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Can Sailor Moon come back to the U.S.??
Topic Started: Jul 22 2006, 02:12 PM (833 Views)
Squirrel3D
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VampirePaladin
Nov 14 2006, 10:11 AM
They ment "Sailor Moons" as in multiple episodes of Sailor Moon. Weird grammatical choice to be sure but it's not incorrect. They didn't mean more then one of the character.

Well if they were trying to go for a brain tease, it worked. I still didn't like the promo. They refered to sailor moon's "weapons" as wands and also used S movie footage.
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VampirePaladin
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They aren't wands? They sure look like it to me. Okay they each have a different name like wand, scepter, rod, etc. But when you get right down to it they all act like wands (even though it would be amusing seeing her use them as clubs). I use "wand" as a catchall phrase when talking about all of them (and what else do you call them).

I do agree about using the movie footage though. And how come there was no promo for the SuperS episodes?

Oh on a random note the voice used for Rini in the 3rd and 4th season of the dub is actually a radio dj in Canada. And her intro song is called "Real Sugar Baby" which she sings in her Rini voice (yeah I use dub names when talking about the dub).

EDIT: You may be interested in Animax. It's a satelite channel availible in Japan, Asia and Latin America. Here is what I think you'd find interesting.

"Animax have also produced and aired uncensored English versions and dubs of anime series, among the most notable of them being their dub of Cardcaptor Sakura, which was shown uncensored and retained all of the original names, plot details and dialogue, and numerous others."

Since I know how strongly you feal about the American dub maybe it would be possible to find that dub somewhere online?
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Squirrel3D
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So let me get this straight, there's a redub of cardcaptor sakura out there that retains the orignal names and all? What about Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon...they going after that?

Is Animax being marketed on a word to mouth or something? I never heard of this until you just told me. And since I have comcast digital cable, and I don't live in those countries....that leaves me and millions of others out.
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VampirePaladin
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They wouldn't be able to show their dub of Cardcaptor Sakura because they do not have the rights to it in North America. But maybe you can find this dub online or on region free dvds or something.

The company is run by Sony. I have heard rumors that they are considering airing that channel through Comcast in the US. However there are no official reports on any plans to launch the station in North America.
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Squirrel3D
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Really? Then this Sony channel may be the thing that saves the image of japanese animes in america. As a matter of fact...maybe they can use my article!!
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cronorei
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One thing to remember is that you don't have to convince Naoko Takeuchi, you have to convince Toei that it would be wise to allow english dubbers to re-do the show.

And not to be mean or anything but its been nearly a decade since the show finished airing and toei still hasn't changed its mind about keeping the show in japan.
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VampirePaladin
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Well they did redub Gatchaman (third time being dubbed) and it was made in the 70s. So there is always a chance for the future.

Personally I see a company getting the rights to Sailor Stars and dubbing it to be consistent with the previous dubs but keeping all the story and new stuff the same as the Japanese the most likely.
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Squirrel3D
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I believe by redubing the anime from scratch using the ideas I present.....will the product have a better chance of success here in america.

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One thing to remember is that you don't have to convince Naoko Takeuchi, you have to convince Toei that it would be wise to allow english dubbers to re-do the show.


But was she not upset by the way her product was being recieved here in the states? I think convincing Mrs. Takeuchi is very vital becuase 1) She created PSSM, and 2) She'll feel much better knowing her masterpiece gets a much better reception here in the united states becuase it was remarketed the way it should be.

And DUH, you don't have to tell me what I already know about Toei being convinced to allow a group in the states to redub the product. I explained this in my article.


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Personally I see a company getting the rights to Sailor Stars and dubbing it to be consistent with the previous dubs but keeping all the story and new stuff the same as the Japanese the most likely.


All that's gonna do is take us right back to square one, and right back to the reason the product should be remarketed in the first place. The last thing people who were begging for an english dub of Stars wants is to get another dose of what was done to this anime series in the past.
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All that's gonna do is take us right back to square one, and right back to the reason the product should be remarketed in the first place. The last thing people who were begging for an english dub of Stars wants is to get another dose of what was done to this anime series in the past.


I never mentioned what fans most wanted to see. I said which seems to be the most likely thing to happen in terms of dubbing Sailor Moon in the US. It is more likely for a company to just grab Sailor Star and dub to be backwards consistant and keeping it the same otherwise then it is for them to redub the entire series. If you read the Mixx translation of the manga for example, characters that were introduced in the first two arcs used thier dub names (except they cheated a bit and made fer Serena "Bunny" Tsukino to make it a bit closer) but everyone introduced in the 3rd, 4th or 5th arcs has their original names.

