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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 28 2005, 03:45 AM (907 Views) | |
| queenzdym | Oct 15 2005, 10:47 PM Post #16 |
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im quoting kaos but i dont know how to use quotes.. mcgonagal taking over?!? yea right.. shes not strong enough or smart enough in my opion to lead the order.. excuse my spelling |
Falling out of love is chiefly a matter of forgetting how charming someone is. ![]() "Well, you know, we're kept pretty busy having Young Death Eater meetings, and then we spend a lot of time making loads of other students feel bad about their lack of money and social standing. Sometimes we stay up all night and try to raise demons to do our loathsome bidding, but most evenings we just order pizza and pull the wings off a few flies." "All our young lives we search for someone to love, someone who makes us complete. We choose partners and change partners. We dance to a song of heartbreak and hope, all the while wondering if somewhere and somehow there is someone searching for us." | |
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| checkmate megs | Oct 16 2005, 02:07 PM Post #17 |
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ADMIN BUSINESS: To quote you just have to hit the "Quote" button in the upper right on the person's post you want to quote. Reply to what you said: McGongall is not stupid, she's a powerful witch, she is the deputy headmistress, head of Gryffindor, and not to mention an Animingus. You can't deny her powers are extroadinary and her intellect top notch to teach such a complex subject as transfiguration. Only a powerful witch could create that large chess board. Now yes she isn't as powerful as Dumbledore...but then again who is? Not even Voldemort is that powerful. But she is Dumbledore's most trusted friend and colleague. Who's going to head the order if not her? Kingsley is to young. Arthur? He's not the ambitious type to desire such a post. Molly? No. Lupin? No. Sirirus? Dead. Harry? To busy. Tonks? Clumsy lmao. Hagrid? lmfao. Mundungus? MY GOD That's it. Don't take McGonagall for granted she is a very intelligent, capabable, powerful witch who is as fair as she is noble. |
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| j-net | Oct 16 2005, 02:13 PM Post #18 |
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AMEN! that is all |
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| nameless | Oct 16 2005, 09:31 PM Post #19 |
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LMAO you said it kaos |
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| j-net | Oct 20 2005, 08:41 PM Post #20 |
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now seriously though wut makes you think that she is not smart enough to lead order of the phoenix? the way you just put it there seems like you think she just this incompetent witch. i really cant wait to see what response queenzdym is going to make Kaos |
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| nameless | Oct 20 2005, 11:40 PM Post #21 |
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i think that j-net and i should step back and let them debate it out lol |
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| j-net | Oct 21 2005, 08:35 AM Post #22 |
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lol, we'll probably be waiting a while for that to happen it seems queenzdym only shows up every once in a while but ANYWAY moving on i gots another question Alot of people say that in HBP hermione was acting extremely out of character, what's your opinion on this? if you think she was out of character backing that up with some evidence would be nice. |
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| nameless | Oct 21 2005, 11:07 AM Post #23 |
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Hmmm I think that some of the characters were (no evidence right now sry). I remember reading that someone said "Oh my God" and "cool". NOW FOR EVIDENCE FOR OTHER THINGS
I dont think that Hermione would tell Ginny to get on with life. She doesn't seem that mean. I think if anything Hermione would tell Ginny nicely that Harry doesn't like again, but not tell her to get on with life. Unless Ginny just phrased it that way. Hmmm
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| checkmate megs | Oct 21 2005, 01:52 PM Post #24 |
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I don't think Hermione was out of chracter in Half-Blood Prince. Why? a.) JK Rowling created these characters she knows them better than I do. b.) Some people say that Hermione would never sink that low to throw evil canaries at Ron or to say such mean things about him or to go out with McClaggin despite Ron. WRONG! Why? let's see here Hermione is that petty and that's one of the great things about her. Guess what Hermione isn't perfect she binds the rules for her wishes, but denies the same with others do it, she does get offended by small things, and she is extremely difficult. Hermione IS difficult, Hermione IS petty, and Hermione IS irrational when she gets emotional. c. To what Nameless said. I don't think that Hermione said "get over it move on" in a mean way. It's the same thing you would tell your bestfriend who wasting her time waiting for Rupert Grint to come sweep her off her feet "Move on, see other people, and maybe with time things will happen". I believe that she wasn't just giving Ginny advice but herself as well (with a certain stubborn redheaded male). I don't think it was mean spirited--- I think it was valid and smart advice on a topic that is rarely logical. I'll write a whole lot more later, have to get to class. But i have alot to say on this subject. Fuck what will happen in the seventh book-- if you want to get me going ... let's talk characters. |
