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NewtypeS3
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May 30 2014, 09:56 AM Post #151 |
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The Rejected Spartan
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To re-derail, I think there is a big difference between what Team Ninja does in clothing their female characters in outfits designed to attract those terms without providing more characterization than bland wallpaper for them, and actually calling them "Slut" and "Whore." I'm not a huge fan of throwing the terms about, but you certainly cannot say that certain Team Nijnja characters don't dress like hussies (to apropriate a much tamer term from another Cavia/Drakengard family title) thanks to their developers. I do think there's a time and place for those words to be used, but it's with characters who actually "deserve" the term by actually falling under the definitions of the terms. Despite her incredibly horrifying mode of dress, Kaine of NieR (to name an example) wouldn't fall anywhere near "Slut" or "Whore" due to how she acts as a character. Dress like a hussy, though, she certainly does - and she falls under the definition as well: Impudent or Immoral Woman. And while sex isn't in her wheelhouse, swearing like a sailor and dressing rediculously certainly slip her into that category. Of course, it doesn't really help that this highlights the sexism of the industry at some points, too. "LAWL SAMUS IS TEH SLUTZORZ BECAUSE ZERO SUIT" being a depressing example I remember from back in the day. Now, if one wanted to toss around the term "braindead" for the DoA girls and guys... then yeah, that would mostly apply. I love the games, but God. Few of the women have intellegence, or what can pass as such in the cutscenes... and the men really aren't much better half the time. And I feel that's to the detriment of the characters themselves, even when the franchise brands itself on fanservice. But alas, this is further derailment. And it's not like we don't resort to silly stereotypes for comedy anyhow. |
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| Akito10 | May 30 2014, 10:06 AM Post #152 |
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Norman freakin' Jayden
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Different cultural standards ZS. All the women I know/live with take the term slut and whore in playful stride and call me a fat fuck in return. Spoiler: click to toggle This reminds me though of when I've used the term 'fat' positively towards meaty girls and they get mad as hell. I need to check my sensibilities probably. I love Zero for how outright lewd and slutty she is, I wouldn't dare use it as a negative for her. For Five though... Edited by Akito10, May 30 2014, 10:11 AM.
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Ovan
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May 30 2014, 10:12 AM Post #153 |
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ねぷは..自由だ!!!
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They ARE SLUTS AND WHORES. Literally. The game flat out says it. Zero works in a whore house and like Grahf said, wants the D every 5 minutes. |
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| Homeless One | May 30 2014, 10:33 AM Post #154 |
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Quit slutshaming, you two. Four is a pure virgin. :x |
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Ovan
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May 30 2014, 11:05 AM Post #155 |
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ねぷは..自由だ!!!
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But Four rymes with Wh-..Never mind. >.> Also speaking of Four, what exactly is Utahime? |
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| Anata | May 30 2014, 11:20 AM Post #156 |
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Almost as good as Lowe ^_^
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It's not like Zero want to be Slut, back then and even now. Speaking of characters, Zero and One are the most normal here. The rest, you can probably see it as you play through the game and you might as well take a watch on their DLC stories. Three and Four are probably the most twisted outside all the sisters. Five is just so hilariously bad that you can't even take her seriously. |
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| Akito10 | May 30 2014, 11:22 AM Post #157 |
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Norman freakin' Jayden
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Prequel manga about the five sisters as a group of loli superheroes. |
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| Homeless One | May 30 2014, 11:29 AM Post #158 |
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Veda Terminal
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It's pretty bad when the girl banging her own male clone can be counted among the "most normal". |
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NewtypeS3
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May 30 2014, 11:41 AM Post #159 |
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Drakengard!~ Seriously, this doesn't shock me. When isn't a Drakengard-verse game built off fucked-up-ness? Except for 2. |
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| Anata | May 30 2014, 12:17 PM Post #160 |
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Almost as good as Lowe ^_^
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Actually no One doesn't bang anyone, she uses a bamboo stick or any other tools she can use for that. Her brother did offer it to her though, but she flatly refused it. In the first place, she doesn't condone with the idea of creating disciple to serve as sex partner. That's why she created a male clone of herself, who is more like a hidden trump card if she ever fail and get killed by Zero. |
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Ovan
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May 30 2014, 12:38 PM Post #161 |
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ねぷは..自由だ!!!
