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Derblutsaguer Feb 1 2007, 05:09 AM Post #61
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Yes Litith Adam's first "smart" wife (whom was expelled from Paradise by Ywewh for being too independent), unlike eve who was Subserviant to Adam (or as I would like to think, Dumb as a crate rocks and didn't know it)
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This article is very interesting to me, as I've been talking about the "law of attraction" and the "univesal mind" for the past ten years. I don't like the comment at the end though, which comes from the agenda behind the website itself. Funny, how it was meant as a warning and yet the article is drawing me right into seeking this movie.

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/articles/...ails-secret-htm

Last year's film release, The Secret, makes no secret about it's intentions: to let the world know that humanity is on the brink of a new era. This new era will open up to humanity unleashed power, riches, creativity and all that we ever dreamed of. A "secret" that has been locked away for centuries is now available to all.

The film, available only on DVD or online, is promoted by celebrities like Oprah and Larry King, and according to one celebrity on the film (Dr. Joe Vitale), in just a few days (Feb. 8th), Oprah will air a special about the film. Such promotion has helped to make the film an incredibly popular one, as can be seen by Amazon ranking, which puts the DVD in the #1 position for DVDs. According to a News & Observer article, "'Secret' Spreads Around the World," 700,000 copies of the DVD have sold since its release last March.

News & Observer explains just how this "Secret" works:

In the film, viewers learn to ask for what they want. And, if they believe it, they will receive it.

It sounds simple enough, but here's the catch: If you're cynical, sad, depressed and resigned that nothing will change, nothing will. Thoughts are so powerful, the teachers insist, that you attract what you think about, even if you don't want it. Get it?1
It's these "teachers," both ones from the past and present day ones, that The Secret uses to reveal this hidden knowledge. Present day teachers include Jack Canfield (Chicken Soup for the Soul), John Gray (Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus), and an assortment of philosophers, writers, and visionaries who share their insights on the "Secret":
"We have a magnificent inner calling, vision, mission, power inside us that we are not honoring and harnessing," says philosopher and "Secret" teacher John Demartini in a recent telephone interview. "This movie brings it to the forefront that we can [harness that power]."2
Larry King calls the DVD the "most profound information he has run across in 40 years."

The film focuses on the "law of attraction" and was produced by Australian-born screenwriter and producer Rhonda Byrne, who after a series of setbacks in her own life, discovered that past personalities like Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, William Shakespeare, Abraham Lincoln and others had this secret knowledge, and Byrne came to believe that it "was part of every religion, including Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism."

In the trailer of the movie, it begins by showing a genie from a lamp, who tells the beholder "your wish is my command." Research analyst Ray Yungen explains this concept:
[T]the genie represent the Higher Self, who was reached through meditation by staring at the flame of an oil lamp. It was believed that a person could have whatever he or she wanted, once in touch with it. Our word genius comes from this Latin word for spirit guide and now means a person with great creative power.3
The premise of this is that we all have a divine essence within us, and we just need to get in touch with it. In other words, as panentheists teach, God is in all of creation, including all human beings, and once a person becomes aware of this, there are no limits to what he can achieve. Yungen elaborates:
Once a person merges with the Higher Self, he is on his way to empowerment, meaning he is capable of creating his own reality. Basically, all power is within the Higher Self, so when one is in tune with it, he can run his own show....

Metaphysicians believe that we all create our own circumstances anyway, so when we are guided and empowered by our Higher Self, we can consciously co-create with it.4
What is so alarming about The Secret is that it shares the same mystical view as the contemplative prayer movement, which is that all is one. The Secret film constantly makes reference to "the universal mind." This is the same mindset that Thomas Merton, Henri Nouwen, and Tilden Edwards had. Listen:
"The human family is one in God's spirit"--Edwards5

Thomas Merton said he believed that all religions share "the experience of divine light"6

Nouwen believed that "it is in the heart of God that we can come to the full realization of the unity of all that is"7
The "universal mind" in The Secret is the same as the unity of all that exists and this is exactly what is found among the "Christian" contemplative masters.

With the church's fascination and embracing of meditation through the contemplative prayer movement (i.e., spiritual formation), the film further gives the green light to millions of Christians to be ushered deeper into mysticism. While less than a million people have thus far bought the DVD, everyone knows that when a product has Oprah's signature of approval on it, sales automatically soar to astronomical levels, and Christian women are a huge segment of Oprah's audience.

