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| Topic Started: Sep 9 2005, 08:01 PM (794 Views) | |
| meriadoc | Sep 9 2005, 08:01 PM Post #1 |
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Okay, here's where you can post about your opinions and feelings about the Bush administration, the government, or your government (since we're obviously mostly not americans here!) And now, I'm sorry, it's time for my Bush-rant. I'm gonna try not to go too much into it, because I could seriously talk for hours and hours on Bush's inept-ness at presidency. I am actually ashamed of the fact that I am American, and I don't blame any foreign countries for thinking we are the rich idiots who can't handle ourselves, because that's basically what Bush is making us out to be. I'm from North Dakota, so as you can tell, I haven't experienced any of the suffering, but all the same, I can see what's going on, and I am American, as I said, so I am outraged beyond what words can express about how the government is dealing with it. I'm so glad you addressed the issue about other countries offering us help, HT. Nations from all over the world have been sending money, and offering help with rescuing people and getting much needed food and water to people who so desperately need it. Well, they are still standing by because Bush, being himself, declined thier offers and conitinued to act like a stubborn 3-year-old "I can do it MYSELF!" while people died (and are still dying) of thirst, starvation and disease. Some countries in Europe offered oil in this crisis. He refused almost all of it, since guess where the money from the sky-rocketing gas prices is going? That's right: directly into his pocket (in case you didn't know, the reason Bush's dad and him and his whole family are filthy rich is because he owns a few major oil companies). Another thing that litterally made me clench my fists when I saw it on the news, was the fact that Bush did take a trip down to the gulf. Two, in fact. And do you know what he did? He flew OVER the superdome, OVER the houses, OVER all the devistation, and landed where he shook a few white, rich hands, hugged a couple white, rich men, and left. Now, I'm not racist, but I'm beginning to wonder about the president of our nation. I don't blame any of the people in New Orleans for saying that Bush could care less about poor black people, because unfortunately, my guess is that they're right. There, I'm sorry, but I had to say it. Now that I've gotten all that supressed anger at Bush out of my system, I'll leave the rest to you. [size=7]My favorite T-shirt: "MORE TREES, LESS BUSH."[/size] |
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| frodosmiss | Sep 10 2005, 01:49 PM Post #2 |
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First of all.....you're from North Dakota???!!!!???!!! So am I!!!!!! I call Minot home...how about you?? Unbelievable! Second- I couldn't agree more about Bush. I think the man is a fool. I have always been proud to be an American, but he is making it harder and harder to stand proudly in the international community. I am proud of my country for its efforts to help and support those whose lives were devastated by Katrina, but I am ashamed of my government. I don't want to believe that race played a part in the slow response. I believe that Bush's need to play war has reduced our ability to respond to a crisis such as this. We have historically relied on our National Guard to come to the rescue in times like these, but I'm sure they had to search far and wide to find the manpower and equipment to respond because so many of our reserve troops are in Iraq, fighting for what...I'm not sure. I am so very proud of our soldiers, who responded to the call from their Commander in Chief to fight overseas and I wholeheartedly support them in their efforts to do their duty. I don't, however, support the Commander in Chief's decision to send them there in the first place and now, how in the world do we get out? While our brave men and women are fighting a war, there weren't enough trained personnel here to care for our own. I'm sorry to say it, but Bush doesn't seem to know what the  he's doing. Since he's been in office, our deficit has ballooned out of control, the international community sees us as rootin' tootin' loudmouth cowboys and we are fast becoming a country divided over war far overseas with a purpose as much or more controversial than Viet Nam. Do I feel safer with Bush in office? That would be a resounding NO. Do the people on the Gulf Coast feel safe with him in office? I highly doubt it. God bless the victims of Katrina, God bless those who have come out in full force to help and support them, and God, please bless us as we continue to find our way.  MissPS- Meriadoc...Bush didn't just hug white guys...he needed to show he had concern for folks of color as well, so he arranged for a photo op, hugging a couple of African American teenaged girls as well. Oh, yeah...that was so sincere... :wacko: |
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| frodosmiss | Sep 10 2005, 02:02 PM Post #3 |
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Just another thought...I appreciate the freedom to rant about my president and government, something living in a free country allows me to do. Also, let it be known that I understand that Pres Bush and the government as a whole is made up of people...human beings with foibles and faults, and they have a job that most of us cannot fathom having, with soul crushing responsibilities that would "take the heart of me". Of course our president is saddened by the disaster. He wouldn't be human if he wasn't. However, I don't find him comforting and he isn't someone I would choose to rally behind...characteristics that are necessary in a leader of a free nation such as ours. Good, solid leaders are very hard to find and we still have some searching to do. Miss
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| ViggosHT | Sep 10 2005, 11:26 PM Post #4 |
