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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 1 2008, 04:12 PM (757 Views) | |
| Miguel Aiman | Jan 1 2008, 04:12 PM Post #1 |
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Alright so this isn't exactly news, and it may not be important to everyone or not... but whatever. Anyways I haven't been on in ages, so Happy New Years to everyone. Now to get down to business, Geneon USA is pulling out of the North America, or that is their staying to work on their portfolio. So in otherwords... people like myself our screwed. So the purpose of this thread is, I'm I understanding this correctly? I've tried researching on the net and crap... but I just ended up getting confused. So I was curious if anyone really knew what was going on. I mean... besides all of the Geneon Titles I still need to get (Samurai Champloo is pretty much # 1, followed closely by Gankutsuou, and from their the list just increases). And tonight I just found out that they've done a lot of cds... so in short I'm really screwed. Could anyone possible tell me whats going to happen to knew releases like When They Cry, I believe it's only 3 volumes in... I mean... wtf... I've been waiting awhile to finally see that, and now that dream is crushed... well I mean I guess I could go for it. I don't know, anyone else's opinions/input/insight/comments would be greatly appreciated. I've really been away for quite sometime, that is with anime news as a whole. -Miguel |
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| cybersynaptic | Jan 1 2008, 04:26 PM Post #2 |
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Don't know how much this helps Migs, but here's an article about it: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-...ution-by-friday |
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| Miguel Aiman | Jan 1 2008, 04:32 PM Post #3 |
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It helps a little, that is with dates, and that this was going on awhile ago. Though I guess were still left in the dark about their future plans... *shudders* |
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| Lowe Gear | Jan 1 2008, 06:52 PM Post #4 |
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THEY don't know what they're future plans are anymore, once the deal with ADV broke down. The general theory is that some of the bigger titles they had will get picked up by other companies, while the smaller ones simply fade away. |
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| Miguel Aiman | Mar 18 2008, 12:51 PM Post #5 |
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What the bloody hell is going on... NEWTYPE USA's last issue was Febraury!? FUNimation has shown interest in picking up some of Geneon's titles. And I've been reading about how anime sells (I think that's the correct way of saying it... or anime titles might better stated) has gone down. Know I don't know details but I do know that downloading and fansubbing has definately hurt the Anime Market... but I don't believe thats the "main" reason for anime decline since their's plenty of anime conventions were they sell loads of goods. I many if not all of you purchase anime, mange, or merchandise. I mean it just seems that lots of things aren't looking on the bright side for anime... of course I became an anime fan around 2004, which I'd consider a since 2004-2006 anime's done pretty well. And now were just having a relapse? I mean Newtype USA... man... that was my favorite anime magazine... Things just seem pretty crazy right now and I still need to get the Samurai Camploo Box Set. I really want some big anime title to hit in the U.S.A. again like Naruto... so at the very least fanboys will purchase tons of anime goods... so that why companies will still be distrubuting anime I want. I mean... fanboys are good for one thing. $$$ except for those freeloaders. |
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Mar 18 2008, 03:53 PM Post #6 |
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The man who destroys worlds and creates worlds
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Long stories short... -Geneon had the plug pulled by the Japanese parent company. -Newtype USA was ended by the publisher so they can make their own magazine. TBH, Newtype USA wasn't that amazing since it was basically just the Japanese Newtype from two months ago translated and tended to refer to shows that hadn't been translated yet and probably wouldn't be. -Don't listen to the nay-sayers. The anime industry is NOT dying. |
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| Lowe Gear | Mar 18 2008, 04:10 PM Post #7 |
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It may not be dying, Amuro, but there's plenty of evidence to show that it's not doing well. The fact that ADV has been forced to downsize so much of it's "extra weight" due to lack of capital, coupled with the fact that fansubs are now making DVD releases seem almost pointless to so many of the younger fanbase means that something is gonna have to be done soon, or it WILL die. |
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Mar 18 2008, 04:29 PM Post #8 |
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The man who destroys worlds and creates worlds
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Honestly, as unpopular as the opinion may be, I think the best thing for the anime industry right now is to crack down on fansubbers, and hard. It doesn't matter whether the show is licensed or not, fansubs are hurting the industry not just by removing potential patrons, but instilling the sense of entitlement in future fans that will just perpetuate the cycle. And don't tell me that allowing people to preview a show online helps by letting them decide if they want to buy a show or not, because more often than not they'll just choose to keep their subs. |
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| Lowe Gear | Mar 18 2008, 04:32 PM Post #9 |
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But they won't. Currently, I don't think they have the means to do so, and the simple fact is - the genie's already out of the bottle. I don't know what the answer is right now (if I did I'd be rich), but just saying 'okay, no more fansubbers' is a lot easier said than done now. |
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Mar 18 2008, 04:32 PM Post #10 |
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The man who destroys worlds and creates worlds
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Well, nobody ever said the best solution was the easiest one... |
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| Lowe Gear | Mar 18 2008, 04:36 PM Post #11 |
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True, but I'll take the not-so-good-solution-that-actually-WORKS over the best-one-that-has-no-chance-in-hell-of-working. |
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| The Golux | Mar 18 2008, 06:22 PM Post #12 |
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Part Magician, Part Logician, Part Idiot
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I think the best thing to do would be to employ the fansubbers... |
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| Lowe Gear | Mar 18 2008, 07:25 PM Post #13 |
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Part of me likes that idea...and part of me shudders at the thought of what sort of drek 90% of them would churn out. Some fansubbers have real talent that the industry should try to make use of. But a lot of them are pretentious bastards who aren't worth the bandwidth they hog. |
