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Luna and Artemis Human Forms; Should they see more use? :D
Topic Started: Sep 15 2009, 04:52 PM (150,392 Views)
flamesoul32
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...A show/book/movie/game can't really be sued for discrimination. The worst that could happen is it not selling well/ people boycotting it. I can think of multiple forms of media that "discriminate" in similar ways that have come out recently. That includes in the opposite way of having it have significantly more men then woman...actually that's more common.

For the record I don't call it discrimination if there is a reason for it...which is never really explained in Sailor Moon.

As for the whole Luna/Artemis being from outside the Sol System; why would the outers have to care about that? They pledged their allegiance to the Queen. They are not a threat from outside the Sol System. The Crescent insignia's are the proof of this.

Now I would like to get this a little more on topic and say with the ability to change they are not a "Human-like being that can change into a cat" but a cat-like being that can turn into a human. The cat form is still there natural form. Of course they would prefer it unless their was a reason to change into a human(cats can't open doors, talk to someone other then the senshi, eat at a table, hold a weapon/item). Suddenly I have an image of Usagi not really getting that and trying to drag Luna out for some shopping/ice cream as soon as she finds out she has a human form. That's not going to go over well...

Before anyone says anything: yes I know the previous paragraph is a little obvious but I feel it needed to be said.
Edited by flamesoul32, Sep 16 2009, 02:33 PM.
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Rumn-Snuffles
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flamesoul32
Sep 16 2009, 11:43 AM
Now I would like to get this a little more on topic and say with the ability to change they are not a "Human-like being that can change into a cat" but a cat-like being that can turn into a human. The cat form is still there natural form. Of course they would prefer it unless their was a reason to change into a human(cats can't open doors, talk to someone other then the senshi, eat at a table, hold a weapon/item). Suddenly I have an image of Usagi not really getting that and trying to drag Luna out for some shopping/ice cream as soon as she finds out she has a human form. That's not going to go over well...

Before anyone says anything: yes I know the previous paragraph is a little obvious but I feel it needed to be said.
Well it's a good idea, and it does clarify things... I could so see that happening, Usagi wanting to go out with Luna's human form... UsagiLaugh

But it makes more sense that the turning-human/talking was an ability given to them by the Moon Kingdom's powers... Although it kinda sucks that they couldn't be human otherwise. Oh, a little off topic but, are Phobos and Diemos (spelling?) also under the Moon Kingdom as Mars' advisors? Because they can turn human/talk (while human)... I can't remember if they have crescent moons...
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they didn't have crescent moons. But I'm no sre what they were. if i remember correctly from the dialogue when they werekilled in the last arc, Sailor led crow (Also from their planet) calls them special cause they were picked by Princess Mars herself to be trained, I'm assuming as Guadians of Sailor Mars or possibly Sailor Senshi, since they possessed pure Star Seeds. They didn't see to have any resrictions when it came to changing, they just chose to do it when Rei ws ready to recieve her Mars Crystal.
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Rumn-Snuffles
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Thanks, it really helps having an expert here UsagiLaugh So maybe Mars didn't use a symbol to let them use the powers... Or else because of their pure Star Seeds they had a certain amount of power themselves, so could transform on their own without help more than training from Mars...

But to be trained as Sailor Senshi they'd have to have their own planet/asteroid/etc., wouldn't they? Maybe it was merely an assumption, but I'd always thought the senshi was a native to the planet from birth...

...Of course, if this is getting off topic feel free to say so JupiterBlush
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ArtemisX
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i don't think I'm an expert, just recently reread the last two arcs of the manga. >_> so is fresh, but you're not wrong on the planet thing. they had a sailor Senshi for their own planet, and a lot of the reason the animates joined galaxia was because they wanted a pure sailor Crystal to become real sailor Senshi, protectors of their own stars. Phobos and Deimos are two small moons tha circle Mars orbit, so if they were Salor senshi they did had their "planets" or more correctly, Stars to protect.

and just to keep this in topic, the pure star seed theory could actually work as to explain why phobos and deimos had no problem accessing their powers to turn human (An also to help Rei herself several times, and comunicate with her in a way when she was a little girl) but Luna and the other two didn't have a pure star seed, however, Princess Kakyuu said they had star seeds that were almost as powerful as pure ones.

So maybe the citizens of Mau were all cats, except Sailor Mau, Luna and Artemis, who had the power to become humanoid. only they didn't have the full power of that till they were"blessed" by Queen Serinity and gained that ability as well as able to communicate with other beings (Cause there's always the fact that we don't know what language the spoke in the Silver Milenium so maybe it's not a crescent moon that allows her to talk, but rather one that allows her to understand people that are not her species, like a universal translator) and they all speak cat.
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Sep 22 2009, 12:44 AM
So maybe the citizens of Mau were all cats, except Sailor Mau, Luna and Artemis, who had the power to become humanoid. only they didn't have the full power of that till they were"blessed" by Queen Serinity and gained that ability as well as able to communicate with other beings (Cause there's always the fact that we don't know what language the spoke in the Silver Milenium so maybe it's not a crescent moon that allows her to talk, but rather one that allows her to understand people that are not her species, like a universal translator) and they all speak cat.
Woa! I never thought of it that way!
The crescent moon as a translator....
That's a reaally good idea!
I think that likely, they all had the ability to shift forms, but I always figured that a feline form was easier for them, and a humanoid form consumed more energy, so they mostly stayed feline unless a human form was needed.
However....
What do I know? I haven't read the manga in a while~
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Wow ive heard alot in this thread, and i need to re-read sailor stars manga, as i have only read it once compared to the other 4 series.
Anyhoo... I think Luna and Artemis should be able to turn into their human forms at will in the beginning, and just a suggestion(take it or not i dont mind, it will still be great,) but maybe there could be small scenes where lets say Usagi is about to be hit or beat by an enemy, or lets say Jedite(total memory lapse, is that spelled right) almost beats her to a pulp the first time they meet and right before she is defeated Human Form Luna does something small and not very noticable like running from a totally random direction or tripping him, or maybe it could be as large as tackling jedite or distracting him and then jumping off with the flying skills of venus in episode 30 in the dub. i forget the numbers of the japanese one.. the episode after venus appears at the beginning though..anyway again maybe usagi could think she is the moon princess becase of the crescent moon, and when we get to the point that venus is introduced Then luna could explain that she can become human. Thats a stretch, maybe her just walking down the street and almost tripping and luna catching her and then running off as a little hint. Like shes watching out for usagi. Just suggestions but itd be nice
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I've already decided how Luna and Artemis will utilize their human forms and whatnot, and I don't think you'll be disappointed. VenusPose
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Ok^^
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Evilbunnie
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I assumed that Luna and Artemis no longer controlled their powers of humanoid transformation because they were "reincarnated" on Earth just like the Sailor Senshi. They couldn't remember which of the girls was the Moon Princess, they didn't seem to remember every single detail about their previous lives right off the top of their heads, so perhaps they simply didn't remember that they could become humanoid, especially if they woke up on 1990's Earth in cat form. I wonder it they were reincarnated as something closer to Earth felines... just like how Usagi and the gang are all basically human until they transform. If that's the case then maybe those crescent moon marks are all that connect them to their Silver Millenium selves.

Tin Nyanko calls them traitors to planet Mau, so perhaps their choice to leave Mau for the Moon Kingdom is also taken as a rejection of their home world and their powers. Also, for Galaxia to claim most of the galaxy (about 80% if I remember correctly) she must have started before the series began, with that being the case, if Mau was already destroyed then maybe whoever survived was simply stuck in whatever form they were in at that time (unless assisted by powers outside of Mau, like the Maboroshi no Ginzuishou). We never see Tin Nyanko turn into a cat.

Wow... so many theories... I wasn't expecting to type this much.
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Eleo
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As far as I remember, Luna and Artemis weren't reincarnated, there is a scene where at least Luna is shown sleeping in some sort of capsule heading for earth, so it's possible any memory losses or confusions are due to several thousand years in hibernation...

It is also possible that only the sailor senshi on the planet Mao have the power of willing cat-to-human transformation - Tin Nyanko killed Sailor Mao and had Galaxia bestow Sailor Mao's senshi crystal on her, hence giving Tin Nyanko her Sailor form. (Love the complexity of the manga!)
That is why Luna, Artemis and Diana are only given human forms when Sailor Moon or other great mystical powers interfere.
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LunaDown ArtemisSit UsagiHappy VenusPose I think its a marvelous idea just keep luna in her same color clothes and hair same with artemis , I think the color theme should stay the same if they change clothes .
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I had a complete ditz moment and accidentally voted no. Put me down for yes, please!
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