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I have never liked this ,Bush,never.His father was a poor leader,also.And yse they are deep inthe oil. I still think and always will this,"war on terror" was just like a little boy with his first bb gun.Sending all the game into the surround and they have become invisable.Though you may walk past the homes,apartments and instituons of cells,everyday. Tonight,I watched the history channel,I am prone to do this.(I am a charter member of the history channel club) Yes I am oolldd!! :rolleyes: This rebellion amongst the Islamic peoples began around 1922.A young Islamic Egyptian National began to strike at British forces,along the Suez canal.They were claiming to protect thier shipping interests.Strife broke out and Holy Jihad was born.Islamic teachings are against violence.These fringe factors are in opposition to anything which is really degadent.I can understand why they consider the western ways to be evil and debased.I consider alot of this society to be this way also.So all along since the twenties this has been the backbone of the unrest in the Middle East. Enter the United States and Henry kissenger. If Kissenger had never been in office,(secratary of state) we would not have been such a tantalizing target.However Jews and Islamic are the Hatfields and the McCoys of the Middle east. They have always fought and it seems they always will. When the US began to clamor for oil,thee in lay the breakdown.Some of those early leaders of the "Brotherhood " came here to the states to see for theirselves what sort of folks were here.It was mind-blowing the late sixties for these groups,they went abck and talked.Then we entered the race for most ungodly land of all. My point is these groups of terrorists have been watched for the past,69 years and the pentagon knew of the attacks on 9/11 before they happened.Before the earlier try at bombing those buildings,and since this was not a concern it was considered to be nothing.They were already in the know of the Hamburg cell,and knew these guys were in the country,but still they did nothing. Years ago I met a man from one of those countries,I was going to the junior college to their trade dept,learning a/c and refidgeration.(never finished,that is another story),he was very disrespectful to me,told me I should be ashamed for not covering my face,and thought he was so much better than everyone else.I told him,"You are nothing more than any other immagrent,to me." He looked at me like he could slap me and I laughed,telling him,"I am a Native American." "You are an Indian?" "Yes" "Do you not have your rebels?" "Yes,but they are all dead now." He was only here to learn medicine.Orders from his father. These Islamic swarmed into the southeast in the mid-seventies,and most likely all over the states. Bush is an embarressment,"The sky is falling,the sky is falling!" 
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| Neesae | Sep 11 2005, 03:34 AM Post #5 |
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| meriadoc | Sep 11 2005, 12:41 PM Post #6 |
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 I can't believe it either!!! That is TOO COOL! I'm from Mandan, so maybe sometime we'll meet each other! That is crazy, because on all the boards I belong to, I have never met anyone else from North Dakota!  big hugs from Mandan!Sorry for getting off topic, but that is too crazy! Anyway, I did see those shots now on the news, so I do appologize for saying the "white people only" remark(although, I still do believe that Bush is a bit of a racist, sorry) HT, that is a crazy story! I can't believe how rude some people can be, especially when it is a clashing of two cultures. That is really great that you saw that show on the History channel. I like to watch that channel too, so I know what you mean when you say you're a "charter member of the history channel club" lol! But that is really great that you watch it because it's always a good thing to read up on your history before you can understand what's happening now. That's why your opinion is so valid! Anyways, I definetly agree with everything said by both of you! And again, I have to say I agree with you Frodosmiss, when you say you appreciate the freedom we have to say what we feel here in the US. |
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| ViggosHT | Sep 11 2005, 01:59 PM Post #7 |
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"When more is just,more" First,I mean no harm,to anyone,and do enjoy yhese discussions,next it is the 4th year anniversary of (popsicle slash two sticks.) That is the terrorists code for 9/11. I spent alot of time,most of my life,trying to understand what everyone of the public officals claim is law,truth,and policy.After watching these shows on the 9/11 incident,I am left here amongst this pain and tradgedy of others,(it has not hit me so much yet),to wonder at the policies and knowledges gained after 9/11. I see from New Orleans it is no better and my main message here is to do as others in other countries have done.Do for your self,because you cannot depend on federal help.They will desert you to die,if you are vastlt unknown.Therefore message boards such as this are very important and if you decide to leave one,then let someone know.These are our independent lines of communication. The worst time to leave a community,(on-line) as this would be during a disaster. Get somewhere log on or inform some memeber you are ok. We can and should be there for each other.I pray we never see another 9/11,however know this and keep it in your minds.The terrorists are seeing how this disaster was handled.I believe they laugh,this should be a major fear for all.To say you will not live your life in fear is correct,yet for your own saftey do not go forth in the thought you are protected and without a back up plan. If you have driver's lisence,get an id card state issued,like a driver's lisence and some other non perishable and important items,bury this in your yard,dig it up and carry it with you if you move.This way you do have documents,id,and memeorabilia.Water is very important. As I write this know that Bin Laden is not located.It may be he is dead,however it may be in the interests of the terrorist to not allow this info out.Keep the hounds hunting and they cannot go to rest! In art of war,an ancient chinese writing,it is made clear,as it is in all the writings of the great generals through the ages,Know thy enemy.I have studied war also.I have studied