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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 13 2011, 07:18 AM (540 Views) | |
AmuroNT1
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Aug 13 2011, 07:18 AM Post #1 |
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The man who destroys worlds and creates worlds
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Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-08-12/adv-sues-gainax-over-live-action-evangelion-option |
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XR
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Aug 13 2011, 08:45 AM Post #2 |
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King of Awesomeness
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In other words, Gainax got fed up with waiting for ADV to piss out something. At most Gainax may be forced to pay a fine for a breach of contract, but ADV will not acquire live action rights. |
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| Akito10 | Aug 13 2011, 09:37 AM Post #3 |
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Norman freakin' Jayden
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They salty. Not like it's ever going to get off the ground anyway. |
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| Deadzaku | Aug 14 2011, 06:40 PM Post #4 |
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Can I sue Studio Khara for defaming the Eva franchise and making Rebuild 2.0 a terrible movie? |
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| ZetaStriker | Aug 14 2011, 08:27 PM Post #5 |
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. . . and here I thought plans for the movie fell through a long time ago. Why has ADV wasted so much money on a movie that never seems like it's going to be made? And probably wouldn't be popular outside of the Anime fanbase anyway? They make it sound like they want a studio release, but I just can't see that happening. |
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| gundamtotoro | Aug 14 2011, 08:49 PM Post #6 |
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There was a lot of hype at the time since WETA was supposed to be involved. I didn't even know ADV existed enough as a company anymore to even make a lawsuit. Sounds like a cash grab to try to rejuvenate some projects the remaining scraps have in mind. |
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Aug 14 2011, 10:12 PM Post #7 |
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Well, this might explain some of ADV's serious money problems in its final years. But it makes me wonder what happened to the last payment. Someone just go out to spend it all on hookers and blow? ... ...wait, this is anime nerds. Someone just go out to spend it all on rare games and creepy-ass merchandise? |
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XR
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Aug 14 2011, 10:14 PM Post #8 |
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They spent it all on EVA coffee cans. Posted Image |
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| Shinryoma | Aug 14 2011, 11:07 PM Post #9 |
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ADV is still around? |
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Aug 14 2011, 11:14 PM Post #10 |
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Probably in-name-only, seeing how their assets were sucked up by another company... that was basically owned by the same guys. |
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| Shinryoma | Aug 15 2011, 12:44 AM Post #11 |
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Whose left now? Media Bastards? It's gonna take another Pokemon to get people interested again. I guess it's not a total loss. Anime has left it's mark in some ways. We got things like continuity, over arching plots and character development in cartoons now. Children are treated with some respect as to their intelligence. |
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XR
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Aug 15 2011, 12:55 AM Post #12 |
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I'm actually getting the feeling that the "mark" has already passed its peak and shows are becoming less intelligent nowadays. But that could just be reflective of what the producers think of their audience. |
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Aug 15 2011, 01:01 AM Post #13 |
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Depends on the show and network, really. |
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| Shinryoma | Aug 15 2011, 01:51 AM Post #14 |
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Yeah. In general, animation has suffered greatly in the states. Not that current anime is breaking any ground nowadays. Thanks to guys like this. http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/disney-executive-story-is-irrelevant-to-our-company.html And I've linked this before. Still worth mentioning. http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/frank-zappa-explains-why-cartoons-today-suck.html http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/what-frank-zappa-tex-avery-and-monty-python-have-in-common.html Back to anime. Is the culture really that different? Or is there another reason anime on TV didn't do well? Although foreign, European and Arab kids had no problems with anime growing up. Super robot, shonen, sports, shoujo, comedy, sci-fi, fantasy, educational, historical or children's literature anime. They all did well. I remember kids would notice a difference between those shows and shows like Thundercats, Silverhawks, Mask...etc. I remember one kid saying "English" cartoons had no story and each episode ended with everyone laughing. |
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| ZetaStriker | Aug 15 2011, 07:49 AM Post #15 |
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Yeah, things seem to be going downhill again. It's not all bad, but most of the newest shows are ADHD-fueled drug trips like Adventure Time! rather than plotted shows. There's still room for story-fueled cartoons on television, shown by things like the new Thundercats, Ben 10/Generator Rex and of course the DCAU . . . but as far as new projects are concerned, they're shrinking in number. In short, needs more Legend of Korra. Edited by ZetaStriker, Aug 15 2011, 07:50 AM.
