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Topic Started: Oct 5 2013, 03:09 PM (15,960 Views)
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Finished it. Loved the episode. But you're right, really isn't as good as SAO in terms of the action. But in it's defense this is dealing with team work and multiple characters, while SAO only has to focus on Kirito and whatever he's fighting.

LH does have better music for the fights so far. SAO really only that "that" one song, and that was really it.

And dark side of Akihabara?

Also yes, Serara is adorable in both voice and character. And I was expecting her to get the final hit in after seeing he still had a thorn in him. (Would she get EXP from that?)

Nyaanta was a surprise. The whole time I kept thinking of Mia from .hack (Who I hated), so wasn't expecting much from him. But he's great. He's so far my 2nd favorite character in the show, If not tied for 1st.
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Oct 26 2013, 11:00 PM
Finished it. Loved the episode. But you're right, really isn't as good as SAO in terms of the action. But in it's defense this is dealing with team work and multiple characters, while SAO only has to focus on Kirito and whatever he's fighting.

LH does have better music for the fights so far. SAO really only that "that" one song, and that was really it.

And dark side of Akihabara?

Also yes, Serara is adorable in both voice and character. And I was expecting her to get the final hit in after seeing he still had a thorn in him. (Would she get EXP from that?)

Nyaanta was a surprise. The whole time I kept thinking of Mia from .hack (Who I hated), so wasn't expecting much from him. But he's great. He's so far my 2nd favorite character in the show, If not tied for 1st.
Well, next few epsidoe won't have action scene, it'll be political, and Shiroe taking over Akihabara with tactic and deceit.
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so Shiro becomes Zero?
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God no.

Shiroe's a bro. He doesn't need to turn into a douche bag for 20 episodes straight.
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Yeah, I'm really looking forward to the Akihabara-centric arc, and where exactly Shiroe will fit in considering that - at least officially - he's unaffiliated with any of the guilds struggling for power there.

As for Nyanta, yeah, he seems like a fun character so far. I wish Akatsuki would stop trying to place false expectations on herself though; she did exactly what Shiroe needed, and has done so multiple times without prompting. She's doing an amazing job as their "kill the low defense ones when everyone's back is turned" character.
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Oct 27 2013, 04:58 PM
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to the Akihabara-centric arc, and where exactly Shiroe will fit in considering that - at least officially - he's unaffiliated with any of the guilds struggling for power there.

As for Nyanta, yeah, he seems like a fun character so far. I wish Akatsuki would stop trying to place false expectations on herself though; she did exactly what Shiroe needed, and has done so multiple times without prompting. She's doing an amazing job as their "kill the low defense ones when everyone's back is turned" character.
Actually, this is her first time with a team/guild for awhile, due to her being a female player, and being tiny, before that, she was a lone wolf player, so she hasn't really partnered with someone before, and Shiroe and Nyanta combo, is even rare in the high level guild, since it's near unheard of dealing 15k+ damage in one combo.
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The author of Log Horizon visited Taiwan's 2ch forum and discussion on Log Horizon anime and novel.
And did a info on the Taiwan server www.

Welcome to Formosa Island

Main point
Under the virtual Gaia plan, Formosa Island is based on the real life island/country of Taiwan, considered to be a part of the China server, it has city, dungeon, player city, although not all material can be obtained on the island, after the "Incident" Adventurer can survive on the island with the material available.

History
In the beginning of Elder Tale, Formosa Island was a novice adventurer training ground, for learning the control and command of Elder Tale, during that time, once you leave, you can't return to it, which was disappointing to many adventurer.

But following the plan of the Virtual Gaia, it is now possible to visit Formosa Island by physically crossing the ocean seperating it, but the sea is surrounded by man eating shark, and the sky is patrolled by invisible giant jellyfish, their difficulity is end game level, so normal adventurer cannot defeat them, so most consider Formosa Island Novice land, which it pretty much is.

But after hearing numerous request, the company took notice and made a player city(With warp gate), new dungeon, and lowered the level of the monster protecting the island, so adventurer of certain level can cross the island and visit Formosa Island again.

After that, nurmerous other leveled dungeon started appearing, making it a region that is suited for all level now

When the "Event" occured, a couple hundred adventurer was caught in it, like other region, the adventurer was in chaos at the sudden event, and difference between native and adventurer existed too, But the adventurers soon recovered their composure, and an uneasy truce existed between the native and adventurer, until the Jade Mountain Event(Daily Monthly/Yearly event) Hikaru, one of the four holy maiden of Formosa asked the adventurers for help on that event, cementing the Adventurers and Native relation, thus having contact.

