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React to Ep. 4.09:"Daddy's Little Girl"
Topic Started: Aug 12 2007, 07:00 PM (2,947 Views)
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The boiling vat of oil needs to be upgraded so that two people can fit in it. Someone get to work on that! Next week looks....interesting to say the least.

do you have any idea what Meghan and Ben in the same vat would do?

Leave it to Keenir to come up with a funny yet creepy observation. LOL

I'm afraid Doyle only inspires in me great apathy; I don't care enough to want her thrown in a vat. That's not to say I care enough to want her not thrown in a vat, either. :notangel:


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4400fan: I appologize for not posting a lot. My doctor only allowed me 10 min. a day on the computer! I have a hand/arm injury and he doesn't want me to make it worse. It's a drag since I can't post a lot anymore.

I'll have my review up shortly. Right after last night's epi, we left the house immediately to go check out a meteor shower.

Aw! :( Take care of your wrist! Feel better soon!

Ach! I forgot the meteor shower! :doh:


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Cassie! ...Why won't she tell Kyle/us why Isabelle is important?

Yeah! It's certainly been long enough.


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And now Kevin has a theory that he might be able to find out who's at risk of dying from Promicin and those who can be saved, how sweet is that?! I look forward to the future of Burkhoff's research. And now just hopefully, he and Tess can have a happy life together.

Hadn't thought of it like that. The deaths were what caused Tess problems. It would make sense Kevin would look into stopping them for more reasons than scientific curiosity.


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-Sad that there are only about eight more episodes

Huh? :blink: This is episode 9, right? Are there more than 13 episodes this season?!


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Tom and Meghan bit..... What the Beep! :doh:

I didn't really like Tom until season three, and I began this season with a great deal of empathy for him. But this plot with Dooyle is making me apathetic about him. Maybe I'm just distancing myself from him because I don't want to care enough to be disappointed by another character I like behaving like a jerk...though he'll be doing it involuntarily. :hideyes:

All I can say is they sure as heck had better not bring Alana back after this. <_< I know that may be an unpopular stance, but the whole breaking the hearts of people who are still around thing wasn't fun with Marco or April, and I sure don't want to see Alana have to deal with it, too. :(

Just because Tom has it tough is kind of a lame excuse. What? He needs a woman in his life or he can't get by? Isn't he supposed to be our tough hero? Aside from that, where's the attraction? I mean, okay, she's pretty and smart, but other than that, what's the motivation? She's his boss for pete's sake! Is it that he feels sorry for her because of her father? :Psst, Tom! Her father's fine, now!:

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Man things are really quiet here.

I can't help but wonder how much of it's busy summer schedules and how much of it is people growing less enchanted with the season...


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Do NOT like Tom and Megan! Bleah!!!

Succinctly put.
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Was I the only one who thought they came off like horny teenagers? :doh:


Oh, and although this episode had no Marco to introduce a new love interest to (which is something I'm dreading they'll do), yay for no new love interest for Marco!
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Oh as a reminder, or announcment I guess, I have posted a new theory is the Theory Room for anyone who missed that. I'm not sure if this one translated as well from my head to post as well as some of them in the past have, but it is the only one so far this season from me.

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Ranadiel are you happen now that I shrunk my sigature of Kyle and Isabelle? I should have left it because I'm now on "the List."

Yes I am quite happy. And you would have been on the second much more dangerous list had you not done it. :P

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And what, exactly, could you do to protect Isabelle from Richard, Kyle?

I wondered the exact same thing.

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Helping Jordan find someone kidnapped from his City? How is Doyle going to explain that to the top brass?

Easy, tracking down an escaped felon and a wanted man. Had NTAC caught Richard and Isabelle neither of them would have been returning to Promise City.

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Oh, what would a sane Tess be like?

We've actually seen a sane Tess before in most of her appearances. After her first appearance they were able to treat her condition(up until the start of this season at least).

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But this plot with Dooyle is making me apathetic about him. Maybe I'm just distancing myself from him because I don't want to care enough to be disappointed by another character I like behaving like a jerk...though he'll be doing it involuntarily.

