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Sailor Cosmos; Might be a little early to ask this, but
Topic Started: Apr 13 2009, 12:02 AM (3,414 Views)
YaminoSenshi
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I was curious, how are you going to handle Cosmos?

I've talked to someone who has read the Japanese manga, and she said that Cosmos is not Usagi in any way shape or form, at least not as indicated in the manga. According to her, a popular fan theory is that she is a descendant of the Moon family way down the line (Chibi Moon's daughter, grand-daughter, etc). Soo...is Cosmos going to be handled in the way most American fans view her, as a future form of Usagi, or a future form of the title of Sailor Moon?

This may be asking for spoilers...I'm not trying to. Since you're trying to keep to Naoko's vision, I just think it would be better for Cosmos to not be any form of either Usagi (20th century or 30th century). Any chance we could get some clarification?
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Chains Of Fate
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Interesting, I thought that it was clear that she was the future form of Usagi. >.> I'll have to look through the more accurate translation that I've read through and see, it's been awhile since I read it. I definitely want to keep her as intended though, not popular belief.
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sicknpsyko
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It always seemed to be that there was a lot of speculation on Sailor Cosmos.
When reading the manga I don't remember being sure of anything of what or who she was. It's been a while for me too though. JupiterConfused
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Hermes
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Mmm, actually, I do think Sailor Cosmos is the final future form of Usagi.

In the Japanese manga, when the Sailor Quartetto meet Sailor Cosmos, they literally say "Masaka! Anata ha mirai no Sailor Moon no kyuukyoku no sugata?!", which means "No way! You are the ultimate form of Sailor Moon in the future?!".

The problem here could arise when adressing that "mirai / future" thing.
It's common belief that the Sailor Moon status will someday be acquired by ChibiUsa and the following heiresses of the Silver Millennium family until they ascend to the throne (Naoko never directly said so as far as I know, though).

Could it be, then, that the "Sailor Moon in the future" quote is refrerring to some of those Usagi's grand-grand-(...)daughters once they've already gained the Sailor Moon nomenclature? Making quite a big effort, we can say maybe.

But, later on, Sailor Cosmos says "I remember this battle. Would there be so much pain if I had destroyed the Cauldron in the past? I had lots of regrets, so I came back to do things again. My self here was also alone, she was suffering, so I stayed near and supported her".

These sentences are key to understand who Sailor Cosmos most probably is: Usagi in a very distant future, maybe further than the Crystal Tokyo era. Cosmos talks about having memories of the present battle at the Cauldron, and calls Usagi "my self".

In fact, I think all this is pretty clear and there should be very few doubts about Cosmos' identity. The big true mystery about her is how she came to be and which events she had to face that were so terrible and anguishing.

Which may be what Chains has in mind for the brand-new sixth arc of the game...
Edited by Hermes, Apr 13 2009, 02:18 PM.
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ArtemisX
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I never thought there was question that it was Usagi either... for basically the same reasons Hermes just stated.

And you know, if Chain's Fanwritten arc is not related to her, I do hope he takes that possible idea into consideration since it would rock if Sailor Cosmos was eventually involved as a playable.
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Daio
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Personally, I've never liked the idea that Sailor Moon was Sailor Cosmos. I've always preferred for her to be a completely separate entity. As well, it would break the chain of things. In all of Sailor Moon's forms, she is still Sailor Moon (Super Sailor Moon, Eternal Sailor Moon, etc). To me, it would make sense for Sailor Cosmos to be a completely separate entity from a different planet, or birthed from the Sailor Cauldron (???) as an entity for the sole purpose of keeping order, in the same line as Saturn.

However, I wouldn't completely mind if she was part of the Millennium line such as an ancestor of Usagi. Though how she traveled ~*from the future*~ to that battle would be beyond me.
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ArtemisX
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Yeah but this isn't about liking it or not, this is about what Naoko intended, and most of the evidence points to Usagi and her being the same thing.

