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Topic Started: Oct 9 2007, 01:08 AM (1,180 Views)
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ok so im a vegitartion for many reasons, and im also against the cars that have horrible gas mileage and im watching CBS thats saying how the ice caps have suffered a scary thaw and how record heat temperatures are sweeping the nation. i just want to see what some views are...and i am very much against global warming and hunting unless absolutely nesscassary and even then we dont need to eat meat..but ya. just want some opinions.
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Meat is an essential part of the diet. A balanced diet has at least 1/3 meat products in it. I love animals too but hunting is fine with me as long as most of the animal is used. Sport hunting is not cool. I think global warming is a real issue.
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Supplements perhaps?

Global warming has happened to the earth before, so why worry about it now? It's the natural part of, well, nature.

And I do agree about hunting. I hate it. Unless you are using the animal for food and other needs, then it shouldn't be allowed. I hate game hunting with a passion.
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As far as global warming. I don't care too much. It's amazing that our climate is as stable as it's been for this long. Usually the earth goes through short cycles with rapid violent changes.

As far as Animals I'm fine with it so long as it's used for food and it's not excessive.
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Oct 9 2007, 11:44 AM
Meat is an essential part of the diet. A balanced diet has at least 1/3 meat products in it. I love animals too but hunting is fine with me as long as most of the animal is used. Sport hunting is not cool. I think global warming is a real issue.

but when you think about it it isnt....like when humans were hunter gathers they ate almost all veggies...i just dont think that we should be killing defensless animals when we dont need them to survive. i do respect people who choose to eat meat however.

and i do get all my nutrients. its possible to get the nutirents you need without eating meat. like rice and beans together is full protien.


and i just learned that meat industries are one of the main producers of green house gasses.
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When we were hunter gathers we ate meat for sure. After all we are hunters. Defenseless animals are different. You should never kill a defenseless animal. Even though there are very few. If they are defenseless we probably raised them that way.
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We raise animals for our own needs, like cows, sheep, chickens, etc... They may seem defenseless, but most farm animals could easily kill us if they wanted to.
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Oct 9 2007, 03:28 PM
but when you think about it it isnt....like when humans were hunter gathers they ate almost all veggies...

Trying foraging for veggies in the frozen tundra during winter. It's not that plentiful. Nor is the boreal forest nor the deciduous forest not the grasslands nor the savannah nor the desert not eeven the tropical rainforest where fruit is at it's bountiest. In native peoples of the tropics they still eat about 1/3 of their diet in meat.

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i just dont think that we should be killing defensless animals when we dont need them to survive. i do respect people who choose to eat meat however.

We need them to survive. Unless you want crap made in a lab. An organic Vegitarian diet is bad.
"Poorly planned vegetarian diets can be relatively low in protein, iron, zinc, vitamin B12, calcium, omega-3 fatty acids, retinol (vitamin A), vitamin D, riboflavin (vitamin B2) and iodine.[1][2] Vegans may have particularly low intakes of vitamin B12 and calcium"

"Due to the lower digestibility of plant proteins, however, the American Dietetic Association (ADA) states "protein needs might be higher than the RDA in vegetarians whose dietary protein sources are mainly those that are less well digested, such as some cereals and legumes."["

"Meat, fish and poultry are the only sources of heme iron; plants contain only non-heme iron, which is absorbed less efficiently by the human body."

"A study in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association found that while iron-deficiency anemia is not more common among vegetarians, "vegetarian children had ... reduced levels of haemoglobin and iron compared to omnivores" due "to the absence of animal iron sources with high utilizability". "However, phytates in many whole-grains and fiber in many foods may interfere with zinc absorption and marginal zinc intake has poorly understood effects."

"Vitamin B12 deficiency is potentially extremely serious, leading to pernicious anemia, nerve degeneration and irreversible neurological damage.[15] A regular source of vitamin B12 is particularly important for those over the age of 50 years, and pregnant and lactating women (and for breastfed infants if the mother's diet is not supplemented).[1]

Evidence suggests that vegetarians and vegans who are not taking vitamin B12 supplements do not consume sufficient servings of B12 and often have abnormally low blood concentrations of vitamin B12.[16] This is because, unless fortified, plant foods do not contain significant amounts of active vitamin B12."

"Vegetarian sources of omega-3 fatty acids are primarily the short chain variety and likely to have lower concentrations of the particular essential fatty acids (EFAs), eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). The body can synthesize small quantities of EPA and DHA from other omega-3 fatty acids, such as alpha-linolenic acids, which are present in vegetarian sources of omega-3 fatty acids. The human body can also convert DHA into EPA. DHA supplements derived from DHA-rich microalgae are available. Whilst the human body can in theory do this conversion, in practice modern diets and lifestyles reduce the effectiveness of the conversion systems. Roughly ten times more of the short chain omega-3s must be consumed to have the same effect as the long chain form from fish oil."

"The human body can synthesize Vitamin D when skin is exposed to ultraviolet radiation from the sun. Vegans who do not eat foods or pills fortified with synthetic vitamin D and with little exposure to the sun's ultraviolet radiation, e.g. who don't expose their extremities for at least 15-30 minutes per day or those living at latitudes close to the poles, are vulnerable to Vitamin D deficiencies."

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and i just learned that meat industries are one of the main producers of green house gasses.

Which is why I don't support factory farms but it still does not deter me from eating meat.

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Global warming has happened to the earth before, so why worry about it now? It's the natural part of, well, nature.

because one we are causing the problem and two it is happening at an increasingly alarming rate. In 50 years they are saying that carbon dioxide levels will reach about 500 ppm. The last time that happened the sea level was 300ft high. Plus it's irreversible. There is a lag between temperature increase and our CO2 production. It's like covering yourself with a blanket. When you put a heavy blanket on you don't expect to get warm immediately do you? And there is the problem of positive feedbacks. As the temperature increases more CO2 gets produced which raises the temperature and so on.