I agree whole heartedly. The sub-plot with the evil director(oh perfect name for her!) is really dragging Tom down. As a character the evil director seems, to me at least, to be a complete flop and she is actually making me hate my favorite character on the show, Tom. The only way they can salvage this plotline in my eyes is if she turns out to be a marked. Otherwise, Tom is probably going to start rapidly dropping in the ranks towards the bottom of my favorite character list.

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All I can say is they sure as heck had better not bring Alana back after this.  I know that may be an unpopular stance, but the whole breaking the hearts of people who are still around thing wasn't fun with Marco or April, and I sure don't want to see Alana have to deal with it, too.

Honostly, I'm of the complete oppisite opinion because I think that Alana returning would be the only thing that could snap Tom out of his relationship with the evil director. Of course if they did bring her back and he chose the evil director then Tom would eternally be dropped to being lower then Ben on my character rankings.

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I can't help but wonder how much of it's busy summer schedules and how much of it is people growing less enchanted with the season...

Actually I think it might have more to do with about half our regulars being unable to see the episodes now, which is a real shame.

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Was I the only one who thought they came off like horny teenagers?

They seemed a little bit too tame to be horny teenagers to me. :P
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Last night was the final 4400 I will ever watch during the actual air dates :cray: :boohoo: :cray:

My parents will be recording the next episodes for me but now I'm going to be a week behind. I feared this day would come but I didn't expect it to be so soon. I love the 4400 obsessively so it's not going to be the same tuning in on Sunday night's.

I knew this had to happen eventually. I will be moving on Saturday. No more everyday home life- hello dorm and college life.

I do promise to still post at this site. There is no way I'd leave! But it won't be the same. I won't get to post my reviews like I do after the episodes air.

But I have to be strong, it's like Jordan Collier said, "Change is painful and comes with a cost." and "Tomorrow is a mystery the only thing we can do is face it with resolve. We move forward, always forward and into what's next. We make a choice. We act on that choice. And all that's left is to live in hope."

---->Back to Daddy's Little Girl:

Okay so toddler Isabelle, the one that said "Daddy", it was the same baby girl that did season 2 wasn't it?! It sure looked like little Jordan.
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i knew that baby at the end looked like the baby in season 2. and it is! that's cool.
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i knew that baby at the end looked like the baby in season 2. and it is! that's cool.

How cool is that, hu?! When Amy Berg confirmed it on the blog I still couldn't believe it. It's amazing at how lucky they were to have little Jordan return. She was adorable in season 2 and it was really cool of them to bring her back. She owns baby/toddler Isabelle!!!
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I was a little bored during this ep. I rated it "okay", though, for the Kevin/Tess-ness and the unexpected return of baby Isabelle (really didn't see that coming!)

I was hoping for more of an explanation re: Kevin's research than "maybe we'll figure out who won't die" b/c duh, isn't that obvious? I mean, I think we've all figured out by now that the ultimate goal is a promicin-compatibility test: the real question is what factor(s) determine promicin-compatibility. So throw us a bone, show, and let us know what those factor(s) are.

Well, maybe I'm the only one who found that scene anvilicious. But to me, it felt like they needed something DRAMATIC to end off with and... it just fell flat. "Hey, by the way, you think it'd be a good idea to figure out who'll die before we stick 'em with a needle?" "Oh, good spot, I'll get right on that!" "Cool, you can have your old lab back."

I mean... duh, you know? Eh, I'll shut up about that now.

The Kevin/Tess storyline was okay. I'm all about the crazy Tess-ness. But unfortunately, is she now cured forever and ever never to go psychopathic again? B/c I'll miss my crazy pseudo-River if that's the case... ah well. It was still good to see Combs and Glau back in action.

And, hey, maybe the crazy quotient'll be provided by Richard from here on out. He was a bit off his nut this ep, wasn't he?

I mean, I understand where he's coming from, Isabelle is his daughter and of course he'll do anything to get her back, but whoever at NTAC said he was coming off pretty bad@ss hit the nail on the head: I'm liking this more intense, slightly unhinged version of Richard. I'm interested to see where he and baby Isabelle go from here.

