movie also said and showed evidence that the plane that crashed in PA also did not have any pieces of the plane on the scene and no bodies were found at all.


If all of this is true, my main question is this: where did those 4 planes go and where are the people who were on them? The movie suggests that Flight 93 (the one that crashed in PA) was actually landed in cleveland and that 200 passengers were loaded off the plane and into the NASA headquarters at the airport. Well there were only 45 passengers on the plane, suggesting that the 200 people were all of the people on all 4 flights. IF that is true, where are these people now? Does the government have them in a secret jail or some other type of hidden bunker where they have to live out the rest of their lives because no one can know that they are really alive? Their families have to think that they are dead, forever? This is the part that really buggs me.

and if the government did do this, then they obviously did not do a very good job making it convincing if this much evidence was able to be drummed up by a few guys making a documentary and other experts and laypersons.
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one thing that I wanted to say that is kind of off topic is: how the hell are we capable of making skyscrapers like the world trade center? Seriously! Can you imagine being part of the crew constructing that thing? Honestly, I dont know at all how they make these things! It truely is amazing.
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There is always something that the goverment is hiding from the American people. At times I think it is right to hide some stuff from thr people, espically if the only thing that stuff is going to do is cause mass panic. Now on the 9/11th thing I honestly don't know. Bush has always been a shady person, like the Kennedys, they have so many skeletons in their closet that if you open the door they all come crashing down. Maybe the goverment did orchestrate this, maybe they didn't, maybe they did.
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darelle this isnt just about the govenment hiding something from us, if these conspiracy theories are in fact true, than that means that our government purposely and ruthelessly killed thousands of americans for their own greedy money hungry, power hungry purposes.
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I wouldn't put it past them but my question is: What would they be gaining out of such an act? The attack didn't cause any surge in money spending it decressed so how would the government be gaining anything from this? Maybe the money people donated to the New Yorkers I've heared some didn't get the money donated or it maybe gave Bush an excuse to go to war (he loves that doesn't he). I just can't logically see how Bush or the government could gain money, power, anything from 9/11. It actually was doing the oposite. It showed we weren't as powerful as we thought we were and we lost a ton of money.
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:clap Excellent topic Michele!

Erin I can tell you what was to gain, the erosion of our civil liberties, which has happened with the Patriot Act and the latest Military Commissions Act (forget the actual name) where if the government decides you are aiding terrorists in any way you will be arrested and detained and prosecuted with evidence they won't even let you see to defend yourself against! As soon as 9/11 happened, laws which were ALREADY WRITTEN were pushed through Congress which began the slow dismantling of the Constitution. Now the government can wiretap telephone conversations without a warrant, view your internet actitivity without letting you know about it. Also, 9/11 gave this government an excuse to launch an unjustified war against a country that was no threat to us. Saddam was bad yes, but lies upon lies were told to the people of the world to invade that country, thousands of lives lost on LIES! And the supposed mastermind behind 9/11 is still out there? Where is the logic in that?

As for 9/11 being an inside job, I wholeheartedly believe it to be true. Michele I can't buy the passengers still living thing. There were people on those planes. I believe Flight 93 was shot down. The two planes that flew into the Twin Towers were being radio controlled, it accounted the the plane being able to make the precision turns and targeting from a supposed pilot whose skills make it an impossibility for a novice as he was supposed to have been. The Pentegone was not hit by a commercial airliner. What it was I don't know, but it wasn't a jumbo jet.

People argue the towers fell because of the jet fuel, but the fuel exploded upon contact and could not have leaked into the inside steel framing and melt it!

And Darelle the people should be told the truth no matter what, I think its evil and totalarian to suppress and mislead the nation under the excuse of not "causing a panic", are we a bunch of pussies or what? A nation that wants to be coddled and catered to with nothing but sweet news is an enslaved nation that deserves to crumble apart!
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Erin monetarily what our government had to gain was an excuse to go to war in the middle east, the goal being to gain control of the oil in the region. Also, in the movie it talks about how there was about 1 billion dollars worth of gold being stored in the twin towers and according to that movie, over 300 million of that gold was removed from the twin towers right after the first plane hit the north tower, as if they knew it was going to happen. And, there was insider trading going a few days prior where a shitload of boeing, american airlines and delta were sold (was delta the other airline? Whichever one it was), for each company stock was sold between 4 times to 10 times the normal rate in just one day, so billions of dollars were made that way. But I think the majority of money and power to be made from this and the reason it was done by our government was to go to war in the middle east and gain control of the land and wealth over there and to take away our constitutional rights and slowly turn this country into a dictatorship.

