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| BR | Apr 7 2006, 05:08 PM Post #661 |
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Hehe thanks you two. That'll help.AGoI, cool! ![]() Say, DP... I notice you have especial talent finding good pics for siggehs. ^_^; For my sig, if you could, would you find me pics of Terra and BB, together or seperate, and of FMA's Ranfan (sometimes Lanfan)? I'd very much appreciate it. ![]() EDIT: To be clear! The Naruto gang is just outside Spring Church, correct? Inside Spring Church there's a huge hole in the floor. At the bottom of which is Church Cave, where WrathJack, Klonoa, and chaos are. There's a huge gate in Church Cave which leads to the Underworld. Grim took them all across the river Acheron and went back. Now they're stranded on the other side of the river in the Underworld. They are now on a path through a dark forest of dead trees (each tree, BTW, has a dead person hanging from a noose on it, just FYI) at the end of which is the City of Dis. The City of Dis is built so that you go down farther and farther into it, like huge stairs with buildings on each stair. Gollum is leading them to the lowest visible level, the Eighth Circle. Below that, there's one more circle: Judecca, the Ninth Circle. But more on that later. X_O Any questions? In other words: They're not on a boat. |
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| GoldenSama | Apr 8 2006, 11:38 AM Post #662 |
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>.> Yes. Um. I, uh, should read better. <.< |
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| BR | Apr 8 2006, 01:45 PM Post #663 |
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It's totally not the fault of your reading, GS.You know what I most known for, don't you? >:3 VAGUENESS!! Muhahaha!
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| AGodofIrony | Apr 8 2006, 08:44 PM Post #664 |
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Errr...Is Axel and his supportives okay to use? I still need permission, and King Goobot needs to be killed off. Anyone who wants to kill him can, he's wandering around Spring Lighthouse. |
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| BR | Apr 8 2006, 09:41 PM Post #665 |
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Permission granted. Tell the truth I have no idea where the concept of needing approval came from. Not from me! PHILOSOPHY IN SW2?! WTF?! Yep. Even here. I wanna discuss what's up with the two Als. Let's assume that Al's soul was not brought back from the Gate. That there are three: the Al that was born, the Al that was created by Ed and bound to the 'tin can,' and the Al that was created by Ed and bound to a body. Now... are they all the same person. First: Armor-Al. Imagine a ship. A pirate ship, ooooh. The sail breaks; you replace it. The mast breaks; you replace it. One by one you replace every single part of the ship until it contains NONE of the original physical atoms that made it up. Is it the same ship? In the same way, about once a year I think, every single atom in your body is replace with an atom that was not in your body by way of decaying and creating cells. In other words, like the ship we are replaced part by part fairly frequently until we contain nothing of our original selves. If you say that the first ship and the second ship are different ships, then you are saying that you now and a you a year from now are different people. If you say that you now and a you a year from now are different people, then you don't exist. WTF?! Where did that come from?! Well, by saying that existence is determined by physical makeup, you're saying that two things made out different peices of matter cannot be the same thing. Therefore: you made-out-of-your-current-atoms and you made-out-of-your-future-atoms are not the same thing/person. THEREFORE: you made-out-of-your-current-atoms is not the same thing/person as you made-out-of-your-current-atoms-except-for-one-atom. Do you accept that? That the ship, once you have replaced even one tiny part, is not the same ship it used to be? Makes sense because technically, considering the body of you or the ship as a whole, the current and future models contain different configurations of matter, even if it is a small difference. So what's with the existence thing? Well, if you become a different person when you clip your fingernails, then since your cells are forever changing and atoms and electrons are forever exchanging, you are not the same person from one moment to the next. And if you are not the same person from second 1 to second 2, then you are not the same person from half-second 1 to half-second 2, or from a billionth-of-a-second 1 to a billionth-of-a-second 2. And since we can continue dividing up time infinitely, there is no moment in time wherein you can be said to be the same as any other moment in time; and if you have no temporal dimension, you can't exist!! Now: obviously we exist. (I think?) If we exist, and if those who beleive that a ship who exchanges all of its parts for not-necesarily-identical ones will not be the same ship by extension beleive that we don't exist, then that is wrong. Therefore there is something extraphysical involved: a soul. Armor-Al is the same person as the original Alphonse who was born, because even though he shares none of the same matter, he has the same soul. (We assume Ed perfectly created a soul when he made the blood seal.) But what about Human-Al, "Father"? Armor-Al says he is Al because he has the same soul, loves the same things the original Al did: but Human-Al has changed. He now only cares about power, about the Stone. So basically: if you change your personality, replace every aspect of your personality with something new like the ship analogy applied to the mind, do you become a different person? Do you think yes? I'd say you're wrong, because then we don't exist! The same thing happens here as above: if the soul, like the body, is entirely replaced, it must be the same thing it was before or else it will have no temporal dimension and then cease to exist. Therefore there must be an extracerebral element: something we cannot control or change our minds about: the subconcious. Still with me here? And if we assume that the subconcious is unalterable, and we assume we exist, then Human-Al, though he shares none of original Al's soul, is the same person he was just as Armor-Al is the same person even though he shares none of the orignal matter as the original Al. In other words: this just proved that two people can have different souls and different bodies and still be THE SAME PERSON. >:3 ...There's more I could say but I'm tired so I'll end it there. ![]() Yay philosophy!! EDIT: Feel free to argue BTW. Any holes in my logic?
