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Why is My HiME the worst piece of **** ever made?
Topic Started: Sep 1 2011, 08:51 PM (477 Views)
Deadzaku
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http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Headscratchers/Mai-HiME

This discussion attempts to answer this timeless question in a fair and analytical way.
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Nah, it's just a flawed and generic but somewhat fun show with a fairly bland ending. Sorry.
Edited by ImpAtom, Sep 1 2011, 09:29 PM.
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Deadzaku
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You take that back.

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The final episode is pure genius to someone who hated the show's attempt to be Darker and Edgier and felt it needed to be obliterated from canon to have any hope of putting things back on the right track. If the Festival arc had actually been a good tragedy and didn't come off like it was written by a 12-year-old, then yeah, the anime ending would have been a huge disappointment.

The ending was the best.
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The HiME animu was certainly the weakest part of its franchise, although neither because Akane was a waste of airtime nor Shizuru a creepy possessive stalker. Otome mango >>> Otome animu > HiME mango > HiME animu.
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It was a cool show that tried to be Dark and Edgy but eventually fell prey to Shenlong Magic Girls Making Everything Right Again.
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Sep 1 2011, 09:58 PM
It was a cool show that tried to be Dark and Edgy but eventually fell prey to Shenlong Magic Girls Making Everything Right Again.
So HiME tried to be Madoka and failed?
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XR
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More like Madoka succeeded where HiME failed.
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Norman freakin' Jayden

Had hotter characters though so w/e.
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Sep 1 2011, 09:58 PM
It was a cool show that tried to be Dark and Edgy but eventually fell prey to Shenlong Magic Girls Making Everything Right Again.
Ughhh. This is exactly what pisses me off.

Mai HiME was never a "dark" show to begin with. With the Akane subplot as the only exception (which only made it all the more stupid and random), Mai HiME:

* was always corny.
* was always cheesy.
* was always made out to be a "courage and friendship can ultimately defeat any villain" story.

I mean, just look at the goddamn final battle against Searrs. They learn to put their differences aside. They unite against a single common threat. They use actual strategy in the counter-invasion and work off the abilities of eachothers' mecha. They're established as a competent team.

And then some pretentious dramafuck got the stupid idea tragedy fits anywhere and changed his mind about the kind of story he wanted to tell, squandering everything that could have been.

It was only when the Festival arc started well past the halfway mark and the writers went "hurr durr let's be DEEP because it was cool when Battle Royale did it!" that the plot came to a screeching halt and the show instantly turned to shit. That was where it copped out. The final episode actually just put the show back where is was always supposed to be.

They could have done an awesome Gurren Lagann type story where the characters form a team that doesn't abruptly dissolve for no reason and take on Obsidian Lord in a way where character deaths had a point and actually helped the other characters become stronger. Instead, no, Imma Gonna Aimlessly Rip Off Lord Of The Flies Because Shock Value Is Betturr retardedly took over and ruined what the show could have had going.


ZHRGG
Sep 1 2011, 10:29 PM
More like Madoka succeeded where HiME failed.
That's the funny part about Madoka. It actually was the darker story the second half of Mai HiME tried too hard to be, and it pulled it off well.

But then it decided to rehash Mai HiME's ending to where Madoka was God Mashiro, betraying everything that had been set up before that point. fml.
Edited by Deadzaku, Sep 2 2011, 03:25 AM.
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You don't actually seem to get the concept of tone, looking at your discussion, or really have any idea of what the focus of the shows you're complaining (or praising) is. I get the feeling you see tragedy and think that anything that subverts that tragedy is 'bad writing.'

Madoka didn't "betray everything that was set up before." It was literally what the series was building up to. I didn't really like Madoka much at all, but the tone of the ending was exactly what the series was building up to. Likewise, Mai HiME was building up to exactly what actually happened, it just was executed poorly.

Madoka, for example, is not a angry deconstruction of Magical Girl shows. It is a deconstruction made with affection for the shows which serves to both go "This is what would probably happen in a 'realistic show' while also going 'Magical Girls are not bad things and not everything needs to be about realism.'" Mai HiME has less lofty goals and is mostly a generic show about friendship overcoming adversity.

It's especially silly to think that they were trying to rip off Battle Royal in Mai HiME when it couldn't have been a more blatant attempt to go "Let's make Kamen Rider Ryuuki with marketable female characters" if they actually tried.
Edited by ImpAtom, Sep 2 2011, 04:36 AM.
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Too bad people have no knowledge of Mai Hime's PC/PS2 VN(Non-H, mind you), which I felt it characterized the participants more fairly.

Mai: Possibly the saddest of the endings, IMO.
Mikoto: Probably one of the more cheerful endings.
Natsuki: Can't be complete without a "melting the ice queen" scenario.
Miyu: Sad ending, but not as bad. Also, doesn't go into endgame scenario.
Sakuya(Game Original): When devotion turns into obession...(And results in the biggest body count by a single hand)

Additional short routes(not-true endings)
Nao: She...actually opens up her heart to the Protagonist.
Midori: Drags you away from the entire ordeal before things go pear shaped and you're stuck being her research assistant.

Additional perspectives
Shizuru: Why she sacrifices so much for Natsuki
Yukino: Why she follows Haruka even if she's the one with power.

Character note for PC version: No Tate Yuuichi or Shiho to screw things up, so the count for Hime is still 12(With Miyu being the hidden route #13)
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while also going 'Magical Girls are not bad things and not everything needs to be about realism.'

Except this was never one of its motives before the "lol KARMIC DESTINY can create a new God and change everything!" came out of fucking nowhere 20 minutes before the ending.

The only amount of dignity that survived through that godawful plot twist was how they kept it so some form of evil still had to exist in the new universe instead of going in a pure puppies and unicorns direction.

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Too bad people have no knowledge of Mai Hime's PC/PS2 VN(Non-H, mind you), which I felt it characterized the participants more fairly.

I read some of the summaries for it on the Animesuki board years ago. I saw the CG set. I own the artbook for it.

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Sakuya(Game Original): When devotion turns into obession...(And results in the biggest body count by a single hand)

Yeah, I heard she turns out sort of like Akane in that one story I wrote about her.

She seems like an interesting conflicted character.

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Character note for PC version: No Tate Yuuichi or Shiho to screw things up, so the count for Hime is still 12(With Miyu being the hidden route #13)

I thought Shiho and Yukariko were both dropped so the real HiME count was 10, and then Alyssa is still a pseudo-HiME and Miyu was upgraded to pseudo-HiME status to put the overall count back to 12.

Don't they make it so the 10 real HiME represent the 10 different virtues on the Tree of Sephirot?
Edited by Deadzaku, Sep 2 2011, 06:54 PM.
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Animesuki, eh? You probably read some of my moonspeak deciphering work then. Most of the early banter was between myself and IchiKyo.

EDIT: Also, they used a subtitle to differ from other versions of the franchise. The count is still 12, but the remaining hime never have screen appearances,those being Akira and Yukariko. Alyssa Sears is incorportated as an actual hime, albeit artificial, so technically, Miyu's just taking the rightful spot(slightly different origin story, she was childhood friends with the protag before she died and her dad revived her as the current Miyu via cyborg tech, no memories)
Edited by Shadow00X, Sep 5 2011, 05:04 AM.
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