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http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/26/politics/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-ruling/
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Who was it who said, "I'm totally for same-sex marriage. Why shouldn't gays be as miserable as the rest of us?" XD
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I'm not even gay and I'm excited about this.

I know a bunch of gay dudes who are going to be throwing amazing parties all summer over this.
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A terrible week for the United States. The Supreme Court has issued three of the worst decisions I've ever seen in rapid fire, the fallout of which will do unknowable damage to the rights of citizens as they are pitted against one another as the government bloats and pisses away their children's future. The Roberts court is the worst court since the Warren court. The extreme damage this court has done to the rule of law, to separation of powers, to the Republic, and to the Enlightenment notions of individual liberty and government accountability is enraging. This is a regressive administration. The nation is post Constitution. It is meaningless to these people, and they honor it only in the breach.

To read the justifications for the outcomes in these cases is an absolute embarrassment, made only more offensive given the scathing rebukes put forward in the dissenting justice's opinions. I don't give a damn about gay marriage, the whole notion that government is the guarantor and supplier of rights and goodies is patently offensive and an affront to every principal that the country was founded upon.

The courts will be awash with lawsuits as radical activists attempt to destroy communities, as a majority of the Supreme Court's unthinking wing has decided that you don't need to prove actual discrimination to sue communities for discrimination. Now, all you have to do is open a map with corresponding racial data and if there's not whatever they decide is a sufficient amount of non-white people there, they can and will be hamstrung with lawsuits anyway because, despite a lack of ACTUAL prejudice or evidence of prejudice, they must all be subconsciously prejudiced. We are literally past thought crime territory. This is presumption of guilt of gestalt thought crime.

Then we are move into the disastrous Obamascam decision, which now makes it Obama & SCOTUScam, where the court has re-written the law AGAIN in violation of their oaths and the Constitution, using the most asinine reasoning. Despite the PLAIN TEXT of the Congressionally passed and Presidentially signed law, the Court under the treacherous Roberts decided that they know better than the people who wrote the law what they really meant when they wrote it, despite overwhelming written and taped discourse as evidence to the contrary. The reasoning being that Congress would NEVER do something wrong, so the Court should get to re-write laws for them because they can't be allowed to fuck things up when they promised that everything would be sunshine, lollipops, and rainbow stew. This is so inherently fucked up, and anti-American. We now have a situation where the law does not matter! What the law plainly states does not matter to those who make the laws if it should happen that something is currently politically inconvenient at the moment. Where it only matters what big government claims the law is at one moment, and if that's totally different from the last moment, then who cares. Where big government is always right, all the time.

And finally gay marriage forced across the entire country, irrelevant of actual public opinion, actual laws, the actual Constitution, actual judicial authority. Another decision where one delusional man gets to pretend he has the authority to invent rights to bestow on people, and anyone who disagrees is an "enemy of the human race." (literally, a quote from a Kennedy opinion) I will re-iterate, I don't give a damn about homosexuals hooking their anchors together, but where this will obviously head now is more radical activists attempting to destroy faith institutions and individuals who will not go blindly along and cater to their demands. Fuck the window dressing notions they glossed over in the majority opinion that this means nothing for people who choose to live their lives, it doesn't mean shit. They have created a situation where people will now attempt to destroy and terrorize other citizens with the power of the government for disagreeing. How can this proceed in any other fashion then people attempting to prove who's right is righter than the other person's right. This will be a wound that will never heal, much like the abortion debate, another manufactured "right" by the Smugpreme Court that has pissed people off for decades.

