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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 22 2008, 02:20 PM (1,913 Views) | |
| Maltese | Apr 13 2008, 10:54 PM Post #51 |
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I still stand by my meth and acid statement. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 12:27 AM Post #52 |
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How: You didn't see the pictures, but the intro involves Sonic going Super, but Eggman springs a new machine on him that forces the Emeralds out of him, and apparently rebounds their negative energy on him, cursing him as a werewolf. Why? Because it's an awesome concept, contrary to what you two dumbfucks think. Also, WEREWOLF. SONIC. IS. STILL. FAST. YOU. FUCKING. MORONS. He simply moves differently and deals with enemies by flinging them large distances. And can also move bits of the terrain to access new areas of the level. And he swings around like a monkey, HOW IS THAT NOT AWESOME?! So yeah, there's no story arc for how Sonic turned into a werewolf. You want the story? Here: Eggman uses new machine to neutralize Super Sonic and obtain the Chaos Emeralds, turning Sonic into a werewolf in the process. He then uses the Emeralds to split the planet into seven fragments, much like Sonic Advance 2. Now Sonic must gather the emeralds and put the planet back together while dealing with being turned into a Werewolf at night. No big demons in sight, except the opening cutscene, but that one is no doubt owned by Super Sonic and serves no further purpose. EGGMAN LOOKS TO BE THE MAIN VILLIAN. HAPPY NOW, FUCKER? |
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| Maltese | Apr 14 2008, 08:41 AM Post #53 |
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You now what? You're such a fanboy if they made a sonic game where Eggman turned him into a girl, you were forced to move slower than Mario, and you killed enemies with "the powers of homemaking", You'd like it. Werewolf sonic is stupid. There is no point, it is a meaningless gimmick. It serves no purpose. Etc. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 10:57 AM Post #54 |
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... No, I wouldn't. If they did that, I'd probably get it sheerly to laugh at how moronically stupid it was, then return it and get a better game. I'd then proceed to gather an angry mob to storm Sonic Team. For real this time. And I said give me a good reason why the Werewolf Sonic idea is bad. Thus far you have failed to deliver. Because there IS no reason. Would you like me to list all the reasons why Wolf Link is a pointless gimmick? |
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| Maltese | Apr 14 2008, 11:41 AM Post #55 |
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Uh....Wolf Link is a gimmick. I didn't much like that either. Random form changing isn't good. Except in kirby games. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 03:23 PM Post #56 |
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Then why does everyone praise Twilight Princess but whine about this? Because it's fucking TP is the Zelda series? This is why I don't much like LoZ anymore. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 14 2008, 04:40 PM Post #57 |
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Wolf Link wasn't merely a gimmick. Nintendo attempted to be different by offering more puzzles rather than "Shoot the eye with an arrow". This is merely to please all of those psychodestructive maniacs who want to throw things long distances. But I guess that appeals to you. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 05:05 PM Post #58 |
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Offering more puzzles? Oh yes, let's force you to turn into a useless wolf for a good long time while you attempt to do stuff you probably could have done in your normal form, then never use it again after the game's halfway point except to warp. It doesn't help that Wolf Link takes twice as much damage as normal Link. Also kindly point me to these... "puzzles" that Wolf Link had to solve, I saw few. Hell, you don't even use Wolf Link in any dungeons because he's useless. Wolf Link was VERY much a gimmick. Werewolf Sonic, on the other hand, is an integral part of Sonic Unleashed, because he allows you to move about to parts of the level you can't access as normal Sonic. Plus you get the satisfaction of mauling robots as a freaking WEREWOLF SONIC. I catastrophically fail to see how that isn't awesome. And if there's a part in the game with Shadow vs Werewolf Sonic, then that will be just too goddamn awesome for this universe. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 14 2008, 05:15 PM Post #59 |
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It was a gameplay and storyline element. You were forced to become a wolf because of the nature of the world, then solve puzzles in that form to get OUT of that form. You could also use it to find money if you were lazy, or scare the shit out of villagers. Or dig into countless locations you obviously missed. Werewolf Sonic is an integral part of gameplay, you say? Yeah, that's something a fanboy would say. Sure, you could BS Wolf Link out of TP, but then the game's story would have sucked and had nothing to do with Twilight at all. Also, it's not that I fail to see the awesomeness of throwing people. I'm just saying, doing that in HL2 with a Gravity Gun is just as fun to me. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 05:52 PM Post #60 |