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| AGodofIrony | Apr 8 2006, 09:55 PM Post #666 |
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You raise a good point BR…But… I can’t agree with your ship analogy. People are not ships were you can take something off and replace. People think with their brains for one thing, and brain cells are NOT replaced, at least, not often. And what makes a person is most likely their personality and what they choose to do with themselves. At least, that’s my outlook. So, while a person can, in essence, become a different person, they still have the same aspects of themselves somewhere, unless what makes them, them, gets destroyed. And, if it’s the same as the Anime and Manga for FullMetal Alchemist, Al’s brain was inside the Gate basically, keeping his memories and such intact. So, while Al can have his memories, his brain altered, changed, as long as the original ones remained intact, it’s possible for him to become his old self again. Also! They say power corrupts, and the Philospher’s Stone holds much power. Which could have greatly affected Alphonse’s personality, thus changing him that way, but not completely. |
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| BR | Apr 8 2006, 10:08 PM Post #667 |
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Exactly! So you agree with me AGoI! So a person can change their body and soul, but "what makes them, them," the aspects that don't change, aka the subconcious, do not change! So if you share the same subconcious with someone, then you are them! Therefore: since nobody is really sure what the subconcious is since by definition it cannot be altered, who's to say we all don't have the same subconcious? Also! I am working under the assumption that, for the purpose of this excerize, the Al seen the series was *created* by Ed. As in, the original Al could've survived and Ed could've still used his arm to bind a conciousness of his own creation to armor. People may not be ships, but we do change. ![]() PIRATE ships. |
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| GoldenSama | Apr 9 2006, 06:10 AM Post #668 |
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... but then by that logic, if the subconcious is what doesn't change, and we all share the same subconcious, then we are all the same person. ![]() Does that mean we are all just the imaginary friends of some random person? Does reality not exists? Are we real, or did one of us imagine all the rest of us like in that freaky movie I saw on HBO that one time? Werd. Argh! I'm Cap'n Jack Sparrow! ... What? I like Pirates. |
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| BR | Apr 9 2006, 06:23 AM Post #669 |
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Exactly!So since Armor-Al is the same person as the original Al because he shares the same subconcious, and Human-Al is the same person as the original Al because he shares the same subconcious (for by the above logic if they are not the same person we don't exist) and the subconcious is unalterable and could possibly be the same for all of us, then we are the same person-- and if we're all the same person, it becomes a contrast thing. No light without darkness- if we're all the same how can we exist? Maybe we're all the dream of a random spacefrog sitting on a cornflake waiting for the van to come. Or maybe...WE'RE ALL PIRATES!! ![]() Observation: Existance blah blah blah matter blah soul blah blah exist? blah blah person. Conclusion: We're all pirates!! Okay, I get to be Captain Hook! Arr! Tick tock! |
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| GoldenSama | Apr 9 2006, 06:30 AM Post #670 |
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![]() ![]() ![]() No, but I see what you're saying. With the logic an all, not with the pirates. I mean, I get the pirate thing too, but what I was talking about when I said that was the logic. "Where's the rum?" |
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| Dark Phazon | Apr 9 2006, 08:18 AM Post #671 |
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What the heck just happened in Spring River??? >:( |
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| BR | Apr 9 2006, 08:31 AM Post #672 |
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Umm.... Samus just showed up, is all. I missed the thing about the sheild, but it doesn't really matter: the Super Missile was meant to announce her arrival, not actually hit anything. I hope her being there is not a problem. X_X; |
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| GoldenSama | Apr 9 2006, 08:41 AM Post #673 |
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FYI - Vash has psychic powers. That's how he talked to Legato and how he activated the plant in the episode where he meet Wolfwood. Vash just used those powers to break Mujo's shield. Which let Samus get in.
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| BR | Apr 9 2006, 08:42 AM Post #674 |
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>_<; I dunno if I wanna mess with DP like that. Maybe Samus's super missile just hit the sheild, and now she's standing outside of it? Sorry... fault of my bad reading... EDIT: ![]() To reiterate: Samus was never inside the sheild!! She just appeared nearby!! I never wanted her in the sheild! Nay! Nix! Not in sheild! No! |
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| Dark Phazon | Apr 9 2006, 09:31 AM Post #675 |
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How Samus got beyond the shield will remain unexplained: Possibly Mujo let Samus in to help him convince Vash some more by attacking her as well. Possibly Samus snuck in through a crack created when Diamondhead was attacking the shield. Possibly the shield weakened from Vash's shooting Mujo's arm (weakening his alter power, as he had to fix his armor, taking some of the power from the shield), and Samus just screw jumped her way through. Possibly Legato's power somehow took influence on Mujo and his control of the shield, allowing Samus in, because he'd want Mujo killed. Possibly Samus gained the ability to teleport. Possibly the dome never was a real dome, but more like Olympic Stadium in Montreal when the cloth roof was taken off. Possibly it was something else. It could be anything. Choose whichever one you wish to believe (like how in some stories, they have open unexplained questions like that, and the answer is solely up to reader interpretation). |
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That'll help.




It's totally not the fault of your reading, GS.








Which let Samus get in.

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