Short while later, High level adventurer from Formosa crossed the narrow strait to visited China, and also other high level adventurer from China was able to cross the ocean to visit Formosa Island.

Geology
The eastern half of the island is covered with mountain, hot spring and volcano, and also numerous dungeon.
There are some native that have village around the hot spring area, the majority live on the west to north side of the island
To the North, there is the capital, Taipei where it is ruled by the four holy maiden, where the majority of native live.
And the Player city Shinpei(New North)
To the south there's the city of Takao(KaoHsiung) and some town to the east.
The island is covered over half with mountain, but climate is warm, unless you're on the mountain, then it will be cold.

Social situation
The country is ruled by the 4 Holy maiden, and aristorcrat under them, the 4 maiden have alot of influence among the region, and the aristocrat's main function is to make and enforce law.
And every year, the holy maidens have to go to the Holy Jade Mountain to initiate a ceromony, this initiate the quest (Jade Mountain Scroll) for adventurer

At the beginning of the "EVENT" this place is in disarray like other region, but now it's very peaceful, the food problem wasn't that big, because this region has an abundance of fruits, so prior to the Cook discovering how to cook real food, it wasn't causing alot of problem, like other regions.
And the native here aren't that into political game, so they were able to make peace and get along with the adventurer easily.

Another thing that changed the situation is, the third sister Hikaru of the Holy Maidens, prior to initiating the Jade Mountain Ceronomy, went and asked the adventurers for assistance, who responded her call and helped completed the ceronomy without incident, making the native trust the adventurers.

And due to the natural barrior of shark and jellyfish, it is a pretty closed ecosystem, as only high level guilds with max level adventurer can cross it, makes it a region that is unaffected by outside influence.

Native
The native on Formosa Island are generally cheerful, not minding the small detail, prior to the "EVENT" if you pay the price the vender NPC ask(Don't ask fo rdiscount or haggle) they will give you bonus gifts, this carries over in the current situation too.

And strangly, even without a mechanical clock, vendors will set up their stall daily at the same time, and close up shop at the same time daily, after that they'll split into small group for hanging out or drinking a bit, then go rest and repeat the next day.

Culture
Compared to the political center Taipei, the player city Shinpei has more people movement and interaction, every day at the city center, there will be numerous street vendor setting up their stall(Taiwan Night Market) like at a festival, most daily necessitity can be purchased here, there are also physical store with buildings, but those are mostly banks, furniture store or other stores that require a building.

The representive animal of Formosa Island is the Sea Lion, although they are animal that live near ocean, on Formasa Island, there's a type of Sea Lion that strive on land, with near unmeasurable strength, and a gentle and playful nature, they are the prefered animal for transportation(Horse on other server, or Griffon/other rare animal in rare case) used by Native for farming or traveling, and adventurerer, you can see carriage pulled by sea lion in any city or village on Formosa Island. and they move really fast on land too.

Most of the food is fruit type, from pineapple to banana, mango, such tropical fruits, to orange, and other citrus type fruits, Formosa has an abdundance and large variaty of fruits for food.
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Ep.5 Thought
Serara is cute~ Nyanta is cool~
They actually introduced alot of thing this episode
How to make real food, NPC are living people, and how novice are being abused in Akihabara.
Next episode, Shiroe start his plan to take over Akihabara, with the food revolution as his trump card, can he succeed in c hanging Akiba for the better and succeed where other have failed?
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I would love it if at some point we could hear an adventurer talk to one of the people of the land about how they've perceived the apocalypse . . . or if they even noticed it at all.
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It's not just the people, but monsters as well.

Raid bosses are HELPING other Raid bosses team up against players.
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Nov 2 2013, 05:19 PM
I would love it if at some point we could hear an adventurer talk to one of the people of the land about how they've perceived the apocalypse . . . or if they even noticed it at all.
They did, it's the second ark, where Shiroe is part of the delegation with the leader of one of the battle guild and manufacture guild to a kingdom that want to form a alliance with Akiba.