I mean I don't like that Chibiusa exist and many times I wished she would've died horribly, but she never did. I'm not trying to dispute the theory that she isn't Usagi and everyone has a right to interpret it as they liked. But this is about what Naoko intended, and she said she was the future Sailor Moon.

http://www.sailor-games.com/misc2/interview.html

Plus again, with her dialogue posted by Hermes. Of course, since the game is going to so mixed with all addaptations, Chains is free to use any he wanted. Or he might choose to leave it vague.
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Blue Saphir
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when i read the manga, i had no idea who she was

thanks for the clearification!! :D
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Chains Of Fate
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She will definitely be in the sixth arc of the game, though I won't say how. : 3
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Sirensong
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I have problems remembering the Sailor Moon manga because I read it so long ago, but I have always felt a little strangely about Sailor Moon and Sailor Chibi Moon, and the others. For Sailor Moon and Sailor Chibi Moon, I have never felt they were the same person, but two entities in the Moon Kingdom Royalty bloodline. I believe that each is reincarnated throughout the history of the Moon Kingdom (as are the other soldiers, which would sort of explain why Sailor Chibi Moon eventually has her own team, as the older team would be her mother's and they'd all be alive at the same time, instead of being reincarnated). I also believe that Sailor Chibi Chibi is the young version of Sailor Cosmos, and that Sailor Cosmos is a future evolution/incarnation of Sailor Moon's spirit. Sadly enough, I'm much more familiar with the anime than the manga, even though I believe the manga is somewhat superior (I enjoy both very much), so I sometimes want to confuse things by saying that Chibi Chibi is Sailor Galaxia.

I've also wondered: Is the Sun itself protected by a guardian in the manga? I do remember reading on some website a very long time ago that it was under Tuxedo Kamen's protection, along with the Earth. I didn't like that argument though, because I like the idea of Sailor Sun and have made my own character that fits within Sailor Moon's world (although mainly within the anime version). Since this is a topic about characters, I was wondering which way that was going to go, or if it had been put onto the table for consideration.

Also, I believe this is my first post, so hi there!, and I'm super excited about this game :). Keep up the good work! (But don't forget to take breaks so you don't get burned out!)

EDIT: Oh, the two spirts (Moon and Chibi Moon) only really take into consideration the survival of two generations of the Moon Kingdom Royal family... what if there's a grandmother or granddaughter who is neither one of these spirits? I don't think it would be feasable to say that there can only be two generations at one time, that a third mysteriously dies so that the soul can be reincarnated. That'd be rather sad. So perhaps, Cosmos and/or Chibi Chibi represent the third soul? Or perhaps there is no reincarnation at all, except in certain special circumstances, and it is only the positions that are passed down (the Sailor "jobs").
Edited by Sirensong, Apr 14 2009, 09:54 PM.
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Daio
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Siren, I'm pretty sure that in Sailor Moon the sun is just a big ball of gas. Helios MIGHT hold the crystal of the sun (The golden crystal, I think) but that might just be speculation because of his name.
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Apr 15 2009, 05:35 AM
Siren, I'm pretty sure that in Sailor Moon the sun is just a big ball of gas. Helios MIGHT hold the crystal of the sun (The golden crystal, I think) but that might just be speculation because of his name.
Come to think of it, it's quite hard to imagine a colony built on the surface of the sun... I guess you could have floating sort of islands on the sun, though they'd need lots of magic power to stay there...

I suppose the sun's just too wild to control and harness the powers of... Well, that's how I see it. UsagiLaugh
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Cloud
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Sailor Cosmos is the future form of Sailor Moon, yes, but this could be also read "She is an entity born from Sailor Moon" this actually happened when Usagi/Moon has summoned all the sailor crystals during the last manga fight, all the crystals of the universe merged in the same one (Cosmos crystal), and Sailor Moon "evolved" into Sailor Cosmos, that's way Cosmos has Usagi's body.
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Circe
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It would be fun if Cosmos was playable in the original arc you're writing, Chains... UsagiSneaky LunaDown
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Rumn-Snuffles
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Jun 9 2009, 06:36 PM
Sailor Cosmos is the future form of Sailor Moon, yes, but this could be also read "She is an entity born from Sailor Moon" this actually happened when Usagi/Moon has summoned all the sailor crystals during the last manga fight, all the crystals of the universe merged in the same one (Cosmos crystal), and Sailor Moon "evolved" into Sailor Cosmos, that's way Cosmos has Usagi's body.
Kinda cool but... It'd be a shame not to have any other soldiers around when Sailor Cosmos is... but I guess they're kind of redundant if she's got all their power anyway...

But wouldn't it be weird if her personality was sort of affected by all those different planets? It'd be all the senshi in one O_O
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