everything.It is what I do independent studies. So as this man has not been uncovered and it has been shown all over the world,this disaster in New Orleans know these terrorists are not missing a beat,they are doing their own studies of escape routes.They see it all,and they know what we the people are beginning,(I pray) to understand,there is no safe place in this world.Know they are opourtunists,and they are not all gone. This country is in a constant state of evacuation,until it is just a blur.Go where,will be and is the call from New Orleans.Families are seperated and all of us suffer this blow to our country.Now is the time to come to the aid of ourselves. If you stand and do nothing,and wait for the officlas to help,you may pay dearly for it.I will not say anymore on this touchy and dangerous subject.Already I am watching these mysterious cars at night.Here around my block. I am uncertain as to who it is,may be just the neighbors! I have grown watchful,is all.There is still a 50 mil award on Bin Laden.I may get all radical and off my seat and go find him,quite frankly I could use the money,the world could use the peace and,would it not be weird if I did?
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| frodosmiss | Sep 11 2005, 02:26 PM Post #8 |
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(((meridoc)))  for just a second...it is very rare to find a fellow North Dakotan on a message board. My brother lives in Mandan...he's on the radio on the COOL station down there. Hey! We're practically related!!  Now, back to the topic: No reason to apologize about the whites only comment. My response about Geo W hugging the two African American girls was true, but written with a sarcastic voice in my head. Sincerity was lacking and it seemed like such a photo op, it was disheartening. I don't want my president to pose with his constituents...I want him to SERVE them. Photo ops are for celebrities. Several have gone to the coast, but I haven't seen anyone who seemed insincere. These pampered folks rolled up their sleeves and went to work. I have been most moved by Harry Connick Jr. His heart has obviously been broken and he has been instrumental in getting the word out about the devastation. (((VHT)))- thanks for the lesson. We truly have a ways to go. (((Neesae))) God love ya, sweetie! Today is 9/11. Four years ago, our country felt the sting of the "dark lord" that is terrorism in a way we never experienced before. My sense of safety has been forever compromised as a result. I don't care if I have to carry special identity cards, put my fingerprints on file...whatever if it makes my country a safer place for my family. We have lived on the edge of this kind of activity for many, many years. Other countries have lived with terrorism in their backyards and we have always breathed a sigh of relief that it wasn't us. Well, it is us now. As I reflect on what 9/11 means to me, I find myself feeling angry that the war in Iraq was clothed in mistruths  that we were going over to avoid another catastrophe like 9/11. It is as I told my husband (who is a little more pro-Bush than I...and that little bit seems to be shrinking every day) today, how could we have been fooled that Sadam was such a threat to our shores?? We found his cowardly behind cowering in a rabbit hole. No WMD's. Nothing. Yes, I am glad that bloodthirsty dictator is no longer tormenting his countrymen, but now, insurgents are out and out killing them and us. While we continue to feed the war in his country (again...for what exactly? Be honest...), our country is without the manpower and equipment it needed to help our folks AT HOME and oh, by the way, Bin Laden...you know, the guy who really was behind 9/11...yeah, he and his cronies are still out there somewhere. What a mess. Today, I choose to remember those who died on 9/11 and their families in my prayers. I will also remember those who are serving our country in Iraq- whether I agree or not- and their families, those who suffer on the gulf coast and those who continue to roll up their sleeves and work hard to support and rebuild. I will also pray for my president and government...that they be led by truth and compassion and not by grudge and greed. Thanks for letting me purge. Miss
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| Bigelover88 | Sep 13 2005, 12:13 PM Post #9 |
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You know, it's too easy to judge EVERY AMERICAN for BEING and AMEWRICAN. I have met some of the greatest people on the boards and they are americans! (((((Frodosmiss))))), (((((ViggosHT))))), (((((Meriadoc))))) and of course my sweet (((((Neesae))))) and all the other members not only from this board, but also from other communities as well. It's good to hear your opinion about your own government, because we in Europe, won't hear the whole side of the story. We only hear what the media is telling us and not what really is going on. It's only good to hear from you. |
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| ViggosHT | Sep 13 2005, 12:55 PM Post #10 |
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mrspippin!! It is very good to hear from you,wondered where you have been. I hope all is and will be well with you! Yes that is why these communities are important,so we can understand and know fellow countries,and their folks. Today,as in all days,(for awhile now),I am wondering where this will all lead,and wondering also,about those who would try to harm quite frankly,ME. As anyone would think.Bad people,or people of a different mind set whose job it is to form terror on others,do not care who they hurt. sad things suck.  & I would make an excellent polictican in as I say alot and it means nor says anything.(Got the lingo covered,lol) 
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| Neesae | Sep 13 2005, 01:14 PM Post #11 |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9324891/ I know I'll be watching... ;) winking |
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| ViggosHT | Sep 13 2005, 01:40 PM Post #12 |
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Well,I am watching msnbc about this guy that is tring to be brought to bench as a sitting supreme court judge. "I don't hear no smphony."