Without exaggeration, meditation is becoming an integral part of our society, in every facet: education, business, government, entertainment, health and religion. And with most Christian leaders promoting contemplative spirituality to at least some degree, Christendom is being affected dramatically. When Alice Bailey, who coined the term New Age and was instructed by her spirit guide, said that the age of enlightenment was going to come, not around the Christian church but rather through it, her "prophecy" may be coming to pass. Just last year, Fox Home Entertainment released a film called Be Still, an infomercial for contemplative prayer, in which numerous well known and highly respected Christian leaders took part. And nearly every major online Christian bookstore is selling books that promote New Age style meditation, which has a premise that all paths lead to God and divinity is within every human being thus removing the need for a Savior. If this promotion and embracing of meditation keeps up, then there really will be "a new era for humankind." But it will be an era that the Bible warns about when it says: Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons."

This coming week, when Oprah shows her special about the The Secret, please be praying that women (and men) watching this show will see this as further seduction into a mystical realm that is void of the gospel of the true God and Light, Jesus Christ.

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1. http://www.newsobserver.com/105/story/538825.html
2. Ibid.
3. For Many Shall Come in My Name, 1st Ed.,p. 14.
4. Ibid., pp. 11-12.
5. A Time of Departing, 2nd ed., p. 43.
6. Ibid., p. 60.
7. Ibid., p. 63.


This article or excerpt was posted on February 3, 2007@ 1:04 pm .
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That is really interesting Jesse. I do believe there is something in positive thinking, although I've also heard that positive people tend to notice the good tungs that happen more and not focus on the negative and vice versa.



I'm also interested in something I heard "asking the god's for things." Like if you really want something there is meant to be a way you can ask for it and get it. But what you think you want might not be the right thing for you so it could bring negative things.....
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Denovissimus Feb 16 2007, 05:24 PM Post #64
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Forgot to mention that I got the movie and hopefully will watch this weekend, and post my thoughts on it, as well as explore more the conception of the Law of Attraction (praise it).
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Didn't find the time this weekend for the movie, but came across a warning from Christians about the whole thing. Anything which makes them nervous would intrigue me!

http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/articles/...m-thesecret-htm
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Will Something Begin In A Few Days, On July 4?
Added: Jun 20th, 2007 7:24 AM

RAIDERS NEWS UPDATE EXCLUSIVE

David Flynn realeses potentially explosive news regarding this 4th of July

June, 2007

Editor's note: Tom Horn received the information below yesterday. He has forwarded part of the private message from David Flynn, one of Tom's favorite geniuses. Dave may have uncovered astonishing information concerning this 4th of July and the Roswell UFO incident.

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Tom,

Although I won't be joining the information exchange in Roswell this 4th of July in person, I have some info about this years event. For the last 2 years I've become aware that something very significant is going on with the July 4th date throughout history and will be especially important this 2007. Apart from the connection the 4th has with the Roswell incident in the "Cydonian" year 1947, the symbology of the holiday itself connects with the ufo phenomena, Mars and the nephilim.

For example:

On the 4th of July the sun rises in center the constellation Gemini, the zodiac sign that is represented by "pillars" in its astrological glyph. This is significant with respect to the celestial maps of the early Greeks. Ptolemy assigned the "0" meridian of the heavens at Sirius, the brightest northern star. With the 0 meridian aligned on Sirius, the line continues through the exact center of Gemini, dividing it.

When I checked Skyglobe for the location of Sirius during the morning of the 4th of July in 2007 (7:07 AM) it appears on the horizon at the exact time the sun reaches 19.47 degrees above the horizon. This alignment occurs in the morning when viewed from the latitude of 33 degrees at the location of Roswell New Mexico, or any place on earth at 33 degrees latitude on July 4th.

Because the precession moves only one degree every 72 years, the 19.47 alignment of the sun and Sirius on July 4th will end after the year 2013 and began around 1940.

Between the years 1776 and 2013, due to precession, the zodiac will have moved 3.3 degrees from its position relative the sun. When Declaration of Independence was adopted in July 4th 1776, (America's division from England) the Sun stood only 16.3 degrees above the horizon when Sirius was on the horizon.

The theme of division of time and space continues in the calendar placement of July 4th itself exactly in the middle of the year. There are 182 days between the 1st of January and the 4th of July. 182.5 x 2 = 365 days. If the suggestion of pillars of Gemini as the number "11" is taken into account, it is perhaps no coincidence that the year 2007 divided by 11 also equals 182.5.

The Gematria values of the name of Jacob is 182, and because Jacob's name was changed to "Israel" by God, Israel can also be pronounced "Yesh - ral" literally meaning "There is 231" according to the early Kabbalists. Sefer Yetzira 2:4

There are 231 years from 1776 to 2007

The sum of latitude 38.5 and longitude 77 of Washington DC is 115.5. The sum of Jerusalem's longitude and latitude is 66.6
66.6 + 115.5 = 182.

The sum of latitude and longitude of Washington DC, 115.9 doubled = 231

....Washington and Jerusalem are linked in an Pythagorean "all is number" manner. Even the date for the rebirth of Israel 1948, a year that spans 1947 in the Hebrew calendar has 66.6 years until Dec 21 2012.

