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Sailor Animamates; True Names and Origins
Topic Started: Aug 23 2010, 07:17 PM (2,639 Views)
Chains Of Fate
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I've been reading through the Sailor Moon manga again and it's raised a few questions that I'd like to discuss with you guys. First on my agenda I'd like to discuss their true names and some the background information regarding the Animamates.

In the manga it's implied that the Sailor Animamates names are their real names. For example, Sailor Tin Nyanko's real name is Tin Nyanko and Sailor Lead Crow's real name is Lead Crow. Am I the only person that finds it odd that all of the citizens of these planets that went evil and joined Galaxia have metal related names? I originally thought that these were just nicknames that they were given upon joining Galaxia, but upon rereading the manga I noticed that Luna and Artemis referred to Tin Nyanko as that name, and Phobos and Deimos referred to Lead Crow as that name as well. It's an odd consistency only because the Sailor Animamates are not really related other than the fact they all went rogue and wanted to be the Sailor Soldier of their planet. Perhaps I'm really reading too much into it I just find it odd when I really think about it.

I thought about giving them different true names, of course this would only really apply to the ones where there is a character that knows their true name like the two situations (Tin Nyanko and Lead Crow). The others it would just be implied that they have different real names, unless if the story I wrote for whatever reason called for otherwise, the Stars story arc is still pretty far off gamewise so I can't really say at this point. How would everyone feel about me giving them different real names and have their metal related name just be a title given by Galaxia?




The other thing I'd like to discuss that's been bothering me is how long the Animamates have been alive. At least Tin Nyanko and Lead Crow were alive during the Silver Millennium in the past, which was billions of years before the present time. We know this because Luna and Artemis and Phobos and Deimos knew them and that's the only time they actually lived on their respective planets. So what does this mean? Have they been alive for billions of years? (Unlikely) Or were they in some capacity reborn as well? I'm not sure how rebirth was explained for the other planets. (If they were even affected when the Moon Kingdom was destroyed) The manga just says that the Earth began its civilization anew. It's explained for characters like Adonis (who's from Venus) who were present during the attack on the Moon, but not for people who were on their respective planets.

Would really like to know everyone's opinion on these matters!
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Eleo
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I think that it comes with being a sailor soldier that you live for as long as it is necessary. Take the outer senshi for example, in the Silevr Millenium they are portrayed as already grown up and it is implied that their missions have made them spend A LONG TIME away from the Silver Milleniums castle. Sailor Pluto must have a long life in order to do her job.

And in the 30th century the ginzuishou prolongs everybodys life, just as it was said to do in the distant path. The ginzuishou being essentially one with Princess Serenitys STAR SEED, I imagine that on other planets it is quite possible that at least all sailor senshi have long lifes, and in planets with a strong senshi, someone like Sailor Moon, even the regular population can enjoy a long life... All star seeds are in essence with the sailor senshis own sailor crystals, so some of them should have really briliant crystals. Doesn't galaxia take the real universe sailor senshis crystals and give them to the animamates to make them Sailor Senshis? I don't remember...
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The names don't really bother me either way, so I'd be okay if the metal names weren't considered their original names.

As for the planets, I also think they may have all restarted, that is, been reborn when the earth restarted. It would make sense, as no one lived on any of the planets in this solar system after the earth was reborn. That's what I think anyways. =P
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Hermes
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Interesting! If I remember correctly, the only 2 cases in which such name incoherence actually happens are Lead Crow and Tin Nyanko. I also found it strange that Luna, Artemis, Phobos and Deimos referred to those two AnimaMates in such way.

Later on (when Usagi is given the explanation for the Shadow Galactica and the Star Seeds by Seiya, Taiki and Yaten at their apartment) we learn some facts, which are not too properly explained. To me, in short, it could be like this:

- The Sailor AnimaMates are former Sailor Soldiers who standed for planets throughout the Universe which have already been destroyed by Galaxia.

- They are now "fake" Sailor Soldiers, created by Galaxia and/or Chaos using those "true" Sailor Soldiers as a basis. They have no Sailor Crystals and keep on living thanks to the bracelets.

- About the very way of "being born" as AnimaMates: sometimes it sounds to me as if they were traitors who wanted to become powerful Sailor Soldiers from ruling planets, like Galaxia herself, and hence sold their souls and essence to her (which indeed seems the case of Lead Crow and Tin Nyanko); and sometimes sounds as if they were stolen their Sailor Crystals by Galaxia and forced to turn evil.

- At some points, again specially in the cases of Lead Crow and Tin Nyanko, it could also sound as if they were not the Sailor Soldiers of their mother planets, but actually some slightly relevant characters of those celestial bodies in ancient times, who failed in their attempt to become prominent and ran into their chance when Galaxia came by.
Anyway, if that was the case, why on Earth would Galaxia want them to join her? She could recruit the real Sailor Soldiers of those planets, forcing or tempting them, which would ensure her both the Sailor Crystals in question and an unbeatable army. Far better deal than just recruiting somehow special Star Seeds, even more considering that the Sailor Crystals were what she was actually looking for in order to revive Chaos. Given these facts, I think it's way more coherent to consider them Sailor Soldiers and not mere acolites.

- Theoretically considering such option as the good one, then Yaten names the planets whose true Sailor Soldiers have been killed and used to make up (in whatever the way) the Shadow Galactica:

Planet Chu - Sailor Chu - Sailor Iron Mouse?

Planet Mermaid - Sailor Mermaid - Sailor Alluminum Siren?

Planet Coronis - Sailor Coronis - Sailor Lead Crow?