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| checkmate megs | Oct 22 2005, 03:01 AM Post #25 |
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Hello People, By the way I want you all to know that I in no way feel that I know more than you about these characters. Only JK Rowling knows them, the rest are just ignorant fools being invited into a world of fantasy, that happens to be absolutely brilliant. Each HP Character is complex and real. My favorite part of the novels has never been the action, plot, or reason, but the characters. I think that JK Rowling is a genius at writing characters and I’m going to explore some characters—and try to prove that Half-Blood Prince was the book of maturity and not the book of out-of-character nonsense so many accuse the novel of being. Hermione Jane Granger – I don’t know why but for some reason many fans see Hermione as a girl power, does no wrong, keeps her cool, kind of girl. Well she’s not. In fact she is the complete opposite. PETTY: “Hermione isn’t petty she’s smart!!” Well just like Dumbledore is so smart he can’t be wrong? Well we know he has been wrong, and we know that Hermione CAN and has ALWAYS been petty. This is why. She’s stubborn. She’s proud. She’s irrational when emotional. I can give you many instances of that pettiness. 1. Prisoner of Azkaban – Bitchslaps Malfoy (TOTALLY COOL), but yes it was petty. 2. Order of the Phoenix – Marietta Edgebomb and the “snitch” incident. 3. Order of the Phoenix – Leading Umbridge to a potential death by Centaurs. 4. Half-Blood Prince – The attack of the crazy Canaries to Ron 5. Half-Blood Prince – Going out with McClaggin There’s probably more but you see there’s a pattern of reckless and petty behavior when Hermione gets emotionally upset. This is a fact, not something that showed up randomly, Hermione is petty, but that’s why we love her. BOOK SMART, NOT PEOPLE SMART: In my opinion Hermione is the nerd that is not good at understanding feelings. Even though she herself feels them in the extremes. She has a tendency of ignoring people’s feelings if they aren’t logical. 1. Prisoner of Azkaban – Ron is upset about his rat possibly dying but instead of realizing that she stuck to her guns and her pride to say Ron was being irrational and she didn’t take the time to wonder why Ron was so mad. 2. Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix – Hermione her heart in the best place, wants to free the house elves. But the house elves enjoy what they do and she never understands that. Because Hermione is someone who believes she is right. Of course over the books all these things have lessen, and they will continue to do self. It’s part of growing up. INSECURE: I have always felt a vulnerable and soft side to Hermione that she tries to hide through intelligence and logic. She’s afraid of emotions—because she feels them strongly. She’s afraid of being seen less than perfect—because to her she needs to be. That kind of insecurity is real and it exists no matter how cool you think Hermione is. Like Ron, Hermione is a vulnerable soul with a large heart, unlike Ron she is good at hiding it, by projecting this tone of false over exaggerated confidence to make up for what she Hermione thinks she lacks. So honestly if you look at these points you can see that Hermione really didn’t leave her own character in HBP, she only grew, and was forced to deal with a subject that no teenage girl knows how to deal with well. Falling for a boy—your bestfriend—who is terribly daft in matters of the heart. Someone who she has been waiting for, someone who makes you feel great, yet miserable at the same time. You can’t blame Hermione for being petty, for being stubborn, for being proud, she is what she is—warts and all. On top of all this bad stuff is a strong, intelligent, capable young woman who has all the potential in the world—Hermione is simply incredible but even goddesses have faults. Ronald Weasley A lot of people have said that Ron in HBP was down right nasty to Hermione, he kissed Lavender and was being a daft git. To the point where you had to question Ron’s character. WRONG!! I have said this before that although Hermione accuses Ron of “having the emotional range of a teaspoon” the truth is Ron is an emotional person. I have never seen a character have so much heart, have so much good intention, and have so much compassion. Some may call him insensitive but to me he is the sweetest character out there—big mouth and all. FOOT IN MOUTH DISEASE: You know those guys who want to say something real good but then it ends up like “your not THAT fat?” “so your saying I’m a little fat?” “No, I’m just saying making a big deal about nothing?” “So, your saying I’m irrational are you!?” “ NO!!!” yeah you know those guys. Well Ron is that guy, he is the guy that seems to gets himself into trouble with just saying two words. It’s actually quite endearing. JUDGE HIM FOR WHAT HE DOES, NOT WHAT HE SAYS!! 1. Half-Blood Prince – Ginny is kissing Dean, Ron overreacts. Now don’t get mad at Ron he’s just trying to be a big brother, be worried if he laughed and bought Dean some condoms. He’s being a big brother, he loves his sister. There are so many more instances where Ron gets in trouble not meaning too. TRUE GYFFINDOR: He is a true Gryffindor. He’s selfless, he loves, he protects, and he seriously would sacrifice himself for anybody he loves no matter how afraid he is. People often confuse what bravery is. It is not action without fear, its action despite fear. So when you see Ron freaking out… ask yourself “why the hell is he still there!!?” because he’s brave that’s why. Ron won’t let you down, simple as that. DEFENDING RON’S BEHAVIOR IN HBP: Like I said before