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| React to Ep. 4.09:"Daddy's Little Girl" | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 12 2007, 07:00 PM (2,946 Views) | |
| Ranadiel | Aug 16 2007, 04:17 AM Post #31 |
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Recall Tess's first appearance. She commanded the entire mental institution to build that device without ever telling anyone all the details. So it certainly isn't the first time that she has used her powers without speaking.
While an interesting idea, we know from that film guy that the marked don't have any powers. Plus the relationship has clearly been building(at least to me) since before Tom got Marked.
Interesting idea, I personaly hope that isn't the case since I like Tess's power and would hate to see her lose it, but it is entirely possible. |
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| cinder_chick | Aug 16 2007, 07:03 AM Post #32 |
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But Tess used her ability after Shawn healed her. When they were leaving the diner Shawn said "they're not going to remember any of this right?" and Tess replies "not if I don't want them to" implying that she just used her ability to wipe their memories. Is anyone else dissapointed that Shawn sleeps with a shirt on? Words can't describe how much I wanted to be that waitress he was dancing with. Seriously even if I had been dancing for 2 days straight and so exhausted I could barely stand if Tess gave me Shawn as a partner I'd be on my feet dancing with a smile on my face in less than a second. The look on Kevins face after Tess told him she hated him, I just wanted to cry he looked so devastated. He loves her so much. I would comment on the Tom and his boss story line but I fast forwarded all of those scenes. Is that bad? I never thought I'd say this but I actually hope adult Isabelle comes back. Maybe it's just her lack of psychoticness but she's grown on me alot this season. Maybe Tom takes the shot to get rid of the mole person in his head or to gain control of them. In which case Kyle's book will be right. |
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Firefly quote of the week: Kaylee: Everone's got someone but me. Wash tell me I'm pretty. Wash: Were I unwed I'd take you in a manly fashion. Kaylee: Coz I'm pretty? Wash: Coz your pretty. (Hearts of Gold). | |
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| dawn | Aug 16 2007, 08:21 AM Post #33 |
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True and true. I realize, practically, they couldn't go into the specifics of promicin-compatibility given the time left in the episode, and story-wise, Kevin hasn't had access to a proper lab for some time... but still, after all the dramatic set-up, I wanted more of a pay-off. I would've been satisfied with just a two word reference (e.g., "Starzl Mutation" -- although I don't think that's it since plenty of P+'s are from outside the Seattle area), just something to titillate/tide me over till the next ep. Articulating the problem is fine... but I just wanted something more to chew on, that's all. Probably next week (or in the weeks to come) this'll become a major plot point, so I guess we'll all get our answers then. Count me in with the others who don't think Tess' ability is linked to her mental illness. (Though I also am hoping against hope her mental illness isn't gone for good, so even if her ability is linked, maybe it won't matter?) If she was able to use her ability while on anti-psychotic meds, I'm willing to bet she'll be able to use it now. Plus, when Shawn healed that autistic kid, did he lose his ability? (Did they even say? I can't remember...) |
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Kaylee, find that kid who's taking a dirt nap with baby Jesus. We need a hood ornament. It was a very emotional time for Buttercup. | |
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| cinder_chick | Aug 16 2007, 09:38 AM Post #34 |
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What about all of those 4400's Shawn healed when they almost died from the promicin inhibitor? They still have their abilities, at least Maia does. Now that Isabelle is young again, if she's allowed to grow normally do you think she'll start producing promicin again and get an ability? |
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Firefly quote of the week: Kaylee: Everone's got someone but me. Wash tell me I'm pretty. Wash: Were I unwed I'd take you in a manly fashion. Kaylee: Coz I'm pretty? Wash: Coz your pretty. (Hearts of Gold). | |
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| dawn | Aug 16 2007, 10:04 AM Post #35 |
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True, but those 4400's were sick as a direct result of lack of promicin, or, put another way, it was a problem with their bodies' physiology, not a psychological issue. Although schizophrenia does have a biological/physiological basis and I guess you could argue the two sicknesses are similar in that respect... still, I think that situation was different. Those 4400's were essentially poisoned. Something was done to them -- they weren't born with their illnesses like that kid (or developed them over time like Tess did, without the interference of the future/promicin). I guess what I'm trying to say is their sickness wasn't due to a genetic thing, like Tess' schizophrenia and that kid's autism, which are diseases that both seem more... I don't know, intrinsic to their brain chemistry/make-up. I could see the healing of those illnesses as potentially having an effect on an ability more readily than I could see the healing of just a lack of promicin. Basically, I don't think any of the illnesses Shawn healed will have an effect on abilities whatsoever... but if the healing were to have an effect, I could accept it affecting Tess and that kid more than, say, Maia.
