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| Rumn-Snuffles | Sep 3 2009, 12:33 AM Post #16 |
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Great explanation! The moon queens would probably be all the same to the terrestrians, particularly since they lived so much longer... (unless old earth had expanded lifespans too? Serenity could technically be way older than Endymion... how awkward) I guess if the terrestrians knew about anyone it'd be Selene, by name at least, while they'd only see Serenity since she visited the earth... It's possible that they would just call her Selene... |
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| ArtemisX | Sep 3 2009, 02:03 AM Post #17 |
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That would be a no, since if I'm not mistaken they made it clear in the manga and the anime that Earth's people envied the Moon people's lifespan and that was one of the surely many bad emotions Metallia-sama tapped into to turn them all against Serenity's people. But I do like the concept of connecting their names to the Gods. I was thinking the other day if maybe this could be extended to the other princesses, as far as connection to their elements go. After all, everyone reffered to Serinity as the Moon Princess, would it be that much of a stretch for the various Princesses names (Princess Venus, Princess Mars, yadayadayada) to just be titles and they all have names connecting them to similar characters in mythology? since in the game even Beryl's original name will be changed before she is turned evil, why not go all the way when all their princess identities are revealed in the Dream arc. or at least if these titles will be alluded in the dark kingdom arc. I know technically the planet names do that already but I always found that so repeative. Edited by ArtemisX, Sep 3 2009, 02:13 AM.
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| Tristan | Sep 3 2009, 07:55 AM Post #18 |
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Really she was? Thats totally destroys my vision of the story , hell... I was thinking that the senshi were the REASON for a myth , imagine you are a simple villager you spend your patethetic meaningless life doing pathethic meaningless things and so will your son and his etc. Suddenly you look into the sky and see Increadibly big vehicle that is so beyond your comprehension like quantum physics for a cow , then you see beatifull girl going out from the vehicle , only one possible conclusion :She is the goddess , she is beatifull hencefore : She is the goddess of beauty . Then you return to doing your pathetic meaningless things but in the evening you talk to your children about the goddess you once saw , making your life just a bit less meaningless ( if anybody here is from the country than know that this description is for medieviel level of peasants not a modern farmers) and because story is good , it spreads creating a myth of goddess of beauty . I always thought about senshi as a creation of rather hyper-advanced technology ( crystal palace even silver millenium build on moon is under the dome ,and palace on the stationary orbit of venus is clearly a space station etc.) than mysticism, Senshi attacks clearly suggest technology imput , being activated by voice and imprinted as functions (for example I have never seen Mars having a power over fire , like she should have if she was the goddess of fire , she couldn't put it down or play with it (walking into blazing fire or put her hand in the flames) her power was only manifesting itself during her attacks , even in manga I read (4-7) there were many talks about supercomputers and such . And the fact that they are being called venus mars itd. stems from the place they're power come from (harnessing some unknown kind of planetary power itd) so if its true that she was explicitly called incarnation of Afrodite , well it makes the story far weaker than I previously thought :-( |
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| ArtemisX | Sep 3 2009, 09:00 AM Post #19 |
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It was a mix of both. they did have high technology, the idea was they were far more advance for their time but ou can't deny the mystical aspect, all of the Senshi prove to have powers of some fashion even in their civilian forms (Mamoru, Usagi, Rei and Michiru all having precog powers of the sorts). And both in the live action and anime they were able to do attacks without calling the attacks by voice (The movies being a better example for the anime.) and even in the manga in the Second Arc Ami clearly uses her control over water to figure out where a busted pipe is so they do have control over their elements. And Haruka is basically an implied speedter in the manga, with how fast she is able to leave a scene because of her element of wind. I don't see how that makes the story weak in any sense that they were also entities that could've been viwewed as gods on powers alone. They were basically inmortal (And will still be by the 30th century.) But clearly they did used technology too. We're talking about aliens, but aside from Mercury who had her computer conected in Sesnhi form, the other Senshi's powers seemed to have no connection to the tech. |
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| Tristan | Sep 4 2009, 02:59 AM Post #20 |
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First : you call it precog power I call it enhanced intuition , which one of us is right? It doesn't really matter , but I have met some people in my life (okay it was one person actualy) with so great empathy that you almost felt like being near a telepath , I guess that being the effect of other evolution there brain may have some quite impressive potential . And you are talking about my point exactly "could've been viwewed as gods" doesn't mean "being a god" That is why this Afrodite thing is like Cargo cults in new guinea , people see technologically superb beings and picture them as gods BUT that doesn't mean that they are actually incarnation of gods . Second . You are calling them aliens while Usagi (again I am anime wise only) during I arc clearly said that "we are earth girls now ,so your parents are really yours" to mars (or sth like that) third: immortality thing - again rather strange - so neo-queen serenity is not future incarnation of usagi but usagi herself? Hard to picture , imagine 40 years old Naru meeting with Usagi (who constantly look like 16-17) saying "you haven't change a bit" That would defy logic on so many levels that I don't even want to think about it fourth. Misticizm - you see difference and claim this is spiritual , I see difference and I say " Its technicall" Uranos speed coming from her wind element , beatifully spoken and may be true if you consider that she is a soldier and her power should make her more capable than average joe , besides sticking with your logic they are not human so its normal that they psychical capabilites are different. In the same way CHEMICAL power (in stereoids and such) make strongmen or bodybuilder far stronger than average . They seemply use power that we don't know yet , calling it magic is simply wrong , in the same way like nuclear power be considered magic in 18 century. fifth. You don't see technology in other attacks? From what year are you , do you think that the fact that "there are non buttons" means there are no tech?single fact that they need activators to change(brooches,sticks whatever) they are practically just using items they cannot use the power as they wish they only have imprinted attacks! Give me a machine gun a kevlar vest , night vishion googles and HUD displeyer on my eye ball and I will be able to defeat 100 of casual enemies , does that make me mistical creature? NO! Take that all things from me and again I am just casual guy . Why does it make story weak? Because showing them as creations of other evolution was magnificent idea , giving them all this abilities but NOT calling it magic was also very novel idea , if now we will begin to mistify them we well lose this element of unknown , because we can keep this discusion for a year or so and still non of us will come out as clear victor because author lives it to us , do you have scientific mind , have it your way its pure science , are you rather misticall there is also something for you . I totaly agree on showing the fact that humans during silver millenium could consider lunars a gods but I would also stress out the fact that lunars themselves didn't try to uphold the myth (if they would it would be majorly unethical) and even was disdaine about this fact |
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| ArtemisX | Sep 4 2009, 04:39 AM Post #21 |
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well I hate to break it to you buty sailor moon is a Magic Girl genre story so magic is going to be the main concept whether you like it or not. Advance intution or not my point was that they had powers without the aid of their senshi forms. I am not denying they're human now, but saying that once they awoke as Senshi they had some access to the power of the god like creatures they once were. and these creatures are aliens, in the sense that they all were born and lived in different planets beyond earth. I was reffering to the Silver Milenium here. And also, have you clearly don't know much about Crystal tokyo if it's just dawning on you that Neo Queen Serenity and Usagi are the same person. And no, Naru wouldn't be aging either. Crystal Tokyo would be the new silver milenium, everyone on earth's lifespam expands to last for thousands of years. in fact this the premise as to why the Black Moon family ends up rejecting the the Queen's ruling, because they view this inmortality as a sin towards god. And the powers does come from them, the items get destroyed in many parts of the story without destroying their powers. They channel a lot from them, but at the end of the day they are able to do things because of the power within their own. Which is essentially the Sailor Crystal (The Special Star Seeds that took host and gave birth to the Sailor Senshi in the first place) is. |
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| Tristan | Sep 4 2009, 08:46 AM Post #22 |
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Wow , I consider myself crash and burn , You win handsdown , not that I like it mind you , but nevertheless it is a fact and I must acknowledge it . But give me a second , when Crystal tokio was established? As far as I know it was in(rather) distant future or are you telling me that crystal tokio was created 10-20 years after SM finish? I was always thinking (I ofcorse may be wrong) that crystal tokio was created about XXX century !!!! After creation of crystal tokio people become immortal right , but before it was only senshi who were ,am I right ? So how would you explain Usagi&company going with their lifes looking like a teenagers FOR A HUNDRED OF YEARS , that would rise some suspicion wouldn't you say? I always thought it was like this Silver millenium there are people of earth and Lunars(Lunarians whatever) Lunar people have got some amazing technology and biological differences(lifespan etc) from humans , Silver millenium vanishes Lunars become extinct as a race but there technological heritage still exist Characters (personalites) of the princess and senshi being reborn in human flash (there are still humans they bleed suffer age and die) but with an acces to their heritage . In time using this technological advantage(being carefully distibuted) humanity is rasing to a new level of development and crystal tokio is being established . In reverence for the memory of Silver millenium new queen is being called Neo-queen Serenity. And don't ask me about Chibiusa , little pink monster that always destroys logic in this story , going back in time going forth in time how the hell pluto guards this door . Like I said I acknowledge you are right but " because its magical girl genre there must be magic" not true , technology advanced enough can be easily be called magic, without a drop of mystic factor. Edited by Tristan, Sep 4 2009, 09:19 AM.