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You make my faith in humanity drop lower than it already is. You're being unreasonable. Describe to me how Werewolf Sonic ISN'T an integral part of the gameplay, especially considering you transform into him automatically when the game cycles to night? Once you get past the halfway point of TP, you never have to use Wolf Link again, except for a VERY short period in the battle against Beast Ganon. Even then, he's useless, and you KNOW the game would have been as good as it is (READ: Not very). I mean, just about everything you do as Wolf Link could easily have been done as normal Link, and if Wolf Link had never been implemented, no one would have missed it or even cared about it. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 14 2008, 06:08 PM Post #61 |
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So, what, to progress, sometimes you have to wait until night to get past certain blockades? That's just broken. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 06:10 PM Post #62 |
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Does the concept of "Alternate paths" mean anything to you? |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 14 2008, 06:25 PM Post #63 |
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So, again, to 100% the game, you'd have to intentionally stand around and wait. Sounds like a REAL Sonic Game, right. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 06:38 PM Post #64 |
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No, you just fool around in other levels, doing stuff in them until night. Or you could probably set the level to start at nighttime, hur hur. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 14 2008, 06:42 PM Post #65 |
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I just don't see it ending well, is all. |
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| Maltese | Apr 14 2008, 06:43 PM Post #66 |
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This statement causes all your arguments to fail. Wow. Is that how TUM feels ALL THE TIME?!? |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 06:49 PM Post #67 |
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Search deep down inside, and you'll realize that Twilight Princess was completely mediocre. |
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| Maltese | Apr 14 2008, 06:55 PM Post #68 |
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SEARCHING.... SEARCH FOR "Twilight Princess is mediocre" HAS 0000 RESULTS. SEARCH FOR "Twilight is mediocre" HAS 171238754673490501.3 RESULTS THANKYOUCOMEAGAIN! |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 14 2008, 07:07 PM Post #69 |
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Twilight Princess felt like a rehashed OoT with better graphics. ...Which I was perfectly fine with. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 07:57 PM Post #70 |
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Yet you didn't like OoT. ... Graphics whore. Also Maltese your search engine sucks. It probably also thinks Sheik is a boy, because my search engine clearly says "TWILIGHT PRINCESS IS MORE OVERRATED THAN HALO 3". |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 14 2008, 08:05 PM Post #71 |
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OoT was fine in its time. I didn't like where Zelda was going at that time, however. Now, at THIS time, it's 2 generations old, and I can't stand to look at it. Sure, you could say I'm a graphics whore, but you'd be wrong. I prefer gameplay above all else. Graphics are in there, but not major, and typically don't prevent me from buying a game. What I didn't like about OoT NOW is how the 3rd dimension is utterly imperfect. A great many glitches, a temple that you can actually make impossible to solve, and jerky, uncontrollable camera movement. All gameplay issues caused by its age and graphical jump from the 2d games. That's what I don't like. The god awful camera. That's also why I don't play DMC. WW was great, with its controllable camera, and I don't remember TP giving me any trouble. It moved completely smoothly all the time. OoT just acted like everything onscreen was causing slowdown all the time, too. Just too many minor annoyances for me to find it playable. Hell, give me an ASCII adventure game and I'll play it. That's how little I care about graphics. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 08:20 PM Post #72 |
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Actually it is very much impossible to make the Water Temple unsolvable. And all those glitches were really what made the game fun after you'd beaten it, cause then you get to mosey about searching for all the little otherwise unnoticeable flaws. Also slowdown, what the fuck are you talking about, OoT doesn't suffer slowdown. And the camera never gave me trouble... ever. I don't recall camera issues in DMC, either. Mostly because it usually had a fixed position. Also, the thing about TP is that it's pretty much OoT with improved graphics, removal of all the fun little exploits, a useless wolf form, a partner who's more useless than Navi (At least Navi let you see names of enemies and told you about them, Midna does jack shit), a pointless fishing minigame (Majora's Mask had the foresight to skip this stupidity in favor of more bow minigames, which are actually fun. Hell, TP doens't even penalize you for using a sinking lure) and a double hookshot-wannabe that can't even grab onto anything not specifically designated as a target. Also the little bird call things are pretty much pointless, and the Epona call plants are useless after you get the item to summon her. Ooccoo is also useless, never used her, and when I wanted to use her to get back out of a dungeon after I'd gone back in to get heart pieces I'd missed, she was gone. USELESS. The Ooccoo dungeon was moronic. I thought it'd implement the Ooccoo's more. At one point I even got stuck because I could find no discernible way to make those fucking fans spin, and I backtracked several times trying to find something because the level was so damn confusing. I didn't even have that problem in the Water dungeon, or even OoT's Water Temple. Oh hey, no fairies either. What the fuck is that shit? |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 14 2008, 08:40 PM Post #73 |