Jesse, there may have been or probably was people in the planes that hit the twin towers, but I really dont believe that a plane hit the pentagon, and if the movie is presenting acurately, it doesnt seem that an actual plane went down in PA, so where are those people that were supposedly on those planes? Are they government lab rats now?
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damn it, I forgot to log in again! That was me that just posted.
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The plane was shot down, but by going what you are saying then I'd say those people were given to the alien overlords for experimentation!

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lol!

well according to the movie, there was no actual plane wreckage in PA, mostly a big huge ditch and some scrap metal and according to the somerset county coronor, he reported that there were no bodies. And, a phyisist did an experiment after 9/11 testing cell phone usage on planes and different altitudes. And at 32,000 ft, cell phones do not work at all. Past a few thousand feet, they rarely work pretty much. And they played one of the phone calls from the supposed passenger from flight 93 who called his mom and the man said to his mom "hi mom, this is Mark so and so" I forget what his last name was, but he said his first and his last name when identifying himself to his mom. Who would say their full name to their family members?
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[size=1]its all a lie...[/size]
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I don't want to believe the US government did this to its own people, and then had the cheek to call everyone else terroroists when they are the biggest terrorists of them all! It's just too much for me to want to accept. Doesn't mean it's not true I know but I would want to explore other options and versions of events before I believe that.

I admit some of it looks fishy, but there is probably a documentary or someone out there who can explain about why the towers would collapse as they did, those novice pilots could have had the knowledge it took to just fly towards a big target, they had experience of taking off and landing planes on a simulator. I agree about flight 93, I think there is a good chance it was shot down, hence the quick release of that movie calling them all heroes, of course the families would rather have dead heros than just the dead. And I read it was only 5 minutes from being shot down anyway...they were planning to do it and would have before it reached a target had it not crashed. It's harsh but that's the right decision....those lives on the plane were lost either way. So I think they would have shot it down.
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The London bombings were orchestrated by elements within the British government!
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:shock to make us support Bush's war of terror???

In Borat the movie he says that and I love the turn of phrase!!!
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there is no explanation as to how the buildings could collaspe after only being on fire on several floors for just an hour! The only explanation is that there were numerous explosives! Many people in the buildings and firmen testified that they heard anywhere from 2-6 explosives go off in the building after the plane hit it.

Jane, you should watch the movie! Go to loosechange911.com
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Opponents cling to the jet fuel story, ignoring footage even of the fuel tank explosion upon impact!
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in the movie experts testify that titanium steel can only be melted at 3000 degrees and jet fuel only reaches a peak temp of 2000 degrees.
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They factor in other burning materials in teh building to reach that melting temp. Doesn't wash with me of course but that is what they argue.
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there is no explanation as to how the buildings could collaspe after only being on fire on several floors for just an hour!

Not true. Jet fuel burns a hell of a lot hotter than a normal fire and the builds were filled with it not to mention other gasses and fuels that's in the building normally. The structeral beems may not have been hot enough to break but the shit holding them together can break from that heat. Plus the building had a hug hole in it! As for the plane in PA with no bodies it's called jet fuel and it was shot out of the sky by the military so no bodies would have been found because they all burned up! it was the same with the wtc bodies and plane. With the pentagon it was hit Rick's mom's best friend's husband worked there and if that side wasn't under construction that day he would have been dead so yes a plane did hit. Where did it go? Again uncontroled burning of jet fuel and the building fell in on it.

As for the excuse to go to war Bush doesn't need a fucking excuse hense the curent war. He just makes the shit up as he goes along. Really Bush had nothing to gain out of it.
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funny how jet fuel completely dissolves 4 planes and everyone aboard and completely disinigrates 2 110 story skyscrapers yet there has never been another plane crash in recorded history where the jet fuel completely vaporises not only the plane but all of the bodies. No way that jet fuel crashing in a field in PA would completely dissolve the plane and all of the bodies, shot down or not that doesnt matter. There are ALWAYS bodies and parts of the plane left over in a plane crash. The pentagon was definately hit, but not by a commercial jet. Either a small military plane or a missle.

Bush did use 9/11 as an excuse to go to war with Iraq, even though they were blaming Bin Laden for it, Bush tried to make it look like Iraq and Bin Landen were connected when they were not at all. And he has plenty to gain from war, ALL OF THAT GLORIOUS OIL!
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