The mostly didn't notice the acoalypse, because adventurer have existed for 230 year, Shiroe has been active for 80+ year(while playing the game normally)
And monsters are also immortal like adventurer, not sure if they keep their memory, but them respawning seems to be a similiar system.
And also the NPC/Native don't have much memory prior to the apocalypse, so they don't remember if food always tasted like nothing.
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Hmm..so Akatsuki is based on the author's editor, and the princess of the native is most likely his little sister then...
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Ep.6
More world building, explaing the various guilds and current situation in Akiba.
Also, the same food, if different food cook it, will taste slightly different, that's a new thing added in.
Shiroe initiated his first phase of taking over Akiba, he require 5 Million gold piece(Average money of max level player is 30~50k)

They didn't show Akatsuki in the dress..
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Wonder if we'll get Ginga level Idol Priestess(Self proclaimed) Tetora (・ω<) ~☆in the anime...Should make the Marielle and Naotsugu(Panty Knight) love relation into a Love triangle..
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This story arc has me really excited; the intrigue side of things is really the main selling point of this anime for me. Everything else is good too, but this is what I've been looking forward to.
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so Shirou is using Cresent Moon guild as a front to open a restaurant...but at their current manpower, they can only sell about 1k burger, and make about 40k per day. The real goal is the larger guilds? cause the next ep preview shows the merchang guilds appearing...
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This is just a guess, but I think his plan was to use Crescent Moon to create an enormous demand, and then sell the secret to the craft guilds at a hefty sum. He had to let the public know this kind of food existed first so that he could use the massive potential market to sell the secret at a higher cost.

I have no idea what he'll use the 5 million for though. Obviously it has something to do with real estate in the city, but what real estate and why it will be helpful to him is still kind of up in the air for me. It should be interesting though, whatever the case.
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Nov 16 2013, 10:31 PM
This is just a guess, but I think his plan was to use Crescent Moon to create an enormous demand, and then sell the secret to the craft guilds at a hefty sum. He had to let the public know this kind of food existed first so that he could use the massive potential market to sell the secret at a higher cost.

I have no idea what he'll use the 5 million for though. Obviously it has something to do with real estate in the city, but what real estate and why it will be helpful to him is still kind of up in the air for me. It should be interesting though, whatever the case.
Well, keep watching, his plan is a bit more complicated then what you both thought.
And it's not a real "secret" but how he's using it to make them believe what they believe.
Akiba has 3 top Craft guild, Shiroe is going to use those three against each other, and the battle guild for his goal of taking over Akiba.
The 5 Million will be used to take over Akiba(How he used it is..."evil") and also as an example to rescue his student(The twin, and the other novice adventurer)

And that's just the first part, I don't think the anime will get as far as Book 6+...
So we'll most likely end with the introduction of the fox girl for season 2(If we get one - -;)
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Well~ they officially introduced Soujiro Seta in ep.7

So here's more info on him and his guild Nishikaze no Ryoda(Westwind Brigade)

Soujiro Seta is a former member of the Tea Party, after it disbanded, he formed his own guild called Nishikaze no Ryoda, and invited alot of former members of the tea party, but only two member accepted, Sunahime(Not active) and Nazune(Active in Log horizon currently)
Although claiming to have 120 people in the guild, only about half are active at the event that got people trapped, even with only 60 member, it is considered one of the more powerful guild in Akiba, equal to Black Sword Knight, Honesty and D.D.D.

Soujiro Seta - Leader of West Wind Brigade, sub-class Sword Saint(Only 5 player out of all player can have this sub-class, so he's one of the top 5 sword player in Elder Tale)
Personality is really nice, and extremely popular with the girls, his guild is also known as his harlem guild, as alot of members are female, as a former member of the Tea Party, and current leader of one of the top 4 guild in Akiba, he has alot of influence and power, he invited Naotsugu, Shiroe and Nyanta to join his guild, but they declined his offer, making him believe they hate him.
He's extrememly loyal and nice to anyone he consider a friend or guild, and when facing enemy is extremely strong.
He looks up to Shiroe, because Shiroe is smarter then him, and he hasn't failed in a fight when following Shiroe's play

Nazuna - A fox girl who's main job is a Kanaga(Miko) subclass Gambler, the 2nd in command of the guild, acts more like a big sister to everyone else in the guild, she's the "brain" of the guild.
Former member of Tea Party too, although some consider her a part of the harlem, she only see's Soujiro as a little sister

Isami - The samurai girl in episode 7, she's one of the member and that can't quite get used to being in Elder Tale, has a extremely strong sense of justice, will do the right thing, even if the end result will not lead to good end.
The "normal" player perspective of the manga?

His story and his guild is in the gaiden manga Log Horizon - Nishikaze no Ryoda, like the Cresent moon guild has their own gaiden manga too.
Soujiro's is more of the traditional hero overcome odds, and shows the darker side of Akiba too.

