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Topic Started: Jun 8 2007, 11:51 PM (683 Views)
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Okay, slight problem. that problem is religion. we can't just remove it. people will believe what they wish. however religion is an immense source of conflict. look at the Catholic/protestant problem in Ireland, the Sunni/shite fighting in Iraq. the vast majority or the world's terrorist organizations are religious fundamentalists waging a holy war against everyone. it would be easy to say "just let them believe what they want" but what they want to nothing less then total control, sharia law, etc. Islam is the biggest offender of this but Christianity isn't off the hook either. in small town America people have been run out of town for trying to support gay rights. we have a serious clash of ideals here. we're trying to get equality and unity but religion directly opposes this. and we can't just remove religion from the equation. what can be done?
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Jun 8 2007, 11:51 PM
however religion is an immense source of conflict. look at the Catholic/protestant problem in Ireland, the Sunni/shite fighting in Iraq

Fundamentalism is an immense source of conflict, not religion itself. Fundamentalism is based on coercion. Coercion can be justifiably removed (or at least attempt to remove, since its no easy task, but justification isnt an issue when dealing with fundamentalism).

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the vast majority or the world's terrorist organizations are religious fundamentalists waging a holy war against everyone

Unlikely. It only seems like that because Christian fundies in America use their control over the media to give massively disproportionate amounts of publicity to Islamic militant groups so that they can demonise Islam, and because certain Western armies are currently involved in an oil crusade in the Islamic world (so naturally, they encounter plenty of Islamic fundies).

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it would be easy to say "just let them believe what they want"

So...why dont we then? o.o

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but what they want to nothing less then total control, sharia law, etc.

Letting them believe what they want is infinately different from letting them have what they want. If they really want to, there perfectly welcome to believe they have total control, etc, and they wont be hurting anyone, they just happen to be slightly delusional.

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we're trying to get equality and unity but religion directly opposes this.

Correction: fundamentalism directly opposes this.
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Assassin does make a point. It's the fundies that are the real problem. Still, if they behave themselves, I don't see a problem. The trick, it seems, is making sure they behave themselves.
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On a side note, the Ireland example is now, thankfully, out of date. It's pretty calm in Northern Ireland these days, as I can attest to.
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Assassin does make a point. It's the fundies that are the real problem. Still, if they behave themselves, I don't see a problem. The trick, it seems, is making sure they behave themselves.

"Behave themselves" meaning dont kill people, thats what the laws for. We can make sure they "behave themselves" the same way we do everyone else. I really dont see the need to have seperate rules for fundies.
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