All of this chaos brought to you by the Supreme Politburo. The court has ruined it's reputation for generations. Even if you agree with gay marriage, it is plain and obvious that this body has degenerated into a wholly political mockery of what it was intended to be.
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gays r gay
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I don't give a shit. I'm upset at the timing because it seems to be a clever way to divert attention from TPP, a significantly larger threat to America than "muh gays marrying" or "muh confederate flag".
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......The Phanton Pain is a threat to America?
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Ovan
Jun 27 2015, 09:11 AM
......The Phanton Pain is a threat to America?
Kojima was allegedly working with that head transplant guy after all...XD

Seriously though, hot damn. What a historic day.
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Jun 26 2015, 09:24 PM
A terrible week for the United States. The Supreme Court has issued three of the worst decisions I've ever seen in rapid fire, the fallout of which will do unknowable damage to the rights of citizens as they are pitted against one another as the government bloats and pisses away their children's future. The Roberts court is the worst court since the Warren court. The extreme damage this court has done to the rule of law, to separation of powers, to the Republic, and to the Enlightenment notions of individual liberty and government accountability is enraging. This is a regressive administration. The nation is post Constitution. It is meaningless to these people, and they honor it only in the breach.

To read the justifications for the outcomes in these cases is an absolute embarrassment, made only more offensive given the scathing rebukes put forward in the dissenting justice's opinions. I don't give a damn about gay marriage, the whole notion that government is the guarantor and supplier of rights and goodies is patently offensive and an affront to every principal that the country was founded upon.

The courts will be awash with lawsuits as radical activists attempt to destroy communities, as a majority of the Supreme Court's unthinking wing has decided that you don't need to prove actual discrimination to sue communities for discrimination. Now, all you have to do is open a map with corresponding racial data and if there's not whatever they decide is a sufficient amount of non-white people there, they can and will be hamstrung with lawsuits anyway because, despite a lack of ACTUAL prejudice or evidence of prejudice, they must all be subconsciously prejudiced. We are literally past thought crime territory. This is presumption of guilt of gestalt thought crime.

Then we are move into the disastrous Obamascam decision, which now makes it Obama & SCOTUScam, where the court has re-written the law AGAIN in violation of their oaths and the Constitution, using the most asinine reasoning. Despite the PLAIN TEXT of the Congressionally passed and Presidentially signed law, the Court under the treacherous Roberts decided that they know better than the people who wrote the law what they really meant when they wrote it, despite overwhelming written and taped discourse as evidence to the contrary. The reasoning being that Congress would NEVER do something wrong, so the Court should get to re-write laws for them because they can't be allowed to fuck things up when they promised that everything would be sunshine, lollipops, and rainbow stew. This is so inherently fucked up, and anti-American. We now have a situation where the law does not matter! What the law plainly states does not matter to those who make the laws if it should happen that something is currently politically inconvenient at the moment. Where it only matters what big government claims the law is at one moment, and if that's totally different from the last moment, then who cares. Where big government is always right, all the time.

And finally gay marriage forced across the entire country, irrelevant of actual public opinion, actual laws, the actual Constitution, actual judicial authority. Another decision where one delusional man gets to pretend he has the authority to invent rights to bestow on people, and anyone who disagrees is an "enemy of the human race." (literally, a quote from a Kennedy opinion) I will re-iterate, I don't give a damn about homosexuals hooking their anchors together, but where this will obviously head now is more radical activists attempting to destroy faith institutions and individuals who will not go blindly along and cater to their demands. Fuck the window dressing notions they glossed over in the majority opinion that this means nothing for people who choose to live their lives, it doesn't mean shit. They have created a situation where people will now attempt to destroy and terrorize other citizens with the power of the government for disagreeing. How can this proceed in any other fashion then people attempting to prove who's right is righter than the other person's right. This will be a wound that will never heal, much like the abortion debate, another manufactured "right" by the Smugpreme Court that has pissed people off for decades.

All of this chaos brought to you by the Supreme Politburo. The court has ruined it's reputation for generations. Even if you agree with gay marriage, it is plain and obvious that this body has degenerated into a wholly political mockery of what it was intended to be.
Oh right, you live in the South.
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Jun 26 2015, 09:24 PM
A terrible week for the United States. The Supreme Court has issued three of the worst decisions I've ever seen in rapid fire, the fallout of which will do unknowable damage to the rights of citizens as they are pitted against one another as the government bloats and pisses away their children's future. The Roberts court is the worst court since the Warren court. The extreme damage this court has done to the rule of law, to separation of powers, to the Republic, and to the Enlightenment notions of individual liberty and government accountability is enraging. This is a regressive administration. The nation is post Constitution. It is meaningless to these people, and they honor it only in the breach.