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| meriadoc | Sep 13 2005, 05:12 PM Post #13 |
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(((((Frodosmiss))))) Once again, that is way cool! We're officially state-mates!
I definetly agree with that statement. I hate it when people say that they hate the soldiers for fighting in the war. That's a terrible thing to say, because they don't really have a choice wether or not they fight. It's the people who started the war and are continuing it (namely, Bush but I don't want to get into that again) who are to blame, not the soldiers. A couple of the kids I go to school with and have known for years but are now in college and joined the army to pay for their funds are over there fighting, and trust me, it's the last thing they want to be doing. But they have a duty to fulfill and it's so sad that people could hate them for that. Anyway, I just wanted to say how good it is to hear that you are separating the people who are fighting from the people who want to have the war. (((((Mrs.P))))) Thanks so much for saying that! I'm so glad that we have a place here that we can come from all different parts of the world and understand a little more about what's going on and opinions someone living in a different country! And it's good to hear that we americans can at least prove to someone that we're not all dumb! :rolleyes:  big grin
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| frodosmiss | Sep 13 2005, 10:59 PM Post #14 |
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Thanks for weighing in on Americans, MrsP! We are a proud and patriotic people who have some pretty high expectations about what our government is to be doing for us. Our forefathers founded this nation on the premise that we would have a government of the people, by the people and for the people and as a result, we turn to our local, state and federal government to provide for many of our needs, especially in times of crisis. Pres Bush is certainly not to blame for all of the chaos that is happening in this country. There is plenty of blame to go around, even for us regular folks, who would prefer to blame our government so we don't have to look into our own backyards for whatever piece of the pie is ours. I guess I am just extremely frustrated with the direction our country is headed and I don't believe that our commander in chief listens to anyone other than his yes men, his wife and his parents. His cavalier, good-old college boy attitude causes him to come across in the way I am afraid many in the international community, especially Europe, see us as a whole. I have seen British send-ups of Americans as crass, loud, selfish blunderers...Geo W. is almost a caricature of this perception. It's funny...when Brits pretend to be Americans, it seems they speak with a Texas drawl...accident? I think not.
I had better quit now...I see you out there.... 
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| ViggosHT | Sep 14 2005, 11:34 AM Post #15 |
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 We now have as you know two empty seats on the supreme court bench. This has never happened before.Now is the time to watch carefully how this all goes down. You know Brits love the idea of a cowboy,so I think they may be out there at the Bush dude ranch at times,,lol Have you seen the commercial where the guy rents a ford mustang and in the background he is riding a bucking horse? LOl that one kills me,because in my mind it is symbolic of certain government issues.Many a ranch around Bush,not to mention farm has gone under.yet with the oil monies to his family Bush has kept his ranch. BTW,the recent gas prices and all will figure in greatly in the cost of heating. And it may be a very cold winter ahead.Already the signs are here,early and confusing weather. They make these space heaters with oil in them,you never have to fill them,yet they warm up and you can cut the power to them they stay warm for about four hours,I have no idea how arm in ND,yet they do hold heat and I always just as I feel the first chill,crank them back up or every three hours.It costs less to use these iol-filled heaters.Make certain they do not need refilling.They work like a steam radiator,yet the iol seems to retain the heat better than water because of it's density,I would imagine.HT sorry about the typos did this on the fly,so it is OIL,I am talking about.
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