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| Activision just failed epically. | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 25 2008, 09:43 PM (290 Views) | |
| Robtcee13 | Apr 25 2008, 09:43 PM Post #1 |
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Guitar Hero 4... Now officially sucks.
Why is this bad? It's because Activision FUCKED UP THE GAME. Why was Guitar Hero 3 so hard? Because half the songs were COMPLETELY focused on Guitar. If they throw in the other instruments, that vastly limits their selection. Either their song list is going to suck, or they have to go way overcharting guitar. Even worse than GH3. For one, they have no experience with a vocal system. It's going to suck ass. For two, the only way they could do drums is by ripping off Rock Band verbatim. This will get their asses sued. Rock Band also remains superior to Guitar Hero because it provides consistent DLC. Most recent song packs were 6 and 10 song packs. Released EVERY WEEK. Guitar Hero 3 has a total of very few 3 song packs including boss battles. Which should never have happened. Activision now fails more than TUM. It now fails more than Alpha at DJ+. It now fails more than people who type the word "phail". It has sunk into a deep dense ocean of shit. Goodbye, Guitar Hero. I'm getting Rock Band. Guitar Hero: Aerosmith... Is way too focused to be good. You take the role of Aerosmith's guitarist, whoever the hell that is, and go play guitar. Woot. Now we get a 30-40 song game that costs 60 fucking dollars. And all the songs are by the same cock-sucking band. Not to say Aerosmith sucks. This only caters to a very small amount of music fans, and the game, no doubt, will NOT be hard. Thus, they're only appealing to a very small audience which probably has no money with which to buy the game. It's worse than the '80s edition with one key difference. The '80s version had good songs. Guitar Hero: On Tour is a watered-down edition with only four fret buttons that plug into your DS. Yes, this is a DS game. Now, think for a second. Chances are, you're going to be in public. Do you want to run around rocking out like a fake rock star, with notes scrolling and pathetic sound playing from a tiny portable system? No. Guitar Hero was never meant to be portable. Sporting a 20 song soundtrack and a pathetic excuse for a peripheral (With only four frets, no less), and strumming the touch screen... This game is made of more fail than anyone can imagine. Activision couldn't have missed the point more if they aimed in the opposite direction of said point with a Mauler from Perfect Dark. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 25 2008, 09:50 PM Post #2 |
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Fist of the North Star
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I do not appreciate you ripping on me every chance you get, you fag. Also cry moar. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 25 2008, 09:53 PM Post #3 |
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Contribute to the topic without spamming moar. Reported to annoy Lego and other mods. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 25 2008, 09:59 PM Post #4 |
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Also, they're releasing their 11th fucking Tony Hawk game. That game got old after the second one. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 25 2008, 10:51 PM Post #5 |
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... 11th? Holy shit, I didn't even know there was a fourth one. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 25 2008, 10:57 PM Post #6 |
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Don't worry. The games actually became so hard that only the japanese can put the smallest dent in the achievements after the 8th one. There's an achievement, I believe, where you must complete all secondary things like getting the SKATE letters and others within 1 minute. Activision sucks at making games. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 03:21 PM Post #7 |
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Necrofantastic
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just go weeaboo and buy GuitarFreaks, you won't regret it. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 03:31 PM Post #8 |
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BUT I DUN WANNA STRUM EVERYTHING. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 03:53 PM Post #9 |
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Necrofantastic
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HOPOs are for pussies. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 04:04 PM Post #10 |
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I also want pseudo accurate note charts. >_> |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 05:31 PM Post #11 |
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Necrofantastic
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from what I've heard, GF charts are actually renowned for their accuracy at the higher levels.. the charts actually simulate real guitar fingering a hell of a lot better than Guitar Hero. that being said don't even try to defend GH on note accuracy, they've put so many notes into their charts it's laughable. the fact that GF ties it for difficulty without all the BS notes and fingerings should drive it home, imo. also it actually has a judge system, not the retardedly dumbed-down "hit or miss" shit GH has been forcefeeding. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 05:52 PM Post #12 |
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GH3 is the only one with highly inaccurate charts. It's also the only one you've played. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 05:59 PM Post #13 |
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GF's accuracy holds true compared to all the GH games due to the superior fingering. also GF is at least releasing new stuff. every GH chart from here on out is going to be BS up on BS. stop doubting me and play it, you certainly won't regret the experience :/ |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 06:08 PM Post #14 |
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Yeah, every GUITAR HERO from now on is going to be worse and worse. Rock Band is far superior to that shit. Besides, does GF let you play with someone cooperatively? I might need to know, because I have someone in mind to teach the concept of the game to. Then we could play together, but if you can't cooperate, I'd prefer Rock Band. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 06:27 PM Post #15 |