To read the justifications for the outcomes in these cases is an absolute embarrassment, made only more offensive given the scathing rebukes put forward in the dissenting justice's opinions. I don't give a damn about gay marriage, the whole notion that government is the guarantor and supplier of rights and goodies is patently offensive and an affront to every principal that the country was founded upon.

The courts will be awash with lawsuits as radical activists attempt to destroy communities, as a majority of the Supreme Court's unthinking wing has decided that you don't need to prove actual discrimination to sue communities for discrimination. Now, all you have to do is open a map with corresponding racial data and if there's not whatever they decide is a sufficient amount of non-white people there, they can and will be hamstrung with lawsuits anyway because, despite a lack of ACTUAL prejudice or evidence of prejudice, they must all be subconsciously prejudiced. We are literally past thought crime territory. This is presumption of guilt of gestalt thought crime.

Then we are move into the disastrous Obamascam decision, which now makes it Obama & SCOTUScam, where the court has re-written the law AGAIN in violation of their oaths and the Constitution, using the most asinine reasoning. Despite the PLAIN TEXT of the Congressionally passed and Presidentially signed law, the Court under the treacherous Roberts decided that they know better than the people who wrote the law what they really meant when they wrote it, despite overwhelming written and taped discourse as evidence to the contrary. The reasoning being that Congress would NEVER do something wrong, so the Court should get to re-write laws for them because they can't be allowed to fuck things up when they promised that everything would be sunshine, lollipops, and rainbow stew. This is so inherently fucked up, and anti-American. We now have a situation where the law does not matter! What the law plainly states does not matter to those who make the laws if it should happen that something is currently politically inconvenient at the moment. Where it only matters what big government claims the law is at one moment, and if that's totally different from the last moment, then who cares. Where big government is always right, all the time.

And finally gay marriage forced across the entire country, irrelevant of actual public opinion, actual laws, the actual Constitution, actual judicial authority. Another decision where one delusional man gets to pretend he has the authority to invent rights to bestow on people, and anyone who disagrees is an "enemy of the human race." (literally, a quote from a Kennedy opinion) I will re-iterate, I don't give a damn about homosexuals hooking their anchors together, but where this will obviously head now is more radical activists attempting to destroy faith institutions and individuals who will not go blindly along and cater to their demands. Fuck the window dressing notions they glossed over in the majority opinion that this means nothing for people who choose to live their lives, it doesn't mean shit. They have created a situation where people will now attempt to destroy and terrorize other citizens with the power of the government for disagreeing. How can this proceed in any other fashion then people attempting to prove who's right is righter than the other person's right. This will be a wound that will never heal, much like the abortion debate, another manufactured "right" by the Smugpreme Court that has pissed people off for decades.

All of this chaos brought to you by the Supreme Politburo. The court has ruined it's reputation for generations. Even if you agree with gay marriage, it is plain and obvious that this body has degenerated into a wholly political mockery of what it was intended to be.
I thought (hoped) this had to be a joke, a deliberate and over-the-top parody of the rednecks gnashing their teeth.

The notion that this is the beginnings of some nationwide assault on decency, faith and free thought is an absolute joke. You sound like one of those lunatics on the The Blaze who are doomsaying about the future legislation that will approve SWAT raids on churches, a declaration of war on the Roman Catholic Church, a declaration of atheism as the state "religion" and God knows how much other nonsense.

You want to know the precedent this sets? Gays can get married, and the government shouldn't go around treating people as sub-human trash because it hurts their religious feelings.