Also, making Isabelle pass out by stopping the flow of blood to her brain? Coolest use of telekinesis EVER!

I really don't think I've seen such a creative use of telekinesis on any other series/movie. Good job, show.

The Tom/Meghan-ness was horrific, cliche, and has cemented that ship's place in my rankings of worst ships ever. I'm just glad this storyline is coinciding nicely with Tom's mark-edness. Hopefully it'll all turn out to be some future faction's manipulation or (like someone speculated upthread) Meghan will turn out to be a marked herself.

Otherwise, Ms. Doyle might win for most unprofessional fictional boss ever. She's a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen! Don't make me bring out the Panda.

Next week's previews: the return of Lily? Count me in!
Kaylee, find that kid who's taking a dirt nap with baby Jesus. We need a hood ornament.

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Well I was reading the writer's blog and came accross this litle comments.
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There's one final thing I want to talk about with regards to this episode. Now I don't have a lot of free time, which means I don't peruse the message boards on any regular basis, but a little birdie has told me that not everyone is in love with the idea of a Tom-Meghan romantic pairing.

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Since I'm not sure if any of my ramblings survived, I'll talk a little about it here. Truth be told, I'm a big fan of this relationship. It makes perfect sense to me. These are two people in high pressure jobs that see each other every day. And this isn't the kind of job where you can just go home at night, put your feet up, and forget about work for a while. This job follows you around. It weighs on your soul. And there's only a handful of people in the world who can relate to what you're going through. People you can lean on and talk things out with. And if you don't talk things out? If you keep everything bottled up inside? This job will eat you alive. So it seems only natural to me that two people would gravitate towards one another as Tom and Meghan have. They're simply looking for comfort. Whether it be through friendship, or something more. It's a relationship that makes sense to me.

It looks like unless they are trying to throw us a swerve here, that this relationship is here to stay. :( Also I wonder if Amy was referring to us here when she was referring to the message boards since from what I could see when I did a quick look on the official boards the hatred for the relationship is a little calmer over there then it is here(plus we know she has been here at least once). Also there was this comment:
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This pretty much killed some of my hope for the remainder of the season. Also probably guaranteed Tom's position in my character ranking to continue slipping. Oh well there is still always the hope that the evil director gets revealed to be one of the marked.
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Oh, what would a sane Tess be like?

We've actually seen a sane Tess before in most of her appearances. After her first appearance they were able to treat her condition(up until the start of this season at least).

Tess in season three was well-medicated, but I don't think that qualified as wholly sane. I think, if she'd been wholly sane, she wouldn't have been so blindly devoted to Collier's vision.

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I was hoping for more of an explanation re: Kevin's research than "maybe we'll figure out who won't die" b/c duh, isn't that obvious? I mean, I think we've all figured out by now that the ultimate goal is a promicin-compatibility test: the real question is what factor(s) determine promicin-compatibility. So throw us a bone, show, and let us know what those factor(s) are.

Well, maybe I'm the only one who found that scene anvilicious. But to me, it felt like they needed something DRAMATIC to end off with and... it just fell flat. "Hey, by the way, you think it'd be a good idea to figure out who'll die before we stick 'em with a needle?" "Oh, good spot, I'll get right on that!" "Cool, you can have your old lab back."

I didn't have problems with it for two reasons. They'd just survived a difficult ordeal, so jumping straight into a long explanation about a scientific epiphany would have been a bit much--letting them catch their breath and set up the next plot was fine by me. Also, it's not as though, having been on the run from NTAC, that Burkhoff would have had the opportunity to do any meaningful, lab-type research. "I have an idea, but I need the opportunity to look into it" was believable.


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And, hey, maybe the crazy quotient'll be provided by Richard from here on out. He was a bit off his nut this ep, wasn't he?

I'm glad I'm not the only one to think he seemed a bit unhinghed!