Ron is accused of being overly mean and insensitive to Hermione during HBP. This is my explanation of how it was justified, why it was in character, and why Ron didn’t break up with Lavender right away. EXPLANATION: Guys will tell you this. Girls are scary. Smart Girls are Deadly Scary. When a girl is as smart as Hermione, can you say “have you wet your pants yet?” Well you get the point. Anyway, here’s Ron someone who doesn’t see what’s so great about himself: he’s poor, he never says the right things, he’s lousy at Quidditch, he’s not famous—hell it’s lucky if people can get his name right! And here is this strong, feisty, know-it-all of a teenage girl—someone Ron began to have romantic feelings for. He wasn’t sure what those feelings were, and if he did he would deny it. And he sees this Bulgarian Git show attention to HIS Hermione—makes her laugh, and takes her attention. This git also happens to be the exact person he wants to be and isn’t, and he has also stolen Hermione’s first kiss. Can you imagine that internal pain that would cause? Now he’s feeling lousy, damn right mad, he feels like something has been stolen from him, he doesn’t understand why it upsets him so much, he starts to resent Hermione. How dare she not think he’s good enough for her, how dare she think he can’t play quidditch without some ruddy potion, how dare she make him feel like this—oh look Lavender is showing interest in him, she thinks he’s worth something, she thinks he’s fanciable, she thinks he’s kissable. Fuck it, he’s going for it. So he does. When you’re that insecure, and so much shit piles up, you eventually do something stupid so that you can learn what you want. That’s what Ron does. He’s learning. This is something he needs to do, so that he can realize he needs to stop being stupid and start getting real about his feelings. WHY IN CHARACTER: Ron has always been an emotionally impulsive person. He gets mad he wants to punch something. He gets jealous he says some stupid ass shit. That’s the way he is. Most of the time he doesn’t mean what he says, it’s just that he’s so passionate, that his feelings sometimes cloud his brain so he says dumbass things and does dumbass things. Now, did he mean to hurt Hermione? No, I don’t think Ron expected her to care so much. When she did care why didn’t he stop? Good question read on. WHY DIDN’T HE STOP: Because Ron is proud and he didn’t think there was hope! Ron isn’t going to break up with a girl who’s willing to snog him for a lost cause. Ron believed Hermione hated him, didn’t think he was worth her time. The things Hermione said to Ron certainly implied it. Ron took it to heart. Ron is also afraid of hurting people’s feelings for no reason; he kept dating because he had a duty. And he wasn’t going to give it up, until it had to be. Ron after he got poisoned I feel he really realized how short life is and what he wanted. He wanted Hermione, and hopefully he will fight for her. But still after the incident, he didn’t break up with her why? Because he didn’t want her to make a scene, he didn’t want to deal with the consequences of the break-up. That’s why. But seriously Lavender and Ron were way over before it began. The reason I defended Ron and deflated Hermione, is because that’s how the fandom sees it. Hermione is the strong woman while Ron is this insensitive daft git. People need to realize there’s something special about Ron and there’s something human about Hermione. Don’t ever forget that. I know my interpretation of the characters may be different than yours, and that’s okay. But I really focus myself in the characters. I could go on and on about any character. Because I love them so much. Anyway there we go. Lol. |
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| j-net | Oct 22 2005, 12:26 PM Post #26 |
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damn kaos, couldn't save it for our next edition now could you? |
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| nameless | Oct 22 2005, 07:27 PM Post #27 |
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lmao yeah that was really long. and i actually read it ALL. haha. the ron part, i loved it. i get what you're saying about him, and totally agree. |
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| ducky | Nov 5 2005, 11:54 AM Post #28 |
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wow kaos, i read that whole thing. i can't help but feel somewhat accomplished lol. but i totally agree with you on the assesments of those two characters. i don't believe that any of the characters in HBP were acting out of character. maybe its that other people aren't used to seeing that side of hermione therefore jumping to the conclusion that she's acting out of character dunno...just an idea. |
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| checkmate megs | Nov 9 2005, 02:30 PM Post #29 |
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lmao Okay, I have a question it is not a Harry Potter discussion question really, but hell I'm an administrator so who cares lol. Why is it that my long posts get such bad reactions man? lmfao I'm just kidding by the way. It's good if your straight to the point but it's better to get your bases covered. I think I do a pretty good job of that lol and I also love to discuss the rebuttels in my posts before I get some annoying person going "WHAT ABOUT THIS!!!?" lol. See I write long posts so I don't have to deal with the whining lol. |
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| nameless | Nov 9 2005, 09:28 PM Post #30 |
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haha you love to write them and i hate to read them JK i loooove your long posts. sometimes they confuse me but thats OKAY |
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