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I don't care too much. It's amazing that our climate is as stable as it's been for this long. Usually the earth goes through short cycles with rapid violent changes.

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Never has it gone this high this fast in the past 650 thousand years. Plus if we go by that chart shouldn't we be in a cooling era by now?
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We need them to survive. Unless you want crap made in a lab. An organic Vegitarian diet is bad.
"Poorly planned vegetarian diets can be relatively low in protein, iron, zinc, vitamin B12, calcium, omega-3 fatty acids, retinol (vitamin A), vitamin D, riboflavin (vitamin B2) and iodine.[1][2] Vegans may have particularly low intakes of vitamin B12 and calcium"

"Due to the lower digestibility of plant proteins, however, the American Dietetic Association (ADA) states "protein needs might be higher than the RDA in vegetarians whose dietary protein sources are mainly those that are less well digested, such as some cereals and legumes."["

"Meat, fish and poultry are the only sources of heme iron; plants contain only non-heme iron, which is absorbed less efficiently by the human body."

"A study in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association found that while iron-deficiency anemia is not more common among vegetarians, "vegetarian children had ... reduced levels of haemoglobin and iron compared to omnivores" due "to the absence of animal iron sources with high utilizability". "However, phytates in many whole-grains and fiber in many foods may interfere with zinc absorption and marginal zinc intake has poorly understood effects."

"Vitamin B12 deficiency is potentially extremely serious, leading to pernicious anemia, nerve degeneration and irreversible neurological damage.[15] A regular source of vitamin B12 is particularly important for those over the age of 50 years, and pregnant and lactating women (and for breastfed infants if the mother's diet is not supplemented).[1]

Evidence suggests that vegetarians and vegans who are not taking vitamin B12 supplements do not consume sufficient servings of B12 and often have abnormally low blood concentrations of vitamin B12.[16] This is because, unless fortified, plant foods do not contain significant amounts of active vitamin B12."

"Vegetarian sources of omega-3 fatty acids are primarily the short chain variety and likely to have lower concentrations of the particular essential fatty acids (EFAs), eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). The body can synthesize small quantities of EPA and DHA from other omega-3 fatty acids, such as alpha-linolenic acids, which are present in vegetarian sources of omega-3 fatty acids. The human body can also convert DHA into EPA. DHA supplements derived from DHA-rich microalgae are available. Whilst the human body can in theory do this conversion, in practice modern diets and lifestyles reduce the effectiveness of the conversion systems. Roughly ten times more of the short chain omega-3s must be consumed to have the same effect as the long chain form from fish oil."

"The human body can synthesize Vitamin D when skin is exposed to ultraviolet radiation from the sun. Vegans who do not eat foods or pills fortified with synthetic vitamin D and with little exposure to the sun's ultraviolet radiation, e.g. who don't expose their extremities for at least 15-30 minutes per day or those living at latitudes close to the poles, are vulnerable to Vitamin D deficiencies."


let me make this very clear. ive been a vegitarian for a year. i eat many organtic foods. ive grown 3 inches in said year, gained 10 pounds and am at a very good weight. i have been exercising more cuz of my sports level i play at, have been told by a DOCTOR that im perfectly healthy. i dont eat meat and im healthier than over half of america that eats un healthy fast food meat products.

i could go on for a very long time about how healthy vegitarainism is but i wont.

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and i just learned that meat industries are one of the main producers of green house gasses.


Which is why I don't support factory farms but it still does not deter me from eating meat.


but when you eat meat you are simply helping the facory farms continue to produce meat and that then creates more greenhouse gasses.

as for harmless animals, the most dangerous animal in the living world is man. a harmess animal is any animal that doesnt stand a chace to survive. that includes any animal that has ever been faced against a human with a gun.
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>"you are psycotic and quite frankly scare me but you are tan and i am jealous." -my other best friend
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I do agree we are the most dangerous animals in the world. Look at what we have done to many animals already... A lot of them are extinct because of us.

I would be a vegetarian, but I like the taste of meat too much to give it up.
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Oct 9 2007, 05:10 PM
I do agree we are the most dangerous animals in the world. Look at what we have done to many animals already... A lot of them are extinct because of us.

I would be a vegetarian, but I like the taste of meat too much to give it up.

thats what my mums like. she doesnt eat alot of meat though.
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>"you are psycotic and quite frankly scare me but you are tan and i am jealous." -my other best friend
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I have my fair share. I eat it when it's available.
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I don't care too much. It's amazing that our climate is as stable as it's been for this long. Usually the earth goes through short cycles with rapid violent changes.

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Never has it gone this high this fast in the past 650 thousand years. Plus if we go by that chart shouldn't we be in a cooling era by now?

I wasn't referring to the CO2 levels just the climate in general.
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Global warming is a major threat, the only problem is we're not sure what the results will be. Alot of scientists are unsure of whether the Earth's temperature will continue to increase or that we'll be plunged into another ice age, which we're due for.

As for hunting, while I don't hunt I do see hunting as a positive rather than negative. The reason we allow hunting is because there's too much of a species in an area. Hunting is a way we regulate animal populations in the U.S. Without it, more animals would die of starvation and environmental displacement. The only reason I like hunting is because it helps the greater population.

As for not eating meat, actually humans do need meat. People who live their whole lives as a vegetarian produce weaker children. Humans have always relied on meat and will always need it until we can completely reproduce it through science.
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