Actually scratch that I see the most likely thing to be a retranslation of the manga in right to left format. It would be much cheaper then any dubbing and would help gauge how well redoing Sailor Moon anime will do.
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cronorei
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If I recall she liked the reception in the states. it was pretty popular, even for being maimed. And what I meant by convincing Toei, is that they have the rights to the series. She might have created it but they created the animated version. Even if she gave the OK, it wouldn't matter if they refuse.


Best i can figure is to give her possible good groups that do dubs in the states to show an example on how the end result could be compared to before, and give Toei the same examples.

Best I can think of from the top of my head would be to use Yu Yu Hakusho as an example. Since its her husband's creation and another very popular thing in america. the english manga and anime both did well and were translated/released in the states with no real problems at all, the only censoring was toonami's or ordered by toonami for thier airing, the DVDs had the original scripts and art still. Since you're going for an anime re-release suggest funimation to do it, and suggest the best team members from thier various shows, yuyu, blue gender, ect ect that did well and were left intact.

And I haven't read your article
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Squirrel3D
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cronorei
Nov 15 2006, 07:48 PM
And I haven't read your article

Well then that sums up why you shouldn't even be speaking this thread. Get back to me when you've read the article.

And no I don't want funimation to do this. See then dragonball series, and then you'll wonder why I'm afraid they'll do the same job to PSSM.
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cronorei
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Dragon ball was thier first major thing, look at recent stuff instead of that. Also its best to remember DragonBall was thier best dub of the entire series, DBZ wasn't horrible (the original music wasn't half bad) DBGT had horrible music though for the most part, but the voice acting was still pretty good. DragonBall though retained its original music, and had the actors that already had experience with DBZ.

And Like I said suggest a certain team. the best director there is probably Justin Cook,and hes a pretty good VA too. And they have plenty of other good people there too. And since you want the VA for this game to do the re-dub, you would have to go with a Texas dub group anyway, which funimation is the best of those. Dubbing groups on the east and west coast and I think the ones in Canada as well are in the Union (SCG) and this is definitely going to be non-union work for no-name people to be doing the voice acting.


And i went ahead and read your article, I didn't at first because I figured you would know what you were talking about if you were being so ambitious but guess I was wrong. Typos and grammar issues aside as they can easily be fixed, there are several things wrong with the article, and an obvious bias in the tone and overall order of things.

I can honestly say if I was sent something like that in an effort to re-release my work, I would refuse from a business standpoint. All the writer did was point out flaws in the dub and ways they think it should be changed without given good planned ways to fix it. I'm sure this is just an extremely early version but it still needs much improvement. I've already given plenty of ideas in this thread that I would make sure to include if I ever wrote something ambitious like this with the intention of changing the mind of a large animation company, original creator, and distribution company (you will have to convince one of these as well if you want toei to take you seriously)


Also some more research is needed, you speak as if anime is still like it was in the 80s and early 90s. Used to be non-anime fans only knew shows like Dragon Ball Z, sailor moon, speed racer, ect ect because they either grew up with it or it was just that popular. But now I see people who don't even watch anime that know what Haruhi Suzumiya is, can spot Excel Saga spoofs of other anime, or can identify parodies of anime in normal shows. SNL's most recent 'T.V. Funhouse' episode was a dragonballZ parody and they even used footage from the show and made up songs using the Japanese versions of those songs (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hkq6Qn0nQY but NBC is having copies of the movie removed so I don't know how long that link will work) And Southpark the movie parodied the freeza fight as well. When anime is getting parodied in mainstream media and the general public gets it, thats a sign anime is becoming more well known. while the anime fandom itsself is growing as well, although it is also becoming more ignorant as the younger viewers only watch new shows. I cringe when I mention Blue Seed and somebody asks "gundam seed?" and Blue seed isnt even that old. anyway, anime is reaching its peak in america in terms of popularity, and the majority of shows are coming out completely uncensored, but its been that way for a long time.

Ok thats a shitload of text, I'm stopping now
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*reads article from ages ago* You're right, just because it's a style of cartoon doesnt mean it's for kids, take South Park for example, thats a cartoon but its not broacasted on Cartoonetwork is it? I think we need a completley separate channel to broadcast animes on, redub/edit them (or just sub the japanese ones) and let people see what REALLY happened to the senshi in 'Usagi's wish'. I still think SM has potential left, it's always ended happily and shown them the next day in conversation, to me Chaos was just another enemy, there's room for more I think. Or at the very least put it back on air (and maybe put the manga back in print while they're at it XD).
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