But apparently telling the religious right they can't have their way 100% of the time is tantamount to repealing the First Amendment and declaring open season on Christianity, instead of, you know, giving people the right to live however they wish without a bunch of dogmatic homophones spitting venom at everyone who didn't like their book.

The Oatmeal put it best. To paraphrase, the people gnashing their teeth over gay marriage will be in 50 years what the racist old grandmas muttering about interracial marriage are today.
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Ovan
Jun 27 2015, 09:11 AM
......The Phanton Pain is a threat to America?
Once again, this is no laughing matter.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/the-trans-pacific-trade-tpp-agreement-must-be-defeated?inline=file

Also relevant since I know you watch this show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8

So yeah. I know everyone is all really happy right now over gay rights but with this still hanging overhead it's hard to put that frown upside-down.
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None of this makes anime girls real. In between working and sleeping, I just can't fathom caring about anything else.
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You know, I started typing something equally spiteful as to what you both posted, because it is so offensive to say something that blatantly ignorant and dismissive, but in retrospect that would be wrong, so I checked myself. I actually consider you people my friends, and for you to spit in my face in such an ignorant manner is absolutely uncalled for. It does not matter one whit where someone is from. I can't change that anymore than somebody who is gay can have it prayed away, and for you to act in such an ignorant manner is offensive. You don't know a thing about who I am at my core, much less on the surface level. A FUCKING THING, yet you superimpose all your prejudices against what you've been told boogeyman Southerners are onto me because it makes you feel some baseless truly empty sense of superiority? You both should stop that.

All three of the cases that I listed are HORRENDOUS rulings just from this week with no intelligible basis in constitutional law and when they will be used as precedence in cases that will be filed in the future it will cause only further problems. They decided they wanted to make the decisions they wanted, and then twisted whatever logic they needed to fit their pre-disposed personal opinions. You can not read the published pieces the majority themselves released and say otherwise if you have an understanding of their role as justices. The court has no right or authority to engineer and re-engineer society as it sees fit outside of it's enumerated Constitutional authority. There was no jurisprudence here, this was activism.

But the Supreme Court has a history of heinous and rulings, tough. It's endorsed slavery. It's endorsed mass imprisonment of innocent civilians. It's endorsed government theft of private property. It's endorsed government taxing citizens for not engaging in private economic activity, and the list goes on. The litany of crimes of the Supreme Court is the worst of any branch, only because they are alleged to be infallible and beyond reproach. A war had to be fought to fix their crimes with slavery, where they denied that human beings have basic human rights.

I laid out three separate cases. Two with far more damaging consequences then gay marraige, and yet all the fixation on homosexual marriage? Why? What does it matter in the grand schemes of the big electron? It doesn't outside of the micro-context that gays can get married. I stated that succinctly. It only matters in the extent of the fallout that it will eventually be used to support future legislation. It will happen. I don't see how this is even a controversial opinion considering the multiple legal quests currently to punish people who will not support gay marriage with their franchise. How long do you honestly think it will take before they are tired of attacking small-time bakers or florists who won't go along to get along and the first lawsuit is filed against a church which refuses to perform a wedding for a gay couple because it is against their beliefs? And will you all be just as oblivious when that happens, or worse, cheer the ensuing legal bloodbath hoping that rednecks, and bible-thumpers and every other bigoted epithet you have on your tongues get what ever it is you think should come to them? I mean, if marriage is a civil right now, they can be argued against in court for discrimination using the Supreme court's own language. I can't forecast how that will turn out when it does eventually happen, it could go either way given the meandering illogic the court has displayed.

I'm not even going to get far into how other fringe groups will want equal marriage benefits extended to them too now, using the exact same argument that it's wrong to deny their love... Although musing on the possibility of a family or business partners using a sham gay marriage (think green card marraige) to pass on money to the new marriage partner to avoid punitive death taxes or capital gains taxes... HA! That'd be really fucking clever! There are some fun exploits that can come out of this... especially if family members sue for the right to marry each other. Dad dies, gives money to mom, mom marries son, then dies, son gets all the money free of taxes... This will get very interesting in a fucked up way depending how far down the rabbit hole this is allowed to go before the now-arbitrary decision is made that it's "here" (where ever that will be at the time) and no further.

