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Topic Started: Oct 5 2006, 11:19 PM (1,858 Views)
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Valid point. Although without the monetary system as an incentive for powerful people (who, again, no longer exist) to keep transport technology mired in petrol, cleaner alternatives are more likely to come along. As I think Harmony pointed out in the transport topic. But yes, environmental issues are definately an important... issue here.
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Well, this topic has stagnated somewhat.

Anyone have any more thoughts regarding the entertainment industry?

Let me just say that as an actor myself (though not a professional) it's more about the thrill of the production, rather than any financial gain. I think that under this system, you'd certainly get more of the people who want to do it. Whether they can survive by doing it remains to be seen.
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Well, this topic has stagnated somewhat.

Anyone have any more thoughts regarding the entertainment industry?

Let me just say that as an actor myself (though not a professional) it's more about the thrill of the production, rather than any financial gain.

Yeh, although there does need to be some provision for the costs of the production itself.
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Bertrand Russell raises an interesting point on a similar subject -- mainly, fine arts and the like, so I'll quote from Proposed Roads to Freedom:

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There are two ways by which the artist could
secure freedom under Socialism of the right kind.
He might undertake regular work outside his art,
doing only a few hours' work a day and receiving
proportionately less pay than those who do a full
day's work. He ought, in that case, to be at liberty
to sell his pictures if he could find purchasers. Such
a system would have many advantages. It would
leave absolutely every man free to become an artist,
provided he were willing to suffer a certain economic
loss. This would not deter those in whom the impulse
was strong and genuine, but would tend to
exclude the dilettante. Many young artists at
present endure voluntarily much greater poverty
than need be entailed by only doing half the usual
day's work in a well-organized Socialist community;
and some degree of hardship is not objectionable,
as a test of the strength of the creative impulse, and
as an offset to the peculiar joys of the creative life.

The other possibility[58] would be that the necessaries
of life should be free, as Anarchists desire, to
all equally, regardless of whether they work or not.
Under this plan, every man could live without work:
there would be what might be called a ``vagabond's
wage,'' sufficient for existence but not for luxury.
The artist who preferred to have his whole time for
art and enjoyment might live on the ``vagabond's
wage''--traveling on foot when the humor seized him
to see foreign countries, enjoying the air and the
sun, as free as the birds, and perhaps scarcely less
happy. Such men would bring color and diversity
into the life of the community; their outlook would be
different from that of steady, stay-at-home workers,
and would keep alive a much-needed element of light-
heartedness which our sober, serious civilization tends
to kill. If they became very numerous, they might
be too great an economic burden on the workers;
but I doubt if there are many with enough capacity
for simple enjoyments to choose poverty and free-
dom in preference to the comparatively light and
pleasant work which will be usual in those days.
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Ill read that when I find the patience x_x
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you probably hate it when someone starts out like this, but anyway..

I didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if this was said yet but...

I hope that actors, singer, and movie stars etc..don't become like the icons they are in society today..I can't stand reading head lines and having some of them be things like "so and so broke up with so and so after getting pregnant from so and so" it just annoys me to no end how much people idolize these people and how much money they make
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I dont mind actors being icons of film, singers being icons of music, etc. But yeh I hate the way they get special attention from the media and how it thinks we actually care whats going on in their lives more than we do like, any other random person in the street. And also the effect the media has on them, as well - that level of scrutiny on every aspect of your life has been known to make people suicidal, ffs >.<

EDIT: @Tom: Ok I read it now. I have to say, Project Legacy economics lend themselves ideally to a combination of the two - they could live on what Russel calls the "vagabonds wage" and spend their whole lives painting, or they could work part-time (or as close to full-time as still satisfies their urge for art) so that they can earn that bit more.

I think this only really applies to painters/etc though. The film maker, the author, the game maker, etc could be paid the same way as a manual labourer since because their product can be replicated with as little as the push of a few buttons it doesnt class as a unique item.
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The film maker, the author, the game maker, etc could be paid the same way as a manual labourer since because their product can be replicated with as little as the push of a few buttons it doesnt class as a unique item.


Really? Then I demand you present me with a complete novel right now. (Not a prewritten one, either.) Write me a novel and we'll see if that's all that easy. Same goes for designing a good game.
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Speaking as one who has written a short novel, I can definitely say that it's just a bit more than that. Really, it's a ridiculous pain in the ass. Having some knowledge of game making as well, I can testify that it is very much a pain in the ass as well. Not manual labor.
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The film maker, the author, the game maker, etc could be paid the same way as a manual labourer since because their product can be replicated with as little as the push of a few buttons it doesnt class as a unique item.

Really? Then I demand you present me with a complete novel right now. (Not a prewritten one, either.) Write me a novel and we'll see if that's all that easy. Same goes for designing a good game.

I see no reason why it needs be pre-chartered, and therefore fail to see the relevance of that example.
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Never mind, I had confused what you meant. I thought you meant a novel could be done with a few simple button clicks. What you're getting at is printing one is simple, am I right? Or producing the disc the game is on, et cetera.

As for making the actual product, though, that's damn hard.
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Yeh. It can be reproduced in a few clicks, not produced. lolz I know writing a novel isnt that simple, ur talking to a novelist here :P
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While I think that the more minor 'entertainment' aspects have been dealt with under the Russellite idea here, I still say we ought to discuss the more major ventures such as DisneyWorldLandPlace, Six Million Flags, etc. Namely, how does one decide how many resources these places ought to be allotted.

Obviously something that's nonessential in the strictest sense such as this would have to wait until the other essentials were taken care of, but how to allot the surplus? Here's where I think that a community vote ought to take place, in determining what their budget is.
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Sounds good
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