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After reading and watching more and more it's a shame they don't use the real name. The pun just works so well. |
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NewtypeS3
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May 30 2014, 01:45 PM Post #162 |
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Drag-On Dragoon? Yeah, it's rather fitting for many swaths of the games... |
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| Homeless One | May 30 2014, 03:27 PM Post #163 |
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Uh, that does not sound particularly fun. |
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| ZetaStriker | May 30 2014, 03:30 PM Post #164 |
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It's Like You're Carrying the Weight of the World~
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One isn't a particularly fun character, so it works. EDIT: Forgot to do this when I got home. Editing it in.
Regardless how much sex someone has, or how much clothing they wore, I wouldn't call them a slut or whore because that's hateful speech. I wouldn't call a gay man a faggot for the same reason. Just because the definition matches doesn't mean a hateful word is the right one to use. Anyway, like I said, I'm not trying to call you an awful person or anything, I don't think you are. I'm just asking if you can tone down your use of those words. Edited by ZetaStriker, May 30 2014, 03:33 PM.
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Ovan
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May 30 2014, 03:41 PM Post #165 |
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ねぷは..自由だ!!!
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Loving to have sex and having sex for monetary compensation doesn't only apply to females. Nor does sexual orientation matter on the subject. In fact your discrimination of males who want to be sluts and whores is beyond unreasonable. I shall bid you good day on the subject. (The subject that everyone moved on from several hours ago) |
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| ZetaStriker | May 30 2014, 04:57 PM Post #166 |
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Don't worry, I'm done; sorry for the derail. Just keep in mind it bothers me, please. Anyway, Drakengard. I'm currently debating whether or not I want to start over form the beginning on the same save file, and try to build up enough money to finish all the weapon stories. Am I insane? Or possibly just Decadus-ish? |
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| Homeless One | May 30 2014, 05:09 PM Post #167 |
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Singling Decadus out because of how he expresses his sexuality makes me uncomfortable and I'd prefer you stop. |
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| ZetaStriker | May 30 2014, 05:12 PM Post #168 |
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It's Like You're Carrying the Weight of the World~
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Such sarcasm, directed at me . . . nnnngh. |
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| Akito10 | May 30 2014, 05:41 PM Post #169 |
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Norman freakin' Jayden
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Idly, I mentioned this to Homeless earlier but I wonder how much fun Dito and Zero had calling one another names in the dub and asking one another for sex, considering they're married IRL. |
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| Anata | May 30 2014, 11:46 PM Post #170 |
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Almost as good as Lowe ^_^
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Actually, you better wait for the last Accord mission. No need to repeat from beginning I guess, you can farm money much faster in that mission (it's like a Survival mission where you need to kill all the monster and bosses). |
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| Shining Blaze | May 31 2014, 05:16 AM Post #171 |
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Only later did I understand why I'd ship Dito and Zero and yeah, it's Yuri Lowenthal and Tara Platt. Same reason why I ship Minato/Makoto and Mitsuru. I met them twice and they're really cool Voice Actors. You're probably right aboutthem having fun with this project. |
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| ZetaStriker | May 31 2014, 04:54 PM Post #172 |
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It's Like You're Carrying the Weight of the World~
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I'd mainly want to do a replay because grinding an accord mission would be incredibly boring, whereas I may actually have fun playing through the story again. I do still have to do the last survival mission though, so I should probably do that first. |
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| Homeless One | May 31 2014, 05:22 PM Post #173 |
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Veda Terminal
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http://youtu.be/1l_RdQgkRbI?t=15m35s Incredible. Fucking Drakengard faeries. |
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| ZetaStriker | May 31 2014, 07:26 PM Post #174 |
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On that note, I love the fact that the verse titled "Trolled" was totally not referring to the actual troll enemies you run into. It's also your first time putting up with faerie bullshit. XD |
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| Homeless One | May 31 2014, 07:29 PM Post #175 |
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Veda Terminal
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4chan seems to be having a blast with Four saying something like "it's not murder if it's an elf!" in the DLC. |
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