But, I digress. I guess I will play your bad guy here so you can all feel good that you told somebody on the Internet how despicable he is for pointing out that heavy-handed legal decisions have far-reaching consequences that can't be fully understood until it is too late. I said nothing cross about gays. My only venom was pointed strictly at a rouge Court that does not care about it's place in anything other than fawning media coverage and cocktail parties, and exacerbates the chaotic trend that this country now is torn between three separate political bodies and a massive bureaucracy all claiming they have power to legislate.
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I laid out three separate cases. Two with far more damaging consequences then gay marraige, and yet all the fixation on homosexual marriage?


To be fair, that is what the thread was originally meant for.
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Jun 27 2015, 09:26 PM
To be fair, that is what the thread was originally meant for.
I should have been more clear, sorry. I was referring to overall reporting on the court's activities in the media, not this topic, and the other multiple very shady things that are able to conveniently ignored in favor of over-covering this single issue.
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All I'm getting out of this is seeing rainbows in both my Twitter and Facebook timelines. I have no comment beyond 'good for them', though I do find it equally silly and depressing that a bunch of people are getting uppity over two guys liking each other.
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Jun 27 2015, 09:48 PM
I do find it equally silly and depressing that a bunch of people are getting uppity over two guys liking each other.
In a parallel universe somewhere, this decision just came down, but only women are allowed to marry one another because, in the court's findings, it is "hot" when two women do it, whereas when two guys do it it's "gay."
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Jun 27 2015, 08:05 PM
None of this makes anime girls real. In between working and sleeping, I just can't fathom caring about anything else.
We're almost there man hang in there.

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I'm gonna say only one more thing on this matter. I don't care what your private opinions are. Similarly, if you wanna rant about how wonderful OR terrible these decisions are, fine. However, I don't give a fuck who you are, you are not gonna make fun of anyone here for what they believe. Period.

I tolerate a lot of shit here, because I'm probably way too permissive, but I am not gonna budge on this. You don't attack someone for being gay or straight, you don't attack them for being religious or atheist, you don't attack them for their geographical location, their ethnicity, or anything else of the sort.

You can argue until you're blue in the face about who's right or wrong about an issue; makes no difference to me. But I promise you all now, if I start getting wind that people here are making personal attacks on other Guilders, I will fucking ban your asses. I don't care if it's a mod, admin, or someone who just joined yesterday.

And yes, I am taking this personally, since I am both religious AND Southern, and have just been insulted twice despite, IMHO, having done nothing to warrant being attacked. Doesn't matter if I wasn't the intended target; they were blanket statements, and as such the offending parties have both insulted me, too. So, if you all wanna act like everyone else on the fucking Internet, go somewhere else and do that shit. I'll shut this place down in a heartbeat before I let it go unanswered here.

tl;dr: You can disagree and argue issues all you want, but personal attacks are right out.
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I'm amazed that this is what it has come to. What ever happened to the acerbic wit that made this place so charming? Don't we bust each other's balls all the time? But it's suddenly not okay because you take it personally?

For you to say my comments are blanket attacks is absurd. I'm taking digs at the extremists (like those on The Blaze, which I specifically mentioned) who honestly believe this is the end of days and react like the entire institution of faith is under attack -- the Christian extreme, just as there are asshole atheists, terrible Democrats and awful Republicans. I also insulted rednecks as the worst the South has to offer -- even though I'm a Georgia boy who went to UGA. I can't exactly hate all Southerners when I am one. You've got your shrieking, raving jerks in every group who are not at all representative of the whole.

Does insulting ISIS as a bunch of braindead barbarians suddenly make me a Muslim hater?

But, sure, they are blanket statements because you say so.

Ban me.

I'm not saying it to look like some freethinking rebel or to call your bluff. I know you're mad, and I know you mean it. I don't expect to be able to log in by this time tomorrow, but that's only because I couldn't find a way to shut down my account in the FAQ section. Maybe I missed it.

Yes, I insulted necro. No, I didn't insult you, and it's a reach for you to take it that way.

But you are the sheriff around these here parts, and it is your right to run me out of town on a rail. In hindsight, yes, I deserve a warning for being a jerk to necro, but what I'm really taking issue with is the way you're taking issue. I don't like the way you're threatening to put us all in time out because you seem to think any of this is an attack on you.

You can tell me it's a blanket statement until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't make it true. You're being way too thin-skinned and overreacting. I don't want to be a part of this community if this is what it has come to.

Ban me.
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Insulting someone's beliefs is not "acerbic wit", Imp. Never has been, never will be. Ozzy and RGG are prime examples of people who are jackasses on here all the time, but they never (to my knowledge at least) insult the actual people here. If they made a habit of that, I'd ban them, too.

You'll recall that rule #1 around here is "Don't be an asshole." Been that way for 10 years. You said it yourself, you were a jerk, and deserved a warning. I gave it to you. You totally missed the point of necro's rant, and attacked him personally. I said I'd ban you if you continued to attack people, not that I'd ban you because you already did. Your last rant is awfully indignant, but not a personal attack, so I've got no reason to ban you. I don't ban people who don't like me or who think I'm being unfair just because they feel that way. I'd be a jerk if I did that.

As to the blanket statement part, Thrawnma referred to Southerners as a bad thing, and you referred to the religious right as one. Now, you state that you're specifically referring to the religious right as just the whackjob uber-fundamentalists, but the thing is, that's not accurate. I am a part of the religious right, because I'm socially conservative and religious. Yes, some members of this group are like the Westboro nutjobs who constantly scream about "God hates fags" and other crap like that. I am not one of them, my family is not among them, and my church is not among them, but we most definitely are the religious right. The term has been around for longer than either of us, and while you may feel it refers just to the radicals, that doesn't make it so.

Now, I'm certainly willing to accept that you didn't intend to insult me like you did necro. Thing is, that's not the issue. I get called far worse things on a daily basis by people I don't even know. I'm accused of racism, fascism, and basically every other -ism out there, mostly because it's my job to tell people they can't do whatever they feel like, and that pisses them off, so instead of taking responsibility for their crimes, they choose to insult me, threaten me, and even attack me, all for trying to protect the lives and property of those under my care. You don't survive an enviromment like that for 5 years without being pretty thick-skinned. So no, I'm not mad that you and Thrawn inadvertently insulted me. I'm mad that two people I consider to be friends attacked another friend for no good reason, did so in such a way as to possibly insult other people here, and all for a reason that didn't even exist.

What you do now is your call. You wouldn't be the first person to leave because they felt they didn't fit in here any more. That's something all of us will have to deal with in time. But when I created this place, it was to give people of all races, creeds, and religions a place to talk about stuff we shared a common love for. What one person believes politically shouldn't ever even enter the equation when interacting here.
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BadBoiu
Jun 27 2015, 06:03 PM
Ovan
Jun 27 2015, 09:11 AM
......The Phanton Pain is a threat to America?
Once again, this is no laughing matter.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/the-trans-pacific-trade-tpp-agreement-must-be-defeated?inline=file

Also relevant since I know you watch this show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8

So yeah. I know everyone is all really happy right now over gay rights but with this still hanging overhead it's hard to put that frown upside-down.
Glasses are broken after getting hit in the eyes, sum this up for me in the easiest way possible that's not a wall of text.
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Easiest way? It lets certain corporations bypass certain laws at certain times, all of which seem to depend on what is in the corporation's best interest a the time. That's a grossly simplified version, but I think it gets the basic problem across.
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Wow what a load of shit. SO basically they could also be able to bypass tax, import, export etc laws and fees and nothing could be done about it?
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