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| Topic Started: Aug 13 2006, 02:34 AM (820 Views) | |
| Blood & Iron | Aug 13 2006, 02:34 AM Post #1 |
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I have never seen one until I ran across this auction. How common or un common are they? I wanted to pounce on it but I already won a M16 helmet and a complete cnateen strap, cork and cover set up marked 1918 in really great shape so I did not dare get this cleaning kit. While I am at it, do we clean our rifles on the line or wait till the event is over? Is there any alternative componets one can put together to make one's own reproduction cleaning kit like this one? I think the snake you find in the G3 cleaning kits is close enough. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 mike |
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| Musketier E. Kessler | Aug 21 2006, 09:58 PM Post #2 |
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Hi Mike, This is NOT a WWI cleaning kit. These kits were first made in 1934. Be very careful about what people on ebay claim. Research anything before bidding to verify their claims unless you know they are correct. There are those who use their own stamps to mark undated items. |
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They said we would be home by Christmas. Wonder which one they had in mind? Musketier Ernst Kessler 2.KOMP. 1.BATL. 92.JR. | |
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| Blood & Iron | Aug 22 2006, 04:37 AM Post #3 |
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Ya I know not all ebay items are always what they say. that is why I asked if anyone's even ever seen a WWI issue cleaning kit? Mike |
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| Soldat Kohl | Aug 22 2006, 01:22 PM Post #4 |
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Whether it is time correct or not, I strongly advise AGAINST the using the aluminum pull chain to clean a weapon, especially if you ever intend to accurately fire live ammunition. It can damage the bore of the weapon particularly at the muzzle end over time. Even though they were issued to the troops, it wasn't a good idea for the long term preservation of the weapon. Perhaps the Army didn't care much because they didn't expect the rifles to last more than a few years anyway. |
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| Blood & Iron | Aug 22 2006, 03:33 PM Post #5 |
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And unfortunatly for us blanks dirty up a weapon much faster then bullet tipped ammo. mike |
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| Fearleesandtrue1918 | Aug 22 2006, 05:53 PM Post #6 |
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From what I am told though I never saw one, the WWI cleaning kit was a rope with a lead weight on one end which you could hook a brush or patch and a small oil can. Kind of like the one for the SKS. |
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| QMSwalrus | Aug 23 2006, 01:42 AM Post #7 |
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If you are looking for an item that you can carry in kit and not 'break period', may I suggest that you acquire a British 'pull-through' and oil bottle? If anyone questions it - the last owner has no further use. Tom (in London) |
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The truth is out there - The lies are in your head (Terry Pratchett - "Hogfather") | |
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| Blood & Iron | Aug 23 2006, 05:02 AM Post #8 |
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Well actually if no one cleans their guns in the trenches I am happy to wait until I am at home. I hate cleaning guns really.
 I remember some WWII vets talking about cleaning their M1's in the pacific and how oily they would get and no way to really get clean.:ph43r: I know after I clean a few guns you really need to wash up. Wearing the rubber gloves helps a bit but they wear out in the fingers fast before you even realize it. Mike |
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| Schmidtski | Aug 23 2006, 09:40 AM Post #9 |
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Hallo! Using nitrocellulose solvents for the powder residue attacks the "rubber" gloves sooner or later...  Schmidtski |
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Kurt-Heinrich Schmidt 3K./IR 63 Rewartink. Wery, wery, wery rewartink! Unwashed Lederhosen Gruppe | |
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| maxstiebritz | Aug 23 2006, 11:27 AM Post #10 |
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 WW1 German Cleaning kit -- On the bottom of the picture there is a rifle cleaning brush (similiar to the French cleaning brush but smaller) and a rifle cleaning Kit/Oiler which is a metal cannister about 3-1/2" high X 1-3/8" diameter ( it looks like a small milk can w/tapered top w/lid and chain), and on the inside is a string w/weight (basically a pull-through) w/a bore brush attached, bottom of can comes off to reveal a tiny brush for cleaning the small bolt parts. The kit/oiler is marked "Gbr. Pinnecke/ D.R.G.M./ Hildesheis." Enjoy, |
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Stiebritz "One of Thirty" 8K/IR459 I am Locutus of Stiebritz. We are Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. | |
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| Hoffmann | Aug 23 2006, 01:16 PM Post #11 |
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Herr Stiebritz - Is that from your own collection? I would be interested in scans of the booklet if it is. Danke Hoffmann 3.K./JR63 |
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Geftr. Hoffmann Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 63 A little old lady named Mother Theresa once said, "The biggest disease today isn't leprosy or tuberculosis, but the feeling of being unwanted." I don't have that condition. Everybody wants a piece of me for something. | |
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| Blood & Iron | Aug 23 2006, 04:22 PM Post #12 |
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So that's what they look like! Mike |
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| maxstiebritz | Aug 23 2006, 04:41 PM Post #13 |
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Herrn Hoffmann, I only wish it was - its for sale from Great War Militaria for a whooping 350 bucks :rolleyes: |
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Stiebritz "One of Thirty" 8K/IR459 I am Locutus of Stiebritz. We are Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. | |
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| Musketier E. Kessler | Aug 23 2006, 04:54 PM Post #14 |
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Thanks for the picture Max! I have been trying to get at look at this stuff for a few years. Now if we all work on it maybe we can find ways to repop the items. Think I'll start with the pull through. Any tin benders out there for the can?
