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| The basis for rights and equality | |
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| Topic Started: May 17 2007, 06:42 PM (336 Views) | |
| Assassin | May 17 2007, 06:42 PM Post #1 |
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Traditionally, rights are viewed as purely legal. The only non-legal basis for rights in the philosophical mainstream is religion, which makes even less sense than the law whether or not you happen to be religious. Needless to say, that doesnt suit us on the left. We need an objective basis for rights. And I've written one. Also, one of the most common attacks the right wing takes is to say we have no basis for equality, my explanation of the origin of objective rights also solves that problem. The basis for natural rights is the infinite inherent value of each and every person. Because each and every person is of infinite value, each and every person must be equal since there can be no difference between two infinite values. Therefore, each sentient consciousness has extensive natural rights, equal to the rights of every other conscious entity. These rights are decided by whatever does not violate the rights of another, the most obvious of which being the right to continued existence. Discuss. |
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| TomRK1089 | May 17 2007, 08:07 PM Post #2 |
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Mathematically speaking, you're wrong.
Indeed there can. Higher level math deals with non-identical infinite values. I raised this question in Calculus this year, actually, and here's a good example of why this can't be true. Infinity minus one must still equal infinity. Any number minus itself equals zero. Therefore, one equals zero. Infinity + 1 = Infinity --Subtract infinity from both sides. 1 = 0 Your logic fails. |
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| Assassin | May 17 2007, 09:11 PM Post #3 |
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As far as I can think, all that does is prove my logic right 
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| TomRK1089 | May 17 2007, 11:37 PM Post #4 |
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Think about it, Alan. If you have two values of infinity (infinity and infinity plus one) they can't be equal. |
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| Assassin | May 18 2007, 11:13 AM Post #5 |
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x = infinity y = infinity x + 1 = y x - infinity = y - infinity Its your own logic. Infinity + or - ANYTHING (except itself, in the case of -) is still infinity. |
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| TomRK1089 | May 18 2007, 04:26 PM Post #6 |
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Since this is supposed to be an empirical theory, prove that people are worth anything. Otherwise its just religion/philosophy. There's no way to 'prove' that people have value. Personally, I really don't see a point to this. I see no need to 'prove' that people have rights. |
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| Assassin | May 18 2007, 04:35 PM Post #7 |
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Who said it was an empirical theory? o.o
Its in the "Philosophy" forum precisely because its philosophy 
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| TomRK1089 | May 18 2007, 05:35 PM Post #8 |
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You did. |
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| Assassin | May 22 2007, 09:38 AM Post #9 |
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Which word in that sentence implies empirical?
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| TomRK1089 | May 22 2007, 03:02 PM Post #10 |
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"Objective." objective : undistorted by emotion or personal bias; based on observable phenomena; "an objective appraisal"; "objective evidence" |
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| Assassin | May 22 2007, 06:06 PM Post #11 |
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I mean objective as opposed to subjective. objective : truth independant of the views or knowledge of any being. Also
You know that annoying guy who asks "why?" and keeps asking "why?" to every answer you give? Eventually you can no longer answer; this could be because you just dont know beyond that point - however, in the case of the original question having been regarding your own action, it is more likely to be because you have reached the root motive, which - at least to you - is valuable in and of itself. What is this root motive? Your own benefit? The benefit of another, or a group of, reasoning beings? |
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| TomRK1089 | May 23 2007, 11:00 AM Post #12 |
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Well, you're the one who wants to go beyond merely accepting that people have rights. You're the one who initially asked at the start of the thread to find a meaning for rights. You've opened up the can of worms here, mate. |
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| Assassin | May 23 2007, 11:10 AM Post #13 |
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lol |
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