Washington DC's longitude, 77 degrees x 66.6 = 5128.5, Washington's exact distance from Jerusalem.

America's independence year is interactive with the "high number" 33 and the binding and release of Jerusalem by Babylon:

1776 / 3.3 = 538 (538 BC, fall of Babylon and release of the Jews from captivity)

17.76 x 33 = 586 (586 BC, fall of Jerusalem beginning of captivity of the Jews in Babylon)

The longitude of Washington DC is 77........................77 x 3 = 231

The topographical layout of Washington DC was designed as an occult tribute to the Isis- Osiris religion of the Egyptians. The greatest obelisk in the world is there, symbolizing Osiris phallus, the lost piece of his dismembered body, without which Osiris could not be brought back to life in the flesh. The cryptic presence of the virgin Isis is also represented in Washington DC strategically situated between "Mary" land and "Virgin"ia. Isis was reputed to have immaculately conceived the reincarnated form of Osiris as Horus "the sun" after Osiris was dismembered.

Osiris was killed twice, strangely, the first was by being sealed in an "ark" and set afloat, the second , dismembered and scattered in the same manner as the knowledge of the Watchers and population of earth in fall of tower of Babel. Osiris' phallus was swallowed by a fish. The age of Pisces began about 2160 years ago, it will end near 2012 at the age of Aquarius.

The star Sirius also represented Osiris in Egyptian cosmology. Its rising and falling coordinated the Egyptian calendar as an allegoric narrative to his death- rebirth as well as the cycle of the rise and fall of ages. More over the Isis Osiris myth embodied the deeper meaning of the loss of knowledge once having been given to men by "gods" that descended from heaven in the beginning of civilization on earth. Obelisks commemorated the lost regenerative part of Osiris' body that needed to be recovered in order for the next age of rule by the gods could begin.

The Kabalists consider the number 231 as "gates" of creation itself. It would follow that the illuminati understand this and are using the same occult techniques in a wide sense to move into the creation of the New World Order headed by the Antichrist and overseen by the Watchers

The year 2012 I think is pinned down as the end of the age by the Revelation dragon that sweeps 1/3rd of the stars to the earth. If this image is taken as a pictorial representation of the circular movement of the celestial north pole around Draco and especially, 1/3rd of the full circuit of precession, it demonstrates something phenomenal.

The tail of Draco lies along 1/3rd of the path that the celestial north pole moves around Draco in one circuit of precession (25,920 years). 1/3rd of that duration is 8,640 years.

To equal 8,640 years one counts backwards 6,660! years from the anchor point of 33 AD ... and forwards from 33 AD, 1,980 years.

6,660 + 1,980 = 8,640 years

33 AD + 1,980 years falls on 2012/2013 AD

2013 - 1947 = 66

2013 - 2007 = 6

Even the number 1,980 is based on 33 and 6

60 x 33 = 1,980

By using the Gregorian calendar- or "watcher" calendar in Latin, the calculations fit into a Roman measure of years or taken an occult step further... a Martian measurement of years. This timeing is anchored to the point in which Jesus RESURRECTED from the dead when he was 33 years old. One third of precessional time will culminate in 33 x 60 + 33 years from the birth of Jesus or 33 x 60 from the resurrection of Jesus according to the Watcher calendar.

One last point:

The span of exactly 2,000 days will remain between the 4th of July 2007 until December 21st 2012. This is 5.55555555 x 360 day years. Why is this important?

The prophet Daniel counts the last "week" of years before the Messiah returns in 360 day years. At the midpoint of the 7 year countdown, 1,260 days, the Antichrist kills the two witnesses and defiles the rebuilt temple of Jerusalem.

After 3 days the two witnesses will be resurrected and rise into heaven. If one counts 1,260 days backwards from December 21st, 2012 AD,(3 DAYS before CHRISTMAS!) the date falls on the week of the 7th of July, 2009, 3 days after "INDEPENDENCE day".

According to Daniel, the 7 year countdown begins at the start of sacrifice on the temple mount in Jerusalem. This could well commence at "Independence" day 2009. After 1,260 days on December 21st 2012 the two witnesses are killed in Jerusalem and left laying in the streets for 3 days. During this 3 days before Christmas the ritual of sending gifts takes place. How ironic would it be that on the culmination of this pagan holiday on the 25th, a holiday supposing to worship the birth of Christ with "buying and selling", set in Gregorian calendar purportedly anchored to his birth, that the resurrection of the witnesses occurs?