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Necrofantastic
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there is a co-op, actually =o there's also a drum version of the game which comes bundled (DrumMania). |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 26 2008, 06:42 PM Post #16 |
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Judging system, like with stepmania? Fuck that shit. I'd prefer to be able to get good scores on things without it judging my hits like a fucking nazi. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 06:43 PM Post #17 |
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This, too. >_> |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 26 2008, 06:46 PM Post #18 |
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Then again, I gave up on Guitar Hero type games a good long while ago on the premise that five notes is too fucking hard for me. I develop muscle memory very, VERY slowly, and requiring conscious thought to move my hand up and down the neck of the guitar while also focusing on the screen (As I also can't memorize a notechart for shit) would be too fucking hard. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 06:46 PM Post #19 |
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except, I'm almost certain people play games to prove their skills, not get told "VERY GOOD :D :D" like some sort of children's follow-along book also the judge system for GF is just right for a game of its stature, and the actual judge system it has in place is said to be fantastic compared to things like DDR. shit like GH3+ where you get the same amount of points for pressing a note one second early than you do for getting it spot on is an absolutely terrible guitar sim. hell, just imagine if you pulled that shit on an actual guitar. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 26 2008, 06:46 PM Post #20 |
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 06:51 PM Post #21 |
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okay, maybe you do. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 06:55 PM Post #22 |
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also *games competitively which I assume rob is |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 06:55 PM Post #23 |
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1. Ironic. That's what a Judgement system does. "EXCELLENT! YAY!" 2. Yeah, but in Guitar Hero 3, you forget that you have a half second fucking leeway. You could play notes inbetween drinks of alcohol and still easily FC half the soundtrack. GH2 is the one that requires skill. 50-60 millisecond timing is just perfect. Also, Rock Band has about 30-50 milliseconds. 3. Yeah, but if you do it extremely infrequently, it's not incredibly likely the audience will notice. Edit: Also, I'm not really competitive. I refuse to enter tournaments just to give other people more of a chance. Let them compete amongst themselves. There's no satisfaction to be had winning around here. Half the people suck, and the other half are such pussies they can't move up to Hard, so they're more likely to win. Besides, everyone says that GH3 is the only tournament-proper game, despite it requiring the least amount of skill. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 07:00 PM Post #24 |
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1. Ironic. That's what a Judgement system does. "EXCELLENT! YAY!" well obviously, but you're actually doing something to merit it, not just wantonly hitting notes when you think it's good to go. also wtf, 50-60 milliseconds is half a second leeway (doesn't really add to the conversation, just felt like bringing it up) |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 07:08 PM Post #25 |
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Hm? I thought milli- meant a thousandth. Whatever. GH1 has the smallest timing window, of about... Let's see... Put Stepmania on "Judge" and hit a Marvellous rating. You just hit a GH1 note. GH2 has about ten times that window, which isn't too much. Let's toss Stepmania onto 2 or 3 ranks looser than "Judge" and hit a Marvellous. GH3 has about ten times THAT, which is ridiculous. Set Stepmania to the most loose judgement and hit a Good. You just hit a GH3 note. In fact, you probably have a little bit more leeway you can push out of that note. >_> |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 26 2008, 07:09 PM Post #26 |
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And Rock Band is "You hit it perfectly or you miss, bitch." |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 07:15 PM Post #27 |
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Rock Band isn't that bad. Otherwise, we wouldn't have FCs of songs like Highway Star and ...And Justice For All. It's just a little tighter than GH2 and a little looser than GH1. It uses the same formula GH2 used, but with the different shape of the notes, the timing window is indeed smaller. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 07:30 PM Post #28 |
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yeah, though in essence that's the good thing about GF's judge system if you hit a note slightly off in a real performance, it'll detract from it ever-so-slightly, but not completely if you'd just missed a note. the fact that GH is so heavily reliant on combo makes this even more infuriating.. D: |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 07:38 PM Post #29 |
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This is what happens to SMART people who start with GH3. They hate the whole series. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 07:40 PM Post #30 |
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huh? all the GH games have that setup, dude. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 07:44 PM Post #31 |
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Not all GH games have the timing issue you hate though. In GH1 it's either perfection or you miss. In GH2, it's a bit more reasonable, given the difficulty. In GH3, you could still hit the note if you fired a gun in the opposite direction of the controller aiming at the orange fret to hit a green note. From the other side of the world. While strumming with your dick. It's too damn easy to hit notes in GH3. That seems to be your problem. In fact, play Fast Solo A on One on Expert. I dare you. You will hear the entire thing as long as you just strum the yellows. That's because of the timing window. If it's so large, it has to allow the note to play because it hasn't determined if you hit it or not. Simply put, unless the note is a very long note, you won't even hear your mistakes. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 08:13 PM Post #32 |