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| Shinryoma | Mar 18 2008, 09:52 PM Post #14 |
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The problem is more complicated than that. You got an industry that overestimated the market some years ago and licensed stuff indiscriminately. An industry that got everyone used to waiting for cheaper boxsets to be released instead individuals. Japanese companies are under the impressions anime is doing very well and are charging high licensing fees...etc. Yes, fansubs contributed to the current state of anime but it wasn't solely their fault. We're gonna need another Pokemon. If fansubs are made illegal I would have to learn the language or give up the hobby altogether. I don't imagine any of the shows I want to watch will ever get an official release. It's very brave of Animeigo to license Yawara. I worry they might disappear because of that. XD Anyways, we might see less fansubs due to the recent changes in Japanese P2P laws. |
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Mar 18 2008, 10:15 PM Post #15 |
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I believe the licensing fee thing. IIRC, ADV said they had to pass on the Evangelion movies because the licensing fee was in the seven-digit range or so, and that they'd end up losing money on the whole deal. |
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| Shinryoma | Mar 18 2008, 10:42 PM Post #16 |
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http://animeeh.blogspot.com/2008/03/i-fina...-something.html |
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| Lowe Gear | Mar 19 2008, 03:57 AM Post #17 |
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Yeah, that's one of the things that I think is really making all this so complicated is that people over here continually underestimate just HOW different the models are in the two countries. Like I said, I dunno what the next step in the industry is, but for anime to continue to thrive in the US (as opposed to merely trickle on), a lot of things are gonna have to change at the fundamental level, both on the industry side and the fan side. And maybe some sorta "dark age" period will have to occur before that can happen. |
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| Shinryoma | Mar 19 2008, 04:24 AM Post #18 |
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Dark Age? Burning Narutards at stakes?? *brings out pitch fork* Lets go! |
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| Miguel Aiman | Mar 19 2008, 12:58 PM Post #19 |
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Newtype USA was in general terms pointless if you didn't follow dubs and could find translations of it. But personally I enjoyed it, even if I read about titles that wouldn't be licensed over here. I have nothing more to say about that since thats my opinion... plus I found the previews and episodes they gave along with the info was valuable enough for me. Personally, I find that the problem lies within the newer generation of anime kids... those teenagers that I'd say could possibly range from 12-19 I'll say give or take a few years. It's definately majority of the kids like Seedlings that are the problem with fansubs and downloading. Not to mention most people that actually buy the stuff are more or less well... diehard fans. Maybe not diehard... but loyal fans. It just pisses me off that some people pretty much freeload and watch their favorite series for nothing... and I dunno... in no other way besides going on about it... support it. It's bullshit... we should stone those kids with the surplus amount of InuYasha dvds still overflowing the shelves at Best Buy. I don't know about you but but anime products at Best Buy and Suncoast were overflowing. Anime took up almost an entire row at Best Buy... it now roughly 4 sections (columns) of anime that is very spacious... and mostly made up of InuYasha and DBZ dvds. I'm a sucker for the economy... I still LEGALLY buy all my movies, music, and anime (except for ONE bootleg of ZZ... and thats because I couldn't find an original box set... if they still sold them... I wouldn't have gotten the bootleg). Now I do realize that inless your rolling in quiet a few Gs... like enough for a mil... your not going to be able to afford to purchase every anime title you want to watch. Nonetheless... I believe in at least supporting ONE anime title you really like. And really you guys aren't the problem... I'm not saying everyone on this forum buys anime... but many of you, majority of you are well... I think Veteran fans... shining examples of how true otakus show their support and love for what they enjoy. I mean I don't think most anime fans in the states, or north america in general know whats going on in the anime industry... and sadly I don't think many would care since they already watch it subbed... and many don't really purchase it. So it wouldn't directly affect them at the moment. I'm going to go off now and get even more upset... because I know if I try to argue this to the younger fans... kids my age about this problem. Their going to blame the industry and give me all this BULLSHIT about them being too poor... f*** anime's a luxury not a right... to many damn mooching pests for me. Agreed... we need another Pokemon... and soon... I don't think I'd do well mentally if we went through a dark age so to speak. Not that I don't like subs... their good... but I prefer dubs... and naive and unotaku like as that sounds... |
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| Shinryoma | Mar 26 2008, 04:05 AM Post #20 |
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Interesting, http://www.animenation.net/news/index.php?id=12254 |
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| Orochi Kusanagi | Mar 26 2008, 04:09 AM Post #21 |
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Unlimited Blade Works
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Wow, that's weird, but awesome. |
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| gundamtotoro | Mar 26 2008, 06:00 AM Post #22 |
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I miss the VHS fansub days where we would trade tapes (I actually had a double deck VHS player for this reason) or if you went through a distributor you had to pay for the cost of the tapes and shipping. Even though it was "free" there was still some "cost" to it which prevented some people going exclusively with fansubs. There is no cost with digisubs. Sure, I have VHS fansubs of Gundam Wing but frankly between the costs of the tapes and shipping I probably spent like $72 on it. I can buy the series on DVD for less than that now. XD It seems I could also go with an HD Fansub for nothing now from what I hear. >> |
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| Lowe Gear | Mar 26 2008, 06:17 AM Post #23 |
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Oooh, neat. Blassreiter was one of the ones I was interested in, so I'll hafta look for that. |
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| Miguel Aiman | Mar 26 2008, 03:16 PM Post #24 |
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Thats a pretty good idea! And to an extent it will help with illegal fansubbing... and I think I'm going to check out both of these!!! I love it one on the 4th and one on the 5th... that should help my addiction. |
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Mar 26 2008, 03:26 PM Post #25 |
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That is actually a pretty good idea. Who'd have thought... any company would embrace the digital? |
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