"And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth...And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city,... where also our Lord was crucified...And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and SHALL SEND GIFTS ONE TO ANOTHER; And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet;...And they ascended up to heaven IN A CLOUD;"

Note this promise:

"...the DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST:Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them IN THE CLOUDS." 1Thes 4:16,17

Might it be deduced from these passages that the two witnesses constitute part of "the dead in Christ" and therefore those alive in Christ will rise immediately after the two witnesses?

Is this then, the meaning of 2012? Is it the reason the number of the year is so inextricably connected with the resurrection of Christ at 33? Is 2012 the "great year of mystery" spoken of by Enoch?

This scenario seems to fit the "mid- tribulation" rapture theory. However, because of errors in interpretation of the actual "time of Jacobs trouble" a duration of only 3 & 1/2 years- the 7 year "tribulation" is in actuality a time DIVIDED by 3 &1/2 years of false peace set up by the Antichrist and a second half of divine judgment over the whole earth for the next 3 & 1/2 years. This fulfills not only the "pre-wrath" version of the rapture but also the understanding that the Antichrist will "war with the saints" in the first half of the 7 year countdown before the Messiah returns.

It is a mind boggling and exciting prospect to say the least. However, I am only cracking the numbers. God is sovereign. I am not giving prophecy or saying that this is THE way it will happen, only that it makes better chronological sense than any timeline I've ever seen. It also make the occult meaning of the 4th of July very, very powerful indeed.
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I still agree with my Step-father that Jesus was a Space alien :alien
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Perhaps he was, at least half an alien

I ascribed more to his Being than that though
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Although turning water to wine would totally kick ass at parties
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Iran, Hezbollah and Crop Circles?
Added: Jul 29th, 2007 10:02 AM

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L. A. Marzulli

July 29, 2007 -- RaidersNewsNetwork.com -- Recently Mahmood Amedihijahd, the president of Iran has hinted that there will be a summer war in the region to rid the area of its enemies, think Israel here. For those who have followed his ongoing vitriol against Israel this is nothing new except that he’s announced a definitive time frame, this summer.

In the recent past Ahmedinejhad has declared that, the holocaust didn’t exist, that Israel is a withered tree soon to be plucked by it’s roots and that the tiny nation should be wiped off the map. There’s not much wiggle room in those statements. It’s not like Israel and the Iranians are going to sit down and chat about their political differences soon. Facts are that Iran has backed the terror organization Hezbollah, who’s leader Hasan Nesrallah has sworn to destroy Israel and has recently boasted that the new rockets that he received – thanks again to the Iranians – can reach everywhere in Israel.

You may remember last summer when Hezbollah attacked Israel resulting in a war that Israel clearly won, having knocked Hezbollah from its position in southern Lebanon. Nesrallah, who probably holed up in Iran during the conflict, reemerged after the dust had cleared, promptly declared victory for Hezbollah. How’s that for spin?

It is documented that many of the weapons that Hezbollah armed itself with came from Iran, by way of Syria. Recently Ahmedinejhad paid a visit to the Syrians and discussed regional politics. This led to the statement I quoted from in the beginning of the article about a summer war in the region.

The Israeli’s have not been sitting idly by doing nothing. Various postings from Israeli news agencies have hinted that they have been preparing for this, ‘summer war’ and are bracing for an all out conflict.

Former Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has declared, "It’s 1939 and Iran is Germany." Make no mistake that Netanyahu is a man who has been involved in the ongoing Middle Eastern Conflict from almost the beginning. So it just may be that unless cooler heads prevail a full-scale war with dire consequences could envelop the entire region.

So how does this relate to crop circles? I’m glad you asked.

Recently there was a posting by a crew of researchers based in England who set up cameras around a field hoping to document what was responsible for the hundreds of crop circles that have manifested in the fields throughout England for several decades. Here is the link, which will take you directly to the story and show you what the circle looked like.

http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/hea...cle_mystery.php

What makes this particular crop circle interesting is that because the field was surrounded with cameras, it assures us that pranksters – who have admittedly designed some of the circles – were not responsible for this one. The film crew stated that they believe the circle was made in four microseconds. In other words the technology that was used in making the crop circle is beyond our current understanding of the physics.

What adds to this is the sighting of an enormous UFO over the English Channel several weeks ago. Two different pilots sighted the mile wide ship separately.

Let’s say for the sake of argument that the phenomena of both the crop circle and the UFO are real. Would that change what you believe? Would you have to rethink your worldview – your religion, ethics? Morality?

Here’s where I think this all going. One of the most poignant of ancient prophecies is found in Ezekiel, chapter 38 & 39. To summarize it tells of the nation of Israel being gathered from the four corners of the earth and reestablished in their homeland of Israel. Immediately afterward a confederacy of nations attack and Israel responds with what I believe is the use of their nuclear arsenal. Of course they will use this as a last resort but from the text it appears that they are about to be overrun by an overwhelmingly superior military ground invasion. So the Israeli response is one of survival.