That's an interesting possibility. IIRC, if you have the Starzl Mutation and you spawn with someone who also has it, then your child can grow up producing promicin on their own, right? Does anyone remember if Lily & Richard had the mutation? If they did, maybe Isabelle will regain her ability to produce the magic juice. Who knows! But then again, that Injection of Doom she got stabbed with supposedly made her body super-allergic to promicin, no? Who's to say those effects will be negated just be her growing younger? Her biological age might be turning back, but might her body still retain the changes that were made to it as an adult? (e.g., Not to put too fine a point on it, but she wouldn't regrow a hymen, would she? So how could she suddenly regain her promicin-producing capabilities if that was the case?) I think it all hinges on how that age-reversal ability actually works. Does it just make you younger (I dunno, repair damage to your telomeres, clean up some free radicals, etc.) or does it actually revert your body back to how it was once upon a time? If Isabelle had any identifying marks or scars (maybe where she was injected?) and they disappear, then we'd have something to go on, maybe... at least in that case we would know physical changes to her body were actually being reversed.... But I don't think adult!Isabelle ever had any, so there goes that line of speculation.... |
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Kaylee, find that kid who's taking a dirt nap with baby Jesus. We need a hood ornament. It was a very emotional time for Buttercup. | |
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| cinder_chick | Aug 16 2007, 10:10 AM Post #36 |
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True but that doesn't change the fact that she used her ability to make the people in the diner forget after Shawn healed her. Unless she's not completely healed. It is possible it is just a temporary thing.
Children can grow out of allergies can't they? Children are a lot more adaptable than adults. Who's to say as her body is growing and changing it may find a way to "cure" itself and start producing promicin or at least rid her of this supposed allergy to it. She did used to produce the purest form of it. |
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Firefly quote of the week: Kaylee: Everone's got someone but me. Wash tell me I'm pretty. Wash: Were I unwed I'd take you in a manly fashion. Kaylee: Coz I'm pretty? Wash: Coz your pretty. (Hearts of Gold). | |
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| dawn | Aug 16 2007, 10:16 AM Post #37 |
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Yeah, I think that's the strongest argument for Tess still having her ability. It wasn't directly shown, that the diner people forgot b/c Tess told them to, but I think it's safe to say it was certainly implied. Btw, do you know about the autistic kid? Did he still have his ability after Shawn healed him? I can't remember them saying one way or the other... |
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Kaylee, find that kid who's taking a dirt nap with baby Jesus. We need a hood ornament. It was a very emotional time for Buttercup. | |
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| cinder_chick | Aug 16 2007, 10:22 AM Post #38 |
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I'm not sure. I don't think it was mentioned. I assumed that NTAC gave him a promicin inhibitor or something. |
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Firefly quote of the week: Kaylee: Everone's got someone but me. Wash tell me I'm pretty. Wash: Were I unwed I'd take you in a manly fashion. Kaylee: Coz I'm pretty? Wash: Coz your pretty. (Hearts of Gold). | |
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| Ranadiel | Aug 16 2007, 11:44 AM Post #39 |
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Actually I beleive that it was a build up of too much inhibitor that messed them up not the lack of promicin itself.
Richard was abducted before the mutation was first created, so he can't have it. Lily could theoretically have it(since I believe she did live in Seatle for at least a short time so she might have been from around there). However the mutation might not even come into play in this case. We know that when a PP has a child with a PN the child will be PN, unless the PN has the starzl mutation. However we don't have any evidence(except for Isabelle who likely got some adjustments from the future) of what happens when both parents are PP. It is entirely possible that two PP will always have PP kids.
Well...this is an akward topic of discussion. I'm not too familiar with the growth of hymen, and have no desire to look that up, so I think I'll use some other examples of what you could theoretically expect to happen with her deaging. First theoretical example would be if Isabelle had gotten into a bar room brawl at some point in time and had a tooth punched out. By being deaged to a point before she got her adult teeth she would eventually grow in a new set of teeth(speaking of which she should be toothless right now....didn't pay attention to if she is though). Second theoretical example is if she lost her arm in prison fight or something. Since there is no biological process through which an arm is grown post-brth she would be a young child without an arm. As to whether she would regain her abilities through this, we really can't say. We have no idea how the anti-promicin works. If it changed her bio-chemistry then in all likelyhood she will remain powerless for the time being since there should be no natural process that can reverse such a change(although with her mind going to developmental stages I suppose anything is possible). However if the chemical just sticks around in her body preventing her from ever gaining powers by simply being there, then it is possible that it got expelled as part of her body mass that magically vanished while deaging since it wasn't something that was part of standard biological fuunctions.
Based on the way it was activated, drinking specific water, I would guess that the most likely mechanism is that the water forces your body to reverse the natural processes of aging. It shouldn't make you an exact duplicate of how you were at the time you were that age.
They said in the episode that they would put him on the inhibitor after he was healed. |
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| Fanwoman | Aug 16 2007, 12:05 PM Post #40 |
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They put him on the prohibitor, so, yeah, the implication was he still has his abilities. The reason Tess' insanity was relevant to her ability was because, without her being insane, she wouldn't have ended up in the same place as Kevin. Without being in the same place as Kevin, she wouldn't have been able to cure him by getting everyone to build the Tower. Frankly, I'm surprised it's taken this long to get her cured, since her insanity is no longer relevant to the plot, and Shawn has, this season, proven himself capable of curing more complicated illnesses. Then again, it's just bias that mental illness is treated any differently than, say, diabetes or any other chemical imbalance. :shrug:
I laughed so hard, I startled the dog!Nothing wrong with that at all. So should I take it you, too, are filled with apathy on this issue of Tom's love life, or are you just bored by it? And, now that you mention it, we did get shirtless Tom, this episode. Why did they skimp on the shirtless Shawn? They must know he's eyecandy #1 among female viewers. Hmm...
I know. The poor man!
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I laughed so hard, I startled the dog!
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