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Topic Started: Sep 19 2007, 05:30 PM (2,474 Views)
Robtcee13
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At least Stafy doesn't suck ass like Animal Crossing Townsperson. Seriously, have you played those games? IMO, they blow Mario games out of the water. Very far out of the water. If you can get past the japanese, they're the best platformers around.
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Robtcee13
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Okay, so now that updates are continuing, showing unlockable things, it also shows how to unlock them. Ness is unlocked by fighting in 5 Brawls, Reflecting 10 attacks, or unlocking him in Supspace Emissary. Using the first 2 methods requires you to fight him.
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The Ultramind12
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Aw, it doesn't show Snake and Sonic's unlock methods...
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Robtcee13
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I thought Sakurai said that all the updates at the website pre-game were all unlocked from the start.

In Fact: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/info/info05.html

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From here on out, the Dojo will begin to introduce the hidden characters, hidden stages, and additional features in Brawl that have gone unmentioned
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The Ultramind12
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Except it was confirmed long ago that Snake and Sonic are unlockables. They were confirmed on the site for hype.

Pictures of the starting roster show them not being on it. From what I've seen of pictures and videos of SSE, however... *SPOILERS*



























Snake is unloked when he's found by Lucario and Metaknight. Sonic is unlocked when he shows up to kick the final boss's ass.

*NO MORE SPOILERS*
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Robtcee13
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But you don't have a quote from Sakurai himself. I don't want a fucking post about a picture. I want a quote and where he says it himself.
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How about the "Brawl" update that showed the starting roster. No Snake or Sonic.
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Robtcee13
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Snake was announced before Sakurai had necessarily decided what exactly to do with the roster. I assume that would be justification enough to announce another non-unlocked 3rd party character, as the community was complaining.
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The Ultramind12
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No. There's even a screen saying all characters have been unlocked. The 35 character roster was completely true, and Wolf was the last character unlocked... for some reason. He has an intro screenshot, so I think it's in SSE, but the SSE videos I've seen don't show his intro. Also, no, Wolf is NOT a clone. His B moves have obvious differences from Fox's, and his A moves are different completely.

Anyway, yeah, Snake and Sonic are unlockables. I believe Sakurai did, at some point, state everyone on the Dojo EXCEPT 3rd party characters were starters.

Fun fact: My spellchecker doesn't know what "Dojo" is. Stupid POS.

Also, why do you need a quote straight from Sakurai when we've got, you know, PICTURES from people who have the game, seeing as it's out now?
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Robtcee13
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I never said there was going to be another 3rd party character, dumbass.

...I need a break. I'm trying and failing to resist the urge to track where you live and personally kill you for being a fucking idiot.
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The Ultramind12
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Ah. My bad, I misread. However, no, Snake is unlockable, as is Sonic. They aren't starters.
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The Ultramind12
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You know, this game really has all of about 1 clone... Toon Link (Who is pretty much Young Link with one move difference)

Falco is... umm... Falcoified. He's too different from Fox to be a clone, but not different enough to be Luigified.

Wolf's B moves have GLARING differences from Fox's, and his A moves are different all together. Major case of Luigification here.

Ganondorf has switched up moves and a different Side-B, which is pretty much the premise of Luigi.

Ness and his Brother from another Mother (Hoho!) are as different as Wolf and Fox. Their B moves have several differences, their standard B's are different altogether, and their A moves are nothing alike. Major case of Luigification here.

Lucario has SOME similarities to Mewtwo, but his A moves seem to be different. Besides, he cannot possibly be a clone of Mewtwo for the sheer fact that Mewtwo is not a playable character (Sadly).

Toon Link, however, is pretty much Young Link exactly, except his dair (Which shoots him to the ground like Sonic and Sheik's). Oh, and without Fire Arrows.
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The Ultramind12
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Oh, and just an update... The 41st stage is the Classic Donkey Kong level, slightly extended, as seen here.
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The Ultramind12
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Ray confirmed as AT.

Still think Lucario's a Mewtwo clone?

The Lucario video also displays how comprehensive the AI is now. You'd think you were watching a player vs player match.
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The Ultramind12
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Why tourney players don't like items.

End of second match. If you were Pit, you'd be pretty pissed off, wouldn't you?
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Robtcee13
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That last video is win. Pure. Win.
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The Ultramind12
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Live and Learn, bitches.
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Robtcee13
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Dude. The checkpoints... Hurt you. What the fuck. >_>
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The Ultramind12
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Posted Image

WHY IS THIS NOT IN THE GAME?!

No, it isn't, sadly. This is a photoshop made by a fan. Admittedly, a really fucking GOOD photoshop, but still just a photoshop. ;_;

You have to admit that'd be awesome.
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Robtcee13
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No, he'd probably be damn close to a clone.

Although Shadow as a costume for Sonic would be cool.
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The Ultramind12
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That's what I meant, as an alternate costume.

But yeah, Shadow's already an AT. You'd be surprised at the bitching the people at Smashboards are doing that Shadow got in as an AT over Tails and Knuckles.

Seriously, it's to be expected. Despite an alarming amount of retarded Shadow hate, his popularity is second only to Sonic himself.
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Robtcee13
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Among Sonic characters, of course.
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The Ultramind12
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Yeah.
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The Ultramind12
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A thought occurs.

Sonic, Lightning Brawl, Bunny hood.

wtfhax

Oh, now apply that to Super Sonic. >.>
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Robtcee13
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Better yet.

Lightning Bunny Brawl, Items on High, set to only Smash Balls. 4 Sonics fighting each other.
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Robtcee13,Feb 2 2008
06:10 PM
Better yet.

Lightning Bunny Brawl, Items on High, set to only Smash Balls. 4 Sonics fighting each other.

MAYHEM.
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Robtcee13
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Handicaps and CPU levels set to the max.

On second thought, throw in a Fox. >_>
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Robtcee13,Feb 2 2008
06:34 PM
Handicaps and CPU levels set to the max.

On second thought, throw in a Fox. >_>

Sonic runs so much faster than Fox it isn't funny.

No, seriously. Fox still runs fast, but the margin of how much faster Sonic is is INSANE.
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Robtcee13
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Oh, not to mention play at New Pork City. When that Ultimate Chimera pops up, he'll send multiple Sonics to hell. >_>
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The Ultramind12
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Now what's this here?

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\effect\fighter\ef_mario.pac, size:71584 off:2AAF2140
\effect\fighter\ef_marth.pac, size:105728 off:2AB038E0
\effect\fighter\ef_metaknight.pac, size:302720 off:2AB1D5E0
\effect\fighter\ef_mewtwo.pac, size:128 off:2AB67460
\effect\fighter\ef_nana.pac, size:128 off:2AB674E0
\effect\fighter\ef_ness.pac, size:240832 off:2AB67560
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\effect\fighter\ef_roy.pac, size:128 off:2AD02780
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\effect\fighter\ef_sonic.pac, size:239232 off:2AD4B6E0
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\effect\fighter\ef_toon_zelda.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF520
\effect\fighter\ef_wario.pac, size:78464 off:2ADBF5A0
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\effect\fighter\ef_yoshi.pac, size:92640 off:2ADECF20
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\effect\fighter\ef_zakogirl.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A80
\effect\fighter\ef_zelda.pac, size:155776 off:2AE03B00

Found in the coding.

I see Mewtwo. Right then. Time to pick up our pitchforks and torches and TAKE NOJ BY STORM.
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Robtcee13
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And where precisely did you get the coding?
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The Ultramind12
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Smashboards. People who have the game who dug through the coding.

There's more, but the site with it all won't load.
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Storm,Feb 3 2008
01:08 PM
itt we believe random bits of text posted by bored 14 year olds

mirite

Random bits of text my ass. This is Brawl's coding, stripped from the the disk, by people who have it.

Educate yourself.
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just clicked the topic now-

apologies for my noobity.
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Maltese
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You believe this?

Really, people.
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although; according to the topic, Dixie/Doc/M2/"pra_mai"/Roy/Toon Zheik were beta charas that got deleted

that being said there aren't any new characters, assuming zako_ are the alloy team
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The Ultramind12
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Smashboards, smartass.

That same link, when it works, details all the music and trophies, which is how we know how many there are.
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The Ultramind12
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Yeah, the Zakos are the Fighting Alloy Team.
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The Ultramind12
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Topic revealing most trophies and a few stickers.

Second page has the same link as that Smashboards topic.
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Maltese
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The Ultramind12,Feb 3 2008
02:14 PM
Smashboards, smartass.

That same link, when it works, details all the music and trophies, which is how we know how many there are.

When the person who posts it doubts it's authenticity, to treat it as absolute truth is idiocy.
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Storm
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a quick google search reveals that pra_mai are actually Plusle & Minun

now that would've been cool :[
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Storm
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@ maltese: the topic was posted and added to by experienced and respected hackers on the forefront of the Smash community

I think it's safe to say that there's little degree of falsehood here, proverb or no proverb
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Luigi's taunt now does 2% damage instead of 1%.

LUIGI FOR UBER GOD TIER! *Hides under a large metool helmet*
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Robtcee13
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I'm just hoping this game doesn't disappoint me like Days of Ruin did, TUM. Sure, it might not, but it's equally possible that it will.

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Robtcee13,Feb 3 2008
02:09 PM
I'm just hoping this game doesn't disappoint me like Days of Ruin did, TUM. Sure, it might not, but it's equally possible that it will.

</topic change>

NEVA.
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my brother has Dark Conflict now D:

it's not as bad as people are making it out to be, shitty new armies and exclusion of Green Earth aside.
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THE BIKES! THE BIKES!

And the Flares are awesome.
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the bikes are probably one of the worst units imo :(

now I can't wow my enemies with my expertly APC skillz
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Robtcee13
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Storm: Days of Ruin, not Dark Conflict. And the game horribly disappointed me, due to several broken new units, and no War Room, and unbelievably easy Campaign. No Hard Campaign either. No Crystal Calamity. Nothing actually hard. It's just a game you play on Wi-Fi. In fact, you could call it the Halo of the Advance Wars series.
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Robtcee13,Feb 3 2008
01:06 PM
Storm: Days of Ruin, not Dark Conflict. But Storm lives in Europe. And the game horribly disappointed me, due to several broken new units, You have to admit, naval units sucked before DoR and no War Room, Trial maps, although there's a lot less of them and unbelievably easy Campaign. Easy for you, yeah. No Hard Campaign either. No Crystal Calamity. I've heard Mission 14 and others are quite hard. Nothing actually hard. It's just a game you play on Wi-Fi. In fact, you could call it the Halo of the Advance Wars series. What, you didn't like the story, or the Tactics Show? Come on, it's the freaking Tactics Show.

With that being said, I still prefer Dual Strike over Days of Ruin.

With THAT being said, we're horribly off-topic.
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