Adding to this is another text roughly 2,000 years old, which tells of "men fainting from fear from what is coming on the earth." (Luke 21:26)

Here’s a possible scenario that I believe we might be looking at in the near future. Israel is attacked simultaneously by a confederacy of nations. When it looks like they are about to be overrun they respond with their nuclear arsenal – neutron bomb. Immediately following that, mile-wide UFO’s manifest in the sky over Jerusalem and other capitals of the world. The reason for this is that these ‘aliens’ will declare that they genetically manipulated us thousands of years ago and in fact are our progenitors. They will then proceed to tell us that the religions of the world were, in fact their doing and that the miracles of Jesus, Moses and others were manipulated by E. T. Here’s an excerpt from my new book Politics, Prophecy & the Supernatural. It goes into detail of this and is available in book stores or by going to www.spiraloflife.com

Chapter 14—The Coming Great Deception and Luciferian Endgame

It is time to create an amalgamation of the three areas of the study of this book: politics, prophecy, and the supernatural. Following is an outline that gives an overview of the most pertinent points.

The ongoing struggle in the Middle East is cause for great concern to all the nations of the world. The jihadists of radical Islam are bent on destroying the state of Israel and the "Great Satan" (i.e. The United States). Hamas and Hezbollah are in fact at war with Israel and are ramping up for another attack. Al-Qaeda will join forces with

Hezbollah and Hamas to attack their sworn enemy, Israel. The prophecies found in the Bible are 100 percent accurate and reflect a "God" who knows the future because he is outside our space-time continuum.

The Fatima apparition changed the worldview of thousands of people in an instant and could very well be the harbinger of worldwide deception. Those who were in the field that day, who saw the "miracle of the sun," for the most part became believers that the apparition was of Mary. As I have pointed out earlier, I believe this was a deception and that the apparition was not the Mary of the Gospels. There are supernatural events currently taking place on a global scale.

It seems the existence of UFOs and alien abductions are supernatural events that are orchestrated by fallen angels/Satanic forces. Prophecies written over twenty-six hundred years ago describe a time in history where a confederacy of nations will come up against Israel described as, "a land of unwalled villages."

Israel will respond to this attack by using its nuclear arsenal.

Shortly after the war between Israel and the jihadists, great supernatural events will manifest on the earth (as I have discussed regarding the "great rebellion" in 2 Thess. 2.)

The following is a scenario that I hope will never happen; however, I believe that we might see something along the lines of what I am about to propose. The Ezekiel 38-39 war will unfold as the prophecy indicates, and those nations that come against the "land of unwalled villages" (Israel) will be destroyed by a nuclear response. The world will watch all of this in horror, just as it watched the coverage of the Lebanon war this past summer (2006).

I believe that this nuclear exchange will be the trigger for the supernatural to manifest.

I have a theory regarding this and it is that Satan and his cohorts will use this nuclear exchange as the event they need to manifest the UFOs over multiple cities on earth. The timing will be perfect, as the world will be holding its collective breath as it witnesses the destruction not only in the Middle East but in the United States as well. The world will be ready to embrace a "savior" to end the senseless destruction. While this might sound extreme, I point to the text from Luke 21:26, "Men will faint from terror, apprehension of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken" (NIV). It will be the beginning of the Great Deception. This deception is that the ET’s are here to help us through this time of chaos, that they are true progenitors, and that they have created numerous holy men, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, to try to enlighten us. They will say that they will show us who God is. Remember the quote from the alleged Pleiadian cosmonaut, Semjase? We will be told something very similar to the lie that Semjase told Billy Meir, that God is a force. To reiterate, this goes against Judeo/Christian theology in that God is not a force but rather is personal, and we can know Him.

Can you imagine if over the city of Jerusalem and perhaps other cities around the world, UFO craft manifested in broad daylight and remained hovering indefinitely? I believe something along these lines will happen, and when "they" arrive, "they" will tell us the reason "they" have manifested because we resorted to using weapons of mass destruction, or nuclear armaments. They will say they have chosen to intervene at this time because, they will say, they genetically manipulated us, and they want to see us survive as a species. But because of the recent destruction, they have chosen to take action to assure that end.

Will this singular event (the manifestation of UFO craft) change everyone’s worldview, instantaneously? If people see a demonstration of the kind of technology and power that the UFO will demonstrate, coupled with the holographic imagery depicting the miracles of the Bible and other faiths, as I’ve discussed before, most will believe what they are seeing. This will cause the "great falling away" discussed in length in this book. Most people will believe the lie that they see in front of them. Hence, worldviews will be drastically altered.

It is important to remember that the war of the Ezekiel 38-39 prophecy, which will have just transpired between Israel and the jihadists, will be primarily driven by religious reasons and the corresponding religions: Judaism and Christianity, which are based on supernatural events that happened millennia ago (events like the parting of the Red Sea, the ten plagues of Egypt, Jesus rising from the dead on third day, etc., all of which are supernatural occurrences that are part of each religion’s foundation.) Therefore, what if the "aliens" proclaim that they were in fact the supernatural force responsible for creating all of the world’s religions in the first place and that alien technology was responsible for creating the miracles found in the Bible and other "holy" books. Recently on the History channel, Barry Downing, author of The Bible and Flying Saucers and a Presbyterian minister, expounded on this theory by saying that Jesus’ resurrection occurred when he – Jesus—was beamed up from earth by a flying saucer. He also believes that the pillar of cloud that is described in the book of Exodus was a UFO and was also responsible for the parting of the Red Sea. 1.

I quote from Downing’s writing because he is discussing the Ascension of Jesus. He is equating it to direct intervention from a UFO. Here is what he says:

" . . but I very much suspect that the ascension cloud was the same UFO which led the Israelites through the Red Sea, gave Moses the commandments, carried Elijah to heaven, "descended" like a dove at the baptism of Jesus, perhaps carried away bodily at the Ascension. This was probably the same "cloud" which brought two men to meet Jesus at the Mount of Transfiguration, and probably the same type of UFO, which brought angels to the Shepherds at Christmas.2"

Downing embraces, in a nutshell, what I call the "alien gospel," which is synonymous with the subtitle of this book; The Coming Great Deception & the Luciferian Endgame. Simply put, the "alien gospel" will reveal that the "aliens" created humankind by genetically manipulating primitive man (early humans) thousands of years ago; therefore, they are, in fact, our progenitors. Hence, they will present the supposed missing link in human evolution. They will claim that they are responsible for genetically engineering the leap between apes and humans. This, of course, will dovetail neatly with Darwin’s theory of evolution that has been taught now for over a century as a fact, not a theory.

The idea that the aliens, or ET, were directly involved in the miracles and/or supernatural events that are the foundation for the world’s major religions will cause the great deception that will draw people away from what I believe is the truth of the Gospels—and replace it with a lie.

What if the aliens have holographic film of Moses parting the Red Sea or the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus? Imagine seeing the exodus from an aerial view: Moses raising his arms, the waters parting, and the Israelites going through the sea on dry land. Imagine then the aliens claiming that this miracle was really the intervention of extraterrestrials and their superior technology that allows them to manipulate matter.

Or what if the holographic film shows the tomb of Jesus being struck by a brilliant beam of light, and, moments later, the stone is rolled away and Jesus emerges. What if, like the reported apparition at Fatima, we see an image leave the ship and float toward the cave, and we realize that Jesus’ resurrection too is, once again, the intervention of extraterrestrials? Could this deceptive event, or revealing, be the catalyst that will cause the great falling away or apostasy that is described in 2 Thessalonians 2 in the Bible?

I believe that everyone seeing this holographic film will "realize" this new "truth" and will embrace it. All of the old prejudices and wars that have been fought for centuries over religious beliefs will fall, of their own weight, in the light of this new revelation. This will be the beginning of a one world religious system described in the book of Revelation: "All the inhabitants of earth will worship the beast" (emphasis added) (NIV). Millions will be caught up in the deception and the great falling away, the Apostasy, as I discussed earlier will be complete.

I know the scenario I just described is fantastic, but let me remind you of the writings of Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:9 where he says that Satan comes with all "signs and lying wonders."

I think the church has underestimated the power of the Luciferian Endgame, as it has used the comfort of a pretribulation rapture as panacea for the deception that might befall every man, women, and child on the earth. Remember too that Jesus himself warns, "For false Christ’s and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible" (emphasis added) (NIV, Matt. 24:24).

I believe that the seemingly unrealistic scenario that I have described above very well may be the Luciferian "Endgame." In other words, I believe that fallen angels disguised as aliens will in fact manifest and lay claims to the creation of the human species and execution of the miracles that have happened on earth; this will be the great "lie" against which the Bible warns. Although this may sound preposterous, in the "Supernatural" part of this book, UFO sightings, the Fatima apparitions, Mothman prophecies, crop circles, and the abduction phenomenon are just a few examples of supernatural events that either have occurred or are occurring in real time. I believe that these supernatural events are harbingers of something far worse than the evil forces that have already come upon the earth. So why will people believe the lie, which will state that aliens are our creators and the force behind all miracles on earth? Let us examine the reason.
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The "lie" from the aliens will not be a "lie", it will be the truth, but the aliens will be evil and will furhter try to usher in a new world order and one world "religion". This is so that mankind is further distracted from what the true alien agenda would be, the harvesting of human souls.
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some interesting reading material

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolit...olitics_ZZE.htm
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Julesy Nov 27 2007, 10:40 PM Post #73
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im reading this now
hopefully i can understand it
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Feel free to ask questions. I read the whole thing. Very interesting. I've come across such things before.
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what is it? I clicked on it and "I got server could not be found"
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I am with Jules. This is hardto understand. I must sit back and read it.
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Jesus was nothing but a man turned into a God by his subjects.
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I have heard the story before, of the secret evil beings controlling this world, who will use advanced technology that we are not aware of to project holograms in the sky of an alien attack or the appearance of the messiah. Quite crafty and insidious. I think it would work too, but I do not know how long these holograms can be sustained.

I am aware of the chemtrail thing. I do not know if I've correctly seen them, all I 've seen are the trails left by jets but you would think with technology today they wouldn't leave such trails. But there are stories of mysterious residue left after certain kinds of chemtrails. Native Americans had this prophecy regarding the end times of sorts, and spiderwebs crisscrossin the sky. Chemtrails?

Interesting.
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This is a related site, very interesting topics, I shall begin with the Rebellion in Heaven and the Fall of Man...after all, it always seems to begin there.

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/masterfile.htm
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Despite the biased tone, I found this article very interesting:

Progeny of Cosmic Humanism: The Indigo Child
Added: Mar 7th, 2008 8:18 AM

Debra Rae
RaidersNewsNetwork.com

By claiming to be "Mother Earth’s consciousness," cosmic humanists (otherwise known as New Age mystics) blur the line between physics and metaphysics. To them, all life is energy; composite energy is god; and the promised expectation is "life beyond the grave" by becoming god.

To a New Age occultist, every 2,160 years of cyclic time welcomes a New Age that advances a new global revelation. Enlightened humans serve as "planetary light bearers" who have broken free from a traditional Age of Pieces (Age of the Individual) to forge in its place an illumined Age of Aquarius. This Age of Cosmic (or Christ) Consciousness is distinguished by group interplay and idealism.

Each emerging New Age boasts a Savior (Maitreya) to lead the world into discovery of the "higher self." Some insist that contemporary cosmic consciousness materialized experientially about 30 years ago.

Today, evolution from embryo-god to "Christhood" through multiple reincarnations is no more clearly evident than in the phenomenon of the Indigo Child. Indigos are said to be highly evolved, uniquely gifted youngsters whose mission is to teach their elders and, thus, ensure planetary transformation into a burgeoning golden era of peace and brotherhood.

Homo Noeticus

Whether secular or religious, humanists anticipate emergence of a new, superior species called Homo Noeticus. Many contend that each universal age features a preponderance of people whose auras are assigned a given "life color." Although the present is a Violet Age of transition, indigo colors are destined to become the norm.

Others disagree that "indigo" has anything to do with the color of an aura. Instead, it is the result of "scientific" observations by a woman who has the brain disorder synesthesia. Either way, so-called Indigos go by different names—e.g., Star Kids (alleged offspring of a human with an alien—no joke) or Crystalline Children. Some integrate competing theories by claiming categorizations, as these, speak to different stages of the upward mobility evolutionary process en route to godhood.

Accordingly, it’s become all the rage to record auras of small children in order to pinpoint purported prodigies who purportedly make up an astonishing 90 percent of the population less than ten years of age.

Kryon Capers

Rumor has it that Edgar Cayce foretold emergence of the Indigo Child long before fellow psychic Nancy Ann Tappe coined the term. A 1999 book thusly titled was written (actually "channeled") by Lee Carroll. An economics major, Carroll once ran a technical audio business, but now channels messages from a "higher being" named Kryon (followers of whom are dubbed "Lightworkers"). Supposed messages received contain instructions for spirit communicating, healing and attaining the "next level."

Enter, Lucifer. Meaning "light-bearer," "morning star" or "the shining one," Lucifer appears only once in the Bible and is depicted as one who rebelled against God and, as a consequence, fell as lightening from heaven (Isaiah 14:12; Luke 10:18). Satan’s tempting Eve with the empty promise, "ye shall become as gods," has been repeated bait throughout the ages. Dupes accept that a mass planetary quantum leap via Luciferic Initiation (demon possession broadly known as "transformation") will usher in an anticipated New Age of Aquarius. The earth then will become a sacred planet distinguished by a New International World Order under a New Age "Christ" (actually Antichrist, latter-day visionary to surface as mother of all dictators).

Lightworkers with Attitude

According to the Indigo Children website (owned by Kryon Writings), these youngsters enter the world with feelings of royalty and shameless entitlement. Socially, school is difficult for them, yet self-worth poses no problem. Such children do not respond to "guilt" discipline, nor do they take interest in homework, which to them is flat out boring.