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Fairies sucked the challenge out of the Zelda series. I'll let Maltese argue your overwhelming stupidity. I'm pretty sure if I did, I'd say words that would get STORM banned from here. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 14 2008, 08:44 PM Post #74 |
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Sucked the challenge out? More like made you not have to restart if you screwed up at some point (Even though that's amazingly difficult, because Zelda games are so retardedly easy). Also I believe I've forgotten that I wasn't going to respond to you because clearly you haven't a single useful thought in your emo brain. G'day, loser. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 14 2008, 10:28 PM Post #75 |
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Okay, I'm sorry I heard my friend died today. Clearly it's my fault. Fucking jackass. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 15 2008, 06:55 AM Post #76 |
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Mission accomplished. |
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| LL2 | Apr 15 2008, 04:08 PM Post #77 |
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TUM, your logic is 100% flawed. -You say that Wolf Sonic is fully integreated and that Wolf Link was useless, then say that there could be alternate paths... which would make Wolf Sonic useless MIRITE? -You then say that you could just fool around in other levels... When were you ever allowed to do that in the middle of the Story of a 2D Sonic game? Or, hell, a 3D Sonic game? And I don't know about you, but if I'm speeding through a level and then have to wait for it to switch to night just to get past, I want to just beat the level. I don't want to leave and come back, I don't want to sit around waiting, I just want to beat the level. Sega will probably see this too. Not to mention there would be nothing to "fool around" with seeing as the levels will probably be really linear. And 2D. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 15 2008, 04:19 PM Post #78 |
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Point is, it's Sonic as a Werewolf, and SEGA took a look at that and said, "Hey that sounds cool, it also gives us a simple story and a nice little way to have a different playstyle without having to put in fifty billion characters that people apparently don't want to play as for whatever reason. Plus it's Sonic as a WEREWOLF. Awesome!" There will probably also be levels that start at nighttime, so it's not like you can zoom through the game without ever playing as Werewolf Sonic. Also, How about Sonic is for getting through the level really, really quickly, and Werewolf Sonic gives you an easier, more scenic approach to beating them? There. That's my story and I'm sticking to it, because quite frankly, now that I think about it, that's a neat little concept. |
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| Maltese | Apr 15 2008, 07:26 PM Post #79 |
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Yep. You know what they said next? "Let's go eat at an antless pick nick where we can devour jumbo shrimp and discuss military intelligence and good emo music. How general specific. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Okay, seriously Bob, that idea sucks harder than a super-massive black hole." |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 15 2008, 09:02 PM Post #80 |
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Clearly that never happened. Because you know what? HE'S IN THE FUCKING GAME. DUMBASS. |
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| Storm | Apr 16 2008, 02:53 AM Post #81 |
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Point is, it's Sonic as a Werewolf, and SEGA took a look at that and said, "Hey that sounds cool, it also gives us a simple story and a nice little way to have a different playstyle without having to put in fifty billion characters that people apparently don't want to play as for whatever reason. Plus it's Sonic as a WEREWOLF. Awesome!" There will probably also be levels that start at nighttime, so it's not like you can zoom through the game without ever playing as Werewolf Sonic. Also, How about Sonic is for getting through the level really, really quickly, and Werewolf Sonic gives you an easier, more scenic approach to beating them? There. That's my story and I'm sticking to it, because quite frankly, now that I think about it, that's a neat little concept. cool man enjoy your denial. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 16 2008, 06:54 AM Post #82 |
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Denial? Are you daft? I'm never in denial. Dumbass. |
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| Storm | Apr 16 2008, 11:06 AM Post #83 |
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Necrofantastic
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of course not ~~ |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 16 2008, 03:24 PM Post #84 |
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It probably stems from the fact that I always think I'm right. Though in this case I know I am, because from what I've seen this game looks awesome so far, and if they've made normal Sonic work so beautifully, I can't see them screwing up the Werewolf Sonic gameplay. I hope. Even if it isn't retardedly speedy like normal Sonic, though, I'll enjoy it anyway because unlike most of his fanbase, I don't require Sonic to be going fifty billion miles per hour at all times to enjoy his games. You want pure speed and nothing but speed, you can damn well play a fucking racing game, Sonic's genre is platforming with the added bonus of being really fast. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 16 2008, 04:43 PM Post #85 |
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He's in denial of being in denial. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 16 2008, 04:52 PM Post #86 |
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OR, the more likely case is that the two of you are dumbasses. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 17 2008, 09:51 PM Post #87 |
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Here's the press release. Educate yourselves. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 17 2008, 09:57 PM Post #88 |
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I read up until I realized it takes place in the real world. Next game plz |
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| Maltese | Apr 17 2008, 09:57 PM Post #89 |
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Okay. So, new engine = pretty lights. That's all I got out of that... |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 17 2008, 10:18 PM Post #90 |
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Wait, it's like the Halo 3 of Sonic games? That means it's going to be average. Which isn't/shouldn't be what Sonic is. >_> |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 18 2008, 09:23 AM Post #91 |
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... Sonic's games have taken place in the real world since Sonic the Hedgehog for the fucking Genesis. |
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| Maltese | Apr 18 2008, 10:40 AM Post #92 |
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Wot. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 18 2008, 02:11 PM Post #93 |
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It has been proven that Sonic's "Earth" is the same as our Earth. The Mobius thing was a mistranslation of a mobius strip. Mobius only exists in SatAM, Archie, and possibly Sonic X. The games, however, have always been on our Earth, though admittedly changed up somewhat. Or would you like to point out where that city he's running through in the trailer is on this planet, hmm? Besides, where in the press release does it say he's in the "Real world"? |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 19 2008, 08:46 PM Post #94 |
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Also: This. If we're all blatant idiots at TGB, EVERYONE has to be. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 19 2008, 08:51 PM Post #95 |
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I see about an equal amount of people liking it as opposed to disliking it. The problem as I see it is that all Sonic fans want him to do is run a million bazillion miles per hour and do absolutely nothing else. ABSOLUTELY nothing else. Fuck that. Even if the werewolf gameplay is mediocre, I can forgive mediocre gameplay if the story rocks. That's why I loved Bioshock and Mass Effect. It's why LOTS of people like Bioshock and Mass Effect. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 19 2008, 09:01 PM Post #96 |
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Story rocks in a Sonic game? What twisted alternate reality do you live in? Also, to retort, the people who "like" the game, as you say, are only barely willing to give it a chance, or have the grammar of a 6 year old. Sometimes both. That, or they're a Sonic fanboy. You, my sir, are the third. Hell, you thought HEROES was good. The game couldn't have possibly been made worse. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 19 2008, 09:08 PM Post #97 |
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IGN: 8.0 Gamespot: 7.5 HMMM. I WONDER WHO'S WRONG HERE. Heroes was great, the series went downhill AFTER it. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 19 2008, 09:10 PM Post #98 |
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You can't spell IGNorant without IGN. And Gamespot... Was tempted to give Brawl below a 9.5 if it wouldn't destroy their small amount of reputation. Both of those reviews fail. |
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| The Ultramind12 | Apr 19 2008, 09:14 PM Post #99 |
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Game Rankings gives it an averaged score of 74.1% for the Gamecube version, the others understandably lower scores due to being ports. Sounds pretty fucking good to me, dumbass. Face it, Sonic Heroes was a good game. Give me what you see as faults and I will shoot them down. And flying/Power being slow doesn't count, dumbass. EDIT: Also, watch the video here and shut the fuck up about the gameplay, because you lose on that subject. ANOTHER EDIT: And if you complain about the camera in that video, I reserve the right to completely ignore your opinion on absolutely everything because you're an idiot. |
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| Robtcee13 | Apr 19 2008, 10:01 PM Post #100 |
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You already do that, because YOU'RE an idiot. I'm done arguing with you. Go ahead, waste your faith in the Sonic series. It's dead. |
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