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The TOP 4 guild in Akiba
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Soujiro's reaction at getting trapped in Elder Tale
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Isami reaction
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Nazuna Reaction
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Going to help his guildmate protecting two novice being attacked by a goblin horde, Soujiro was having fun at first, till he saw Isami in trouble, and although not able to be hurt by the goblin, she was afraid to get into combat, making realize it wasn't a game anymore, but their reality, and he swore then to protect everyone.
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Discovering their cleaner NPC is a living person
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And not everyone is as ready or skills as Akatsuki or Soujiro with actual combat experience, so Soujiro decided to train his guild so they get used to combat(Shiroe just goes out and fight with his group www)
While his guildmate see's it as a chance to get close to Soujiro..
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While Isami is out with their native NPC exploring Akiba..As long as weapon isn't drawn, male player ot female player/NPC action are counted as courtship, so no guard will appear.
But if a player draws weapon and hurt another player, NPC guard will appear and kill the offending player.
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Isami, knowing that she will be executed, still decided to draw her weapon and try to save her friend.
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Although the Guard armor are strong, they can only be utilized in specific situation and area, and they can't "think" for themself(Although this NPC in that armor, might be the serial killer in Book 6?)
So even after their maid explained what happened, it still has to perform the executation, and it is comparable to a team of high level adventurer, or a Ancient NPC/Hero Unit
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I'll have to look into all this side story material at some point, although I'll probably wait until after this Akiba control arc is over.
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Episode 8
- 5 Million Gold get~
- Shiroe of the Tea Party is really well known among the leaders of the top guild
Next episode, Akiba Round Table, Shiroe's turn at the helm, and will his final move succeed in him gaining control of Akiba, or fail like Mariane or Sword Saint?

Akiba's arc should be finished in 2 more episode?
1 episode for taking over Akiba, 1 episode for rescueing Minori.

So we should get the princess soon, wonder how people will react to her...
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Decided to wait for today's episode before I caught up on the past ones when I was gone.

Just finished 6.

Despite mostly being all panning still shots, I got goose bumps frmo this scene. Conniving Shiroe is best Shiroe.
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All of those "fixing glasses" scene XD
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Aye. You could literally die from just Shiroe fixing his glasses alone if you made a drinking game out of it.
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Also I thought this was a cute call back to the previous episode.
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Episode 9 - The shortened and took out some of the scene from the round table and rescue scene, but they kept the main idea and two most important scene.

I did it 4 hour ago, and the possible declaration of war, isn't that a threat?

The origional scene, had the manufacturing guild saying they support Shiroe 100%, and West Wind Brigade too, but even they don't have enough power to stop a top battle guild like Blask Knight Sword or D.D.D. if they go to war, since they are so big, they have their own manufacturing capabality, so the merchant guild can't stop them, and they have enough high level and experience to engage in combat in the city, and strong enough to hold off the NPC guard and escape if necessary.

Next episode, Log Horizon Guild house get, and welcome the new member~
Then the next arc NPC kingdom invitation, or Shiroe explain the significance of the "recipe" to the manufacturing guild, it's not the ability to make food that's important, but the other "truth" that no one except Shiroe realized and sold ot them for 1.5 million gold.

And they didn't talk about the "Monthly" rent that is required to hold a Zone, Shiroe implemented a "Tax" on Akiba, enough to keep the Round Table running, and pay the rent, so he has control.
And everyone has to pay.

And Grandeo(Pilot hat Assassin) was a former member of Black Sword Knight, but left, due to their elitism attitude, and he specialize in low and mid level potion and items, income surpassing the top 3 manufacturing guild.

Radio is a loner guild, the guild leader and guild is even older then Shiroe, but they don't like the spotlight, so for player that don't like fame, it's the perfect place, it's also home to a bunch of high level and quircky adventurer

And the 3 Manufacturing guild each specializing in different field.

Kaioh Kikoh - Guild leader is monk, sub-class Blacksmith, the Largest Manufacturing guild in Japan, he is the leader of multiple small guilds, and has the largest connection and knows the most people.

Roderi Shokai - Glasses scientist person - Summoner, Potion maker, His guild and him cleared alot of high level quest, and got a lot of rare recipe, in rare potion and magic stone, no guild can match their quality and quanity

Eigth Merchant street - A new guild comprised of younger players, his guild didn't specialize in any field, but he was able to use his merchant skill and set the price standard and distributation of various guild in Elder Tale.


And book 7, regarding the guild leader of Silver Sword, leaving...There's a reason.
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