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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 28 2009, 12:01 AM (1,183 Views) | |
| Circe | Jun 28 2009, 12:01 AM Post #1 |
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This probably belongs in Story, but it can be moved, right? The S arc of the manga and the S arc of the anime have a few differences, oneof them being the talismans thing. In the manga, Uranus and Neptune seem to know that they possess the talismans. In the anime, however, they spend a lot of their time looking for the talimsans, and even interfere with Pure Hearts so they can look for them. That's something that Uranus and Neptune probably wouldn't d in the manga: get an innocent person involved or hurt. What will they do when the time comes int he game? Will they know they have them, or will they look? |
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| Chains Of Fate | Jun 28 2009, 10:35 AM Post #2 |
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It will be like in the manga. ^^ |
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| Circe | Jun 28 2009, 04:07 PM Post #3 |
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That's good. I like the manga's S better...I kind of just like the manga better.
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| Daio | Jun 29 2009, 10:16 AM Post #4 |
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Heavenly King
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I'm so happy to hear this. The anime made them seem a little too...heartless? (lawl pun) |
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| Rumn-Snuffles | Jul 2 2009, 09:47 PM Post #5 |
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Anthropomorphic Personification
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Hah... hah... hah... But I guess the anime did add another dimension... But they did seem needlessly cruel, and are antisocial enough in the manga... not to mention better dressed
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| Tristan | Aug 23 2009, 08:18 AM Post #6 |
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Moon Fairy
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personally i think that the idea of kiling people to save the world was great , tell me , honestly Do you see Usagi/Serenity as a queen ? A leader? NO. Because being a leader means taking hard decisions even when they harm our morality or ethics , for example if one of you could travel thru time and kill Hitler in for example 1909 would you do this? He was quite a good boy by that time mind you. And the other thing , when Churchil allowed bombardment of a british city (he knew about it before but he did not react) in order to hide the fact that enigma code was broken , sometimes you have to sacrifice few to save many . That is why I find the story in anime so captivating , we have good , honest and very moral persons and they are being put in very difficult situation , watching them when they reinforce the necesity and value of a mission in one another was great thing . Usagi can't do it , she just want to save anyone ,its anime so it works but in reality she would be very poor queen , I would see her as a spiritual leader of Crystal tokio ( like Dalajlama or Pope) but certanly not a political leader . And about her crystal , its a total weapon , brainwasher , "purify" someone with it and he never will attack the Queen and C tokio . Its easy to be a leader of a country when you have got the power to "purify" your oponnents . So I very liked the moral ambivalency of s season making it my most favorite . |
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| Circe | Aug 23 2009, 09:23 AM Post #7 |
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I think Neo Queen Serenity is a good queen! Might I add that killing Hitler (just an example) would drastically change the world's history and the present. And I think Usagi knows that. She's wiser than you think! |
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| Tristan | Aug 23 2009, 09:35 AM Post #8 |
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ok hitler was poor example . But I stand with the example I gave with Churchil , and Usagi ? She is the type of ruler who will send his army to protect village (totally alien unknown before non-important etc.) just to protect a few citizens , at the end the overall number of dead among the soldiers will be greater then number of villagers but her ethics will be saved . Don't get me wrong i love anime , but usagi a queen ? Gives me the creeps . |
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| flamesoul32 | Aug 23 2009, 12:15 PM Post #9 |
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I personally believe that by the time Usagi is Queen she would be quite a bit more mature then she is in the majority of the show. I think that at that point she would either understand that being a ruler means making hard decisions or that something would happen that would force her to realize this. However I also have to say that Usagi is Usagi and that she will always uphold her beliefs. She would be a ruler that could make hard decisions, that doesn't mean she would like it or that she wouldn't do all she can to save every person involved. Edited by flamesoul32, Aug 23 2009, 12:20 PM.
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| Tristan | Aug 23 2009, 03:02 PM Post #10 |
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Moon Fairy
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well let's hope so , but remember that making hard decisions (taking life of 3 people by Uranos and Neptune) was also a very hard decision for them that is why I am dissagreeing with former writers (one of them said that Uranos and Neptune were heartless in anime ) which proves my point , you can't be a ruler and have really clean hands , thats sad fact :-( |
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| Chains Of Fate | Aug 23 2009, 03:21 PM Post #11 |
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President of Crystal Tokyo
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I think that they were called heartless because Uranus and Neptune were very set in their ways and not open to the idea of getting the talismans without taking lives because it would mean a tougher path. It was how they went about doing what they did that made them so heartless. Not willing to work with Sailor Moon and the others, what was mentioned above, etc. And Usagi is Usagi. She will do whatever it takes to save the world with as few casualties as possible. While that might not work in a real-life scenario of real world leaders and wars, we're not talking about real life. And the whole "purification" thing doesn't apply to the manga. The worst of criminals were sent to Nemesis instead of facing the death sentence but death sentences are pretty controversial even in real life and only used in the most extreme of circumstances. |
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| Tristan | Aug 23 2009, 03:26 PM Post #12 |
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maybe they didn't know that there is any other way . And they couldn't ally themselves with inner senshi because there goals where completely different , inners wanted to protect hearts of man outers knew that in some point they will begin to kill , inners would never accept that and alliance would turn in open battle . Besides nobody knew that any other path existed , outers made they decision basing on known facts , inners were basing on wishes! |
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| Chains Of Fate | Aug 23 2009, 03:36 PM Post #13 |
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The key here though is that Usagi was right---no one had to die and the day could be saved. |
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| Tristan | Aug 23 2009, 03:46 PM Post #14 |
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and here my briliant friend you are wrong . every plan and strategy should always be considered from the angle "what they knew at the moment" imagine situation you are military commander you order your troops to advance without reconessaince etc. but you suceed . 5 minut later you want be in the army . why? Because what you did was plainly stupid , there could be mines traps ambushes itd yet you as a commander ignored it. And now to our situation the world existence is in stake the only reasonbly course of action is keep to the plan of the greatest possiblity of sukces , inners didn't have plan they were just praying for miracle . Even when you play chess you have to create some kind of opening strategy("that is my objective i will try to accompli it by doing this and that) inners just rush into action hoping for the best . |
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| Chains Of Fate | Aug 23 2009, 03:55 PM Post #15 |
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Of course, had the Inners been in charge of that whole operation it probably would have failed miserably because they couldn't do what it took. It was a combined effort from both parties that saved the day, but my point was in the end Usagi was able to save everything and no one died. (Well, died and stayed that way.) |
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good , honest and very moral persons and they are being put in very difficult situation , watching them when they reinforce the necesity and value of a mission in one another was great thing . Usagi can't do it , she just want to save anyone ,its anime so it works but in reality she would be very poor queen , I would see her as a spiritual leader of Crystal tokio ( like Dalajlama or Pope) but certanly not a political leader . 
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