Planet Mau - Sailor Mau - Sailor Tin Nyanko?

Planet Cocoon - Sailor Cocoon - Sailor Heavy Metal Papillon? ("Materials Collection" here)

- It seems clear that Sailor Lethe, Mnemosyne, Phi and Xi are the real Sailor Soldiers of their mother planets and have not suffered any transformation (as to say, they are not "fake"). If I remember well, Heavy Metal Papillon says she's the last one of the AnimaMates, so these others are supposed not to be part of the team.
This is another fact which drags me to think that the rest should also be the real Soldiers of their planets: these ones are, the other ones should follow the same pattern. Just for the sake of simplicity and overall coherence.

About their lifespan, I guess they all lived during the Silver Millennium era, died at some point, and then reincarnated in relatively recent times. It's quite common between characters of the Sailor Moon universe to recognise each other from previous lifes (at least when they regain their memories, not to mention they look exactly the same, ahem).
Regarding this, maybe the "starting anew" issue that happened once Metallia was sealed off didn't involve the Earth and the Moon only. Could it be that Queen Serenity went to the Galaxy Cauldron as the "heiress of the bright side" (like Usagi does later), choosing to restart everything from the beggining? Guardian Cosmos mantioned something about this, and put Usagi through the same choice.
It would explain the reincarnations, the step back in time of evolution itself and... Well, mostly everything about that period (keeping in mind that Pluto wasn't affected, since she was back at the Time-Space Door after having contributed to resurrect Saturn immediately before the fall of the Moon Kingdom).

It sounds crazy, I know, lol! But I think it makes sanse after all if handling details with care.

My 2 cents, I'm sure many other fellow pals have their insight into the matter.
Edited by Hermes, Aug 26 2010, 02:08 PM.
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loveHELLO
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Before being reincarnated, the Inners were called Princess Venus, etc, right? And not Princess Minako? If that's the case, then having names like Tin Nyanko before becoming an animamate isn't so far-fetched. But maybe you should change it so that the metal parts of their names were the ones given by Galaxia, because that is pretty odd :P So on their planets they were called Nyanko, Crow, Siren, Mouse...
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Those names alone would sound odd since they`re not really name sounding, they sound like part of their title, if that makes sense. I do wonder if Luna and Artemis and Phobos and Deimos had different names before they joined the Moon Kingdom. Sailor Red Crow stated that Princess Mars chose Phobos and Deimos, and she probably gave them new names, after the two Mars moons.
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Aug 30 2010, 01:35 PM
Those names alone would sound odd since they`re not really name sounding, they sound like part of their title, if that makes sense. I do wonder if Luna and Artemis and Phobos and Deimos had different names before they joined the Moon Kingdom. Sailor Red Crow stated that Princess Mars chose Phobos and Deimos, and she probably gave them new names, after the two Mars moons.
Oh, the names I quoted would be their "true" Sailor form titles, of course. After all, as such, they should be called after the names of their planets like all the other Soldiers.

If Chains meant their "civilian" names, I'm afraid we have no clue. I guess we can come up with something nice, but we should try to avoid too Japanese-sounding names (many fanfics tend to use them for characters like these, and it's simply lame). Mythological or just original euphonic words would do.

What about the origin and lifespan of the AnimaMates? Any thoughts?
Edited by Hermes, Aug 30 2010, 02:22 PM.
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ArtemisX
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Aug 30 2010, 02:18 PM
What about the origin and lifespan of the AnimaMates? Any thoughts?
I gotta say I liked your idea as to how they were faked Senshi's made out of the real ones, and could give for some interesting living the life of someone else's storyline you could do with such a group.

As for the names, I thought they were titles too (Goes reread the Stars Arc)... so I don't really mind one way or another.
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Chains Of Fate
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Oh, I was referring to loveHELLO's suggestion of the names like Mouse, Siren, etc. A good suggestions, just too plain for my tastes. XD There are lots of cool mythological names that we could use to create more interesting background information.
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In their past life they could have been apart of a select group of senshi (like how our senshi are apart of the milky way). And that's how they relate to one another is through their metal related names, which could be apart of their plants.

I hope you get what I'm saying LOLLL
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Oct 2 2010, 01:53 PM
In their past life they could have been apart of a select group of senshi (like how our senshi are apart of the milky way). And that's how they relate to one another is through their metal related names, which could be apart of their plants.

I hope you get what I'm saying LOLLL
I understand what your saying except Sailor Red Crow blatantly says that the senshi of her world is no more. That strongly goes against your theory.

As for my opinion on there names I would say to treat them as titles given by Galaxia and give them original names for the Phobos/Deimos and Luna/Artemis Scenes.

As for how they are alive, I got the impression that Galaxia resurrected them. They weren't alive all that time so much as brought back to life to serve her.

Slightly off topic but I was kind of wondering about Sailor Cosmos. For some reason I got this weird thought of her not just being Usagi in the future but a future incarnation of her. The thought stuck in my head and adds an interesting dimension to the last part of the manga

...As for the reason why it took me so long to give my opinion here...I kinda of just read the Stars arc today. Usagi_Hah
Edited by flamesoul32, Oct 4 2010, 04:50 PM.
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One question which bothered me, was Sailor Galaxia already active during the Silver Millenium Era? Did she even start her "Campaign against Chaos" and could the Moon Kingdom have experienced some effects of that (like Refugees from other planets trying to get there to hide) ? Did the Moon Kingdom try to stay neutral in the incidents surrounding it (like a kind of "Space Switzerland")?
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