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| Deadzaku | Aug 15 2011, 01:07 PM Post #16 |
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It's not like American TV needs any more shows since it already has Breaking Bad. |
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| ZetaStriker | Aug 15 2011, 01:35 PM Post #17 |
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Which is not a cartoon, and definitely not appropriate for children. So, kind of the wrong argument there. |
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Neko
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Aug 15 2011, 06:46 PM Post #18 |
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I remember an article about this in Newtype USA. It seemed unlikely then so I wonder why they kept pushing it. |
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| Thrawnma | Aug 16 2011, 10:42 AM Post #19 |
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ITT: Self-righteous animu nerds talk about crap they know nothing about. Look, a little history is important here. Gives us some context and other shit we need here. All this talk about "glorious animu master race, inferior western animation lesser race" crap needs to end. Yes, Anime has been used to project a much broader spectrum of stuff than Western cartoons typically has. But other than a Akira Kurosawa film how many amazing Japanese movies have you seen? How many big name action/sci-fi Japanese movies have you watched that had even half the special effects budget as even a mid-level Hollywood production? Japan isn't tossing out dozens of animu because they're so respectful of animation and how amazing it is -- the shit is still seen as a kid's medium over there and it's hardly like even half of the released series are anything more than derivative crap (and always has been, this is true in all mediums of entertainment across all lines of countries. Nostalgia and tendencies to ignore terrible stuff only makes us remember the "good stuff" from "back in the day" and hence the days of our past look better than our present). For every Ghost in the Shell you get a Yugioh or Pokemon or anything along those lines. For every Miyazaki film you get a rehashed piece of crap like the Zeta Gundam movie trilogy. So it's not like Japan is some glorious land of consistently amazing and highly regarded animated works. Going off from that, the early days of animation in both countries has served to influence how its treated even to this day. American cartoons were shown in movie theaters, alongside film clips and news reels. Bugs Bunny would play before a reel depicting the incoming storm of Nazi evil. Shit like that. Cartoons were either 5-7 minute shorts (Bugs Bunny, Goofy, Donald, Mickey Mouse, Daffy Duck, etc) or they were one of Disney's large budget films. It was either slapstick and silly or it was a beautifully made film with singing and romance. And that's how it was. And that influenced how stuff was made later on. But to pretend like this stuff had no worth? C'mon. Can you imagine a world without Bugs Bunny? And without Disney and Steambot Willie there would literally be no Animu at all. History-wise, American animation far predates the beginning of the glory days of the Japanese. The origins of Bugs Bunny come from a 1938 short. Tetsuwan Atom, aka Astro Boy, started being published in 52 and didn't get a series till 63. Tetsujin-28 beganto be published around the same time and had a series made around the same time. Modern Animu and Mango, as we know it, is the result of post-war Japan. For comparison and contrast, consider that Superman was created in 1938, Batman in 1939, and the famous Fleischer Superman cartoons were made in the forties! And now some of you are going to try and counter this with "Well if they were so good why didn't they keep making better and better stuff instead of slipping back?" Well I counter with this: we have never slipped back. Cartoons in Western society have always occupied the niche they have for a damned good reason -- our live-action industry is far and beyond anything the Japanese can crank out. My god, we have HBO series with larger episode budgets, I'll wager, than a full-length Japanese major motion picture. We don't NEED to draw the stuff, we can actually make it. And when we do make an animated work we've got a number of different legacies to pull from. Anything that's silly, over-the-top, funny and in general "wacky" is remembering the days of Bugs Bunny. Anything beautifully animated but with moments of darkness and mystery and inspiring some fear or terror can only be paying homage to Walt Disney's works. There's Pixar in modern times redefining how animated movies can be seen, pushing the boundaries of imagination and looking at things in new ways. Then you had guys like Ralph Bakshi, and Don Bluth. We had the Heavy Metal movies, Rock and Rule, The Last Unicorn, Flight of Dragons. Yes, I admit, some of these were collaborated works between Japanese animation studios and Western production staff. Which just drives home the point I'm making -- there's no rivalry between Western and Japanese animation. There's no "OUR SIDE IS BETTER" except what the fans make. The companies in question have always managed to work together fairly well. Pixar is fantastically popular in Japan. And without Western influence we would have never gotten a second season of Big O. Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust, to my knowledge, was made with an english audio track first, if they ever even made a Japanese track. Heck, I can name some great Western animated series that certainly did more with what they had than Anime have. Batman The Animated series put a spin and tone on Batman that has influenced all depictions since then. The voice of Batman to thousands of people, I imagine, is Kevin Conroy. Batman Beyond took it a step further by showing what a life will do to a person by depicting Batman as an old, lonely, and isolated man. Superman The Animated Series, Justice League, JLU, all great shows. Hell, can you guys name any anime which are quite like Sealab: 2021, or more importantly, like Space Ghost: Coast to Coast? These shows didn't just use animation in new ways, they redefined how animation could be used to present a show, and what kinds of shows you could do with animated works. Once more I'm not saying one side is superior or inferior, I'm just pointing out they're different, for understandable and important reasons, and that both have great things to offer us amidst the piles of crap they (and all entertainment in general) float in. The big thing here is that most of this crap is purely silly since everything is animated in Korea anyways. |
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| ZetaStriker | Aug 16 2011, 01:14 PM Post #20 |
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Thrawnma, I have no idea what your problem is, but you're flying off the handle for no reason. No one is claiming that. In fact, it's so off topic I didn't bother reading beyond the first three sentences. I've seen communities where your argument would be valid, but this is not one of them, believe me. |
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AmuroNT1
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Aug 16 2011, 01:50 PM Post #21 |
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The man who destroys worlds and creates worlds
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For the guys who were asking earlier, I think ADV broke up into a number of smaller companies like Sentai Filmworks and Section 23. I guess the main brand is still around, for them to be able to sue people. |
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| Yoshi6400 | Aug 16 2011, 04:39 PM Post #22 |
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Then you have nothing to say either. |
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| gundamtotoro | Aug 16 2011, 06:16 PM Post #23 |
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Old and Cantankerous
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Word. |
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| Scorps | Aug 16 2011, 07:02 PM Post #24 |
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I read the whole thing myself, and I have to say that the rant was indeed incredibly off topic and irrelevant to whatever discussion there was before it. No one was talking about East versus West, so I don't know where that came from at all. If I read into the past discussion correctly, there was reference to animation going into decline in the States once more and anime's general impact on Western animation or something. I do agree that cartoons today seem to be treating their audiences like tripped out druggies, though. A lot of the stuff that's showing on Cartoon Network have shown themselves to be absolutely ridiculous results of post-modernism. But there are the occasional (some of them hidden) gems that manage to come along in the form of Thundercats, Young Justice, Clone Wars, Generator Rex, Ben10 and the like. Though I must say that I like Adventure Time and Regular Show. Adventure Time, while it doesn't seem like it at first glance, does indeed have a plot that it follows, if the more recent episodes (Mortal Folly and Mortal Recoil) are any indication. Edited by Scorps, Aug 16 2011, 07:06 PM.
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| Thrawnma | Aug 16 2011, 09:13 PM Post #25 |
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It's cool guys. I can see how you'd think my rant, which was was less rant and more exposition on history and context of two differing cultures, was off-topic with a comment like this predating it. For the record though, Scorps, there's shows that blow the ones out nowawadays out of the water in terms of "ADHD" content that was out when I was a kid. Ren and Stimpy is foremost in my memory, though there's certainly other stuff too. It's not like wacky, insane cartoons are a recent thing. |
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