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They said we would be home by Christmas. Wonder which one they had in mind? Musketier Ernst Kessler 2.KOMP. 1.BATL. 92.JR. | |
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| Hoffmann | Aug 23 2006, 05:31 PM Post #15 |
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Well, if there was interest I would've repro'd that booklet, but for $350 GWM won't see me buying that any time soon. But, thanks for digging that pic up. Hoffmann |
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Geftr. Hoffmann Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 63 A little old lady named Mother Theresa once said, "The biggest disease today isn't leprosy or tuberculosis, but the feeling of being unwanted." I don't have that condition. Everybody wants a piece of me for something. | |
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| Wuerttemberg82 | Aug 23 2006, 06:01 PM Post #16 |
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Servus, The one MAJOR mistake that I see being made over and over again in the reenacting community is that when one example of something is found, it is assumed that ALL examples were of that type. Max posted an excellent picture of ONE example of an Imperial German cleaning kit. When I can find them, I have a couple of pictures of some other types of oilers. Also, the pull throughs were made from cord, and sometimes had a loop on one end and a weight on the other. You'll see them referred to as a "Wischstrick" in the original manuals. Cheaper Than Dirt used to have oilers that were a dead ringer for the ones I saw in museums in Germany. The only difference was that they said "HUILE" or something on them, but you could get that off with steel wool. Other than that, dead on copy of an Imperial German oiler. That's where I got mine. I have been researching this for awhile, and apparently there was a drawstring bag that you kept your patches, brush, oiler, and pull-through in. It had a small extra button pocket on the outside in which your muzzle cover was kept. On some, there was a belt loop so that you could carry it on your belt, but it appears from some of the pictures in the manuals I have that you carried it in your tornister most of the time. My buddy Rassl in Germany had one of these bags once, but let it go because he didn't know what it was (verdammt und zugenäht). He trolls the flea markets over there so eventually we'll find another. When we do, I'll get you guys some pictures. I'll post pictures of those other oilers tomorrow. Oh, and I wouldn't worry about using an aluminum chain pull-through on your rifle. The rockwell on that steel is such that if you can damage it with an aluminum chain, you damn sure shouldn't be putting rounds through it, anyway, that's what the Mündungschoner was for. . .protecting the crown of the muzzle while you are cleaning the weapon. |
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| Blood & Iron | Aug 24 2006, 04:52 AM Post #17 |
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That little carry bag you mention would be a good item to reproduce if an example can be found. By all means post a photo of your CTD pull through. mike |
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| Wuerttemberg82 | Aug 24 2006, 11:44 PM Post #18 |
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Servus, Okay, as promised. The first one is the type of oiler that I have. The one in the photo is original and marked:  This next one is interesting. It is actually a complete kit with oiler and pull-through in one container:  Also, the oiler most likely contained a cleaner/lubricant known as Ballistol. It has been around for over 100 years and is made from pine trees if I am not mistaken. It is still commercially available and works quite well. I'll post more as I have it. |
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| Gew8805 | Aug 25 2006, 08:39 AM Post #19 |
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The top photo shows a French oiler that has remained essentially unchanged from the 1890s to the 1970s when France changed to a plastic container of similar form. I am not aware of German use of this oiler other than possible captured stock? You mention that it is marked? The bottom oiler is very interesting and definately German. Are there any inspector's markings that would show use by the German military or does it seem to be a private purchase item? Ballistol, great stuff! History: http://www.ballistol.biz/b%5Eindex01.asp and http://www.klever-ballistol.com/ |
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| Schmidtski | Aug 25 2006, 11:01 AM Post #20 |
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Hallo! I have some images of a tin set attributed as WWI German. At the moment though they are not accessible as they were part of a 10 plus year 2,000+ reference image "library" saved through the cursed AOL compressed .art file disaster that I am struggling to untangle. From memory (always dangerous), it is a similar tin container to the WWII "style," but the implements are different, and include what appears to be a coarse possibly hemp pull through string. (I will share them if I can get them opened...although they and 2,000 plus others may be lost...)) However, it is entirely possible that the set could be WWI German tools/implements someone stuck in an empty WWII German tin. Or for that matter, a set or varieties of sets, or varieties of sets over time- possibly made in Argentina, Austria, Beligium, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, China, Columbia, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Ethiopia, France, Germany, Greece, Guatamala, Haiti, Honduras, Iraq, Ireland, Israel, Japan, Latvia, Liberia,Lithuania, Luxembourg, Manchuria, Mexico, Morocco, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Orange Free State, Paraguay, Persia/Iran, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Saudi Arabia, Serbia/Yugoslavia, SLovak Republic, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Syria, Thailand/Siam, Transvaal, Turkey, Uruguay, Venezuela, and Yemen between 1891 and the 1950's (?) Seriously, I am not aware of any references on WWI era Mauser cleaning kits, or any identified cleaning kits possibly imported from Germany, locally made, or used by any "Mauser" using country? IMHO, perhaps the best we have going is possible, possibly or not, hopefully documented or even actual attributed or provenanced pieces in scattered museums over the world? Schmidtski |
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