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| ArtemisX | Sep 4 2009, 01:43 PM Post #23 |
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Well, I say again, I'm not denying that thety didn't used Technology that's advance, which is why I said the answer was somewherre in the middle. After all Luna and Artemis were kept in time pods, but Time Travel, Resurrection and even a Pegasus appear in the story so obviously there's something mystical going on. And I don't think that part shoukld be dismissed cause a lot of the time that's the main reason why they got attacked in the first place (Dark kingdom attacked aside from Beryl wanting revenge because they wanted to be inmortal and have their powers, Black Moon cause they didn't want to be inmortal and considered peace an ilusion) And well, this is how Crystal Tokyo happens: In the manga: Usagi was offered to rule again after she defeats Metallia, but she declines for a normal life, however, the castle and her kingdom stay there, according to King Endymion, after Usagi had Chibiusa she stopped aging (I believe the age was 22) and took her position as the queen, purifying the world and establishing the kingdom in the city. The powers of the silver Crystal gave the people of earth longivity, so basically everyone who accpted the Moon Family got to live for many years beyond normal. According to the King again, the average lifespam of a human is 1000 years old. It's why in the manga Chibiusa is 900, andf why she wanted to grow up so desperately like her mother. Basically after they grew to maturity the aging stop, however she never grew past her 10 (?) year old body, which is why they were able to turn her into Black lady, cause of her desire to grow up. In the anime: For some reason they exclude talking about the inmortality part but rather explain the situation through a vague story of how earth was frozen in place due to darkness that tried to cover it, and that it stayed that way till Neo Queen Serinity unleashed her powers through the Silver Crystal and purified earth, creating her kingdom of Crystal tokyo. Basically the explanation here is that everyone was just frozen till the 30th century. severely weak explanation but the anime always took several short cuts. but in both cases is same people and earth becom,es this way cause Usagi takes the place of her mother in the Moon Kingdom, and establishes the new Silver Milenium. Everyone lives in a new paradised earth and such. |
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| Tristan | Sep 4 2009, 02:25 PM Post #24 |
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But R series takes place after C series so how it is possible that earth is frozen after war with metalia? In general thanks for bringing the story in shorter version , during watching 200 epizodes of anime many of them did not contribute much to the story being more about the characters and interactions beetwen them rather than focusing on big picture, so it makes more sense when put in this way . |
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| ArtemisX | Sep 4 2009, 03:09 PM Post #25 |
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No no, I think I'm just confusing you which is why is best to just tell you to rewatch or reread wherever this is explained. The World Froze over in the anime after some event that happens after Sailor Stars. It had nothing to do with the battle of Metalia in this case. In the manga, after the battle against Metalia, Usagi is offered the kingdom again (The castle rebuilts itself on the Moon) but she declines only to later take it when she's 22 (And stops aging and presumbly is at full power to once again become a moon being, her hair changing to silver again) which also happens after Stars. |
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