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I mean the hit or miss thing. if it's too narrow, then the slightest offset just leads to no points. if it's too wide then offsetting it massively gives you the same reward as doing it spot on. the thing with a judge window is that it's variable; a really terrible miss will just lead to no points, but anything closer than that'll give you slightly more points. it's a lot more accurate to a guitar sim imo. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 08:17 PM Post #33 |
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Yeah, but to get good scores, you'd have to be absolutely perfect. That's why I hate DDR so much. I get a great and start getting mad. I get a good and curse at the game because I lost my streak. I prefer the hit-or-miss thing. It leads to more precise, more global scores. You could simply state that in Guitar Hero, every note is worth 50 points (25 in Rock Band) and held notes get you 25 per beat (12 in Rock Band). What can you say about DDR or GF's score system? It's really fucked up is what it is. You don't get a set amount of points. You get some seemingly random number. I like predictability to improve my score. I also like set score cutoffs to equal different ranks. I do not, however, want to lose my gold star because I got 5 stars with a better score. I've lost so many AAA ranks because I got a AA with more Perfects, so slightly more points. >_> |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 09:11 PM Post #34 |
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aha~! GuitarFreaks doesn't actually use the whole "one point off, one rank less" system, the grading system goes entirely on points. also wtf, streaks are way more important in GH. I also find it laughable that the only reason you're not getting GF is because "the numbers look funny". Like I said, just get the game, because you're never going to want to go back. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 09:16 PM Post #35 |
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But also, what I enjoy the most is playing more complex stuff involving hammer-ons and fancy solos. GF also doesn't have stuff like that, or Star Power you can use to get yourself better scores. There's just one maximum optimal score that you can get if you get perfects on every note. And yes, streaks are way more important in GH, but again, it's easier to keep them. In DDR, get a Good and you lose it. In GH, you have to get a miss or simply overstrum to do it. Besides, I tried the GF stuff on DTX Mania. Didn't find it too fun. |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 09:23 PM Post #36 |
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you realise its entire purpose is to be played with a guitar, right :/ I mean you don't have to get it if you don't want to. I'm just pointing out a superior alternative if you're tired of GH sucking shit and RB sucking easy shit. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 09:34 PM Post #37 |
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Rock Band's not easy. It's just a wider curve between easy and hard songs. Look at Maps, then Thrasher. BIG difference. Look at Slow Ride and Cliffs of Dover. Not as big of a difference. Besides, drums are fun too. And I assume GF and DM are primarily Japanese, right? I'd have to import and mod a PS2? |
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| Storm | Apr 26 2008, 09:37 PM Post #38 |
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you'd have to import it, yeah D: that being said if you're really into the whole rhythm genre, it's certainly worth a look. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 26 2008, 10:03 PM Post #39 |
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So tell me this. Why would I bother? For one, I'd likely have to have a new guitar. I'd have to deal with no long notes (Not hard) and inability to hold lower frets to play higher notes (Big deal. I'm not sarcastic.) just to play a game with a judgement system? I mean, I even find GH fun because I get to make decisions in the middle of the song. Do I activate star power? Can I get more before the solo? Will I even need it to pass the solo? In GF, you just focus solely on strumming notes and changing your fingerings. The most utterly basic of gameplay mechanics. That, and odds are all of the music is nothing I heard of. |
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| Storm | Apr 27 2008, 07:57 PM Post #40 |
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+ better fingering + more accurate judge system + no bullshit charts or chart patterns - no star power?? OH NO if you're comparing it to GH, then of course it's going to be different; you're just being a pussy because you hate new things. admittedly the whole "import" thing is a perfectly valid counterargument, but when I make a suggestion, the last thing you should do is resort to uninformed arguments like "NO STRATEGY", because GF has some pretty tricky non-BS charts for you to sink your teeth into. also what the fuck. if you play rhythm games mainly because you've heard of the music, that makes you a shitty gamer and musician. broaden your mind just a bit, all that RB/GH you forcefeed yourself is terrible for your growth. :/ |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 27 2008, 08:06 PM Post #41 |
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BETTER judgment system? Excuse me, but I'd say Guitar Hero wins in that respect, anything that judges your hits like stepmania clearly is not worth playing. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 27 2008, 08:14 PM Post #42 |
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I don't want to have to hit the notes with spot-on split-second timing to get an optimal score. I want to keep a streak to get the optimal score. It's just what I prefer. Also, again, you only played GH3. The KING of bullshit charts. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 27 2008, 08:25 PM Post #43 |
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How about a video of this Guitar Freak game? |
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