These kids question everything, often in a manner that is not age-appropriate. Because they’re so "advanced" and alert to "better ways" of doing things, Indigo Kids aren’t inclined to obey, wait in line, or participate in ritually-oriented systems. As long as they understand there's a consequence for everything they do, an Idigo will likely behave, but only if adult guidance is perceived as an explanation and not an order.

Not surprisingly, many such children are diagnosed with attention deficit disorder (ADD) or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). The National Institute of Mental Health fingers ADHD as the most commonly diagnosed childhood disorder. Given that some 3 to 5 percent of all school-age children are affected, Kevin Krull (adjunct assistant professor who runs clinical research on cognitive deficits at Texas Children's Hospital) warns of potential danger in misdiagnosing kids as Indigo. ADD youngsters who are not treated can experience declines in IQ and academic performance. Moreover, he adds, they are susceptible to abusing drugs.

Parents with Pride

Labels as ADD or ADHD imply imperfection. Better to believe that one’s child is unusually gifted than victimized by some neuro-biological condition. It’s no wonder that many parents readily fork over big bucks to hear, to the contrary, that the bluish hue of their child’s aura signals mental superiority, coupled with psychic ability.

Significantly, no serious psychologist has undertaken or published a controlled study to demonstrate the Indigo phenomenon, nor can an aura be perceived by ordinary vision. Only certain people with paranormal powers can perceive it. Nevertheless, in addressing the child’s special needs, parents and teachers commandeer new tactics deemed appropriate to an Indigo Child’s distinctive psychological attributes.

Presumably representing "a new kind of evolution of humanity," such children require nontraditional care and training—not drugs like Ritalin or assignment to some gifted program. Rather than administer tried-and-true disciplinary consequences for the Indigo’s aberrant attitudes and behaviors, an on-board parent treats Little Derwood as a god unto himself.

For example, as if to underscore her child’s exceptionality, one Indigo parent admits freely that "we're not raising him; he's raising us." Perhaps she’s unwilling to discipline, or could it be that she’s suffering from "a big cerebral cortex" of her own (Shermer, Skeptic Magazine)? Whatever the case, the Super Nanny no doubt has a word or two in response to her laissez-faire, child rearing strategy. A retired school teacher, I’m with the Super Nanny!

Evolved Consciousness

The one thing all believers concede is that the gifted and "sensitive" Indigo is here to teach us a lesson. In their view, an Indigo’s "evolved consciousness" serves as a bridge to the future, the mission for which is creating a one-world order devoid of pesky nationalism, traditionalism and fundamentalism. The Indigo Child phenomenon is all about a new mindset for this up-and-coming New World Order.

Indeed, Jesuit theologian and patron saint of the New Age, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin noted that evolution of consciousness eventually leads to a "global mindset" whose "planetary nervous network" forges a so-called "Omega Point." Accomplished through a variety of centering techniques, this climactic "peak experience" is believed to culminate in union with the Cosmic Christ. Given this process, repeated over time, Indigos eventually will replace all others and, thus, fulfill the humanist’s call for "a new species."

Indigent Indigo Indignities

The difference between an Indigo and, well, a "brat" is that the former "seem to have a light in their eyes." To the New Age occultist, a master (or adept) is considered to be enlightened—that is, "to have fire in the eyes." This, my friend, is a throwback to sun worship, suggesting an evolutionary process in reverse!

As very small children, these "old souls" are said to have unusually large, clear eyes, an amazing memory and strong desire to live instinctively. They possess great intuition, as well as spiritual discernment to recognize the presence of ethereal beings (angels, for example). Some demonstrate gifts of healing; others recall "past lives." Politically correct Indigos teach people about protecting whales and the tropical rain forest.

Indigo Kids do not agree with the way society runs things. To them, adults are dim-witted and have little to offer. One Indigo parent credits her child as being her "biggest teacher." Her baby, she claims, was born with an inherent knowledge of art, language and spirituality, not to mention an impressive wealth of wisdom.

Precocious Indigos disdain society's strange, alien ways; however, when they become teens, some forfeit their abilities in attempting to conform. In contrast, nonconforming Indigos are prone to do drugs, steal and end up homeless. An Indigo boy expressed desire to shoot people "because no one could stop him." Another collects crystals, stones and fossils. Without anyone having to tell her, she claims to have known instinctually that vibrations would heal bones if she put stones on her cat while it was purring.

Indigo or Indulged?

For parents whose children are unmanageable, the prospect of spawning gifted progeny bodes well. An "advanced" Indigo child is excused from mores to which others are held accountable. The added bonus is that a parent or teacher is "off the hook" when it comes to disciplining the Indigo. Highly evolved Indigos—hope of the burgeoning New Age—are given license to rule the roost and call the shots. Unfortunately, society is no better for it—nor is the overly indulged child.
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