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But this plot with Dooyle is making me apathetic about him. Maybe I'm just distancing myself from him because I don't want to care enough to be disappointed by another character I like behaving like a jerk...though he'll be doing it involuntarily.

I agree whole heartedly. The sub-plot with the evil director(oh perfect name for her!) is really dragging Tom down. As a character the evil director seems, to me at least, to be a complete flop and she is actually making me hate my favorite character on the show, Tom. The only way they can salvage this plotline in my eyes is if she turns out to be a marked. Otherwise, Tom is probably going to start rapidly dropping in the ranks towards the bottom of my favorite character list.

Just to be clear, I was referring to the evil Marked!Tom will commit (yes, I'm assuming that will happen--it's hard not to) when I referred to him acting like a jerk, not his forgetting too quickly about the woman he supposedly was in love with for many AU years.

As to the possibility of Doyle being a Marked, I'd thought it would be interesting if her Marked and Tom's Marked were spouses in the future. Unfortunately, based on the writer's comments you shared, it would seem Doyle is no more or less than she seems. I can understand the writer's logic as far as both of them being in high-stress jobs that follow them home and no one else can relate to, but Tom just doesn't come off as a casual sex for the sake of "comfort" kind of guy. Also, that doesn't excuse the fact that she's his boss! :wacko:

Of course, with the turnover rate for people in charge of NTAC, her being his boss could easily be dealt with by her getting canned. <_<

On an aside, since you've been on the official boards, I was curious, did you notice if anyone thought Doyle was too young for Tom? I remember some people objected to Diana and Marco because they thought Marco was too young for her, but the age difference between Tom and Doyle is easily greater. It would stink if that was the case--if everyone had the attitude that it's okay for a guy to date someone obviously younger but it's not okay for a woman to do the same. :angry:


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Hopefully it'll all turn out to be some future faction's manipulation or (like someone speculated upthread) Meghan will turn out to be a marked herself. Otherwise, Ms. Doyle might win for most unprofessional fictional boss ever. She's a sexual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen!

Exactly! :nod:


On another related aside, I remember some people dismissed out of hand my suggestion that, considering how intimate Diana and Ben have been for so long, she would have noticed if he had a Mark behind his ear. Seeing as Doyle noticed a difference in Tom's Mark by touch on their second evening together, I think my suggestion has been validated. Even so. I still hope Ben is a Marked or at least working for them.
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Just to be clear, I was referring to the evil Marked!Tom will commit (yes, I'm assuming that will happen--it's hard not to) when I referred to him acting like a jerk, not his forgetting too quickly about the woman he supposedly was in love with for many AU years.

Just to be clear I knew what you meant, but I was responding to the first part of the quote about the plot with the evil director making you apethetic towards Tom. I just included the next two sentences because I prefer to quote entire paragraphs over single sentences. Sorry for the confusion. :blush:

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As to the possibility of Doyle being a Marked, I'd thought it would be interesting if her Marked and Tom's Marked were spouses in the future. Unfortunately, based on the writer's comments you shared, it would seem Doyle is no more or less than she seems. I can understand the writer's logic as far as both of them being in high-stress jobs that follow them home and no one else can relate to, but Tom just doesn't come off as a casual sex for the sake of "comfort" kind of guy. Also, that doesn't excuse the fact that she's his boss!

I don't know. I think that it is very odd that the writer took some time out to specifically address the evil director/Tom relationship and the backlash it is getting. I don't recall them doing that when Ben was introduced, and he got a lot more venom and got it faster then she has gotten it. So I'm thinking, or perhaps just hoping, that this was an attempt to throw people off the trail because they had made it way too easy to figure out that she was a marked. I'm going to stick with my gut that she is a marked though since I have been right before in my guesses(such as there being two factions in the future).

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On an aside, since you've been on the official boards, I was curious, did you notice if anyone thought Doyle was too young for Tom? I remember some people objected to Diana and Marco because they thought Marco was too young for her, but the age difference between Tom and Doyle is easily greater. It would stink if that was the case--if everyone had the attitude that it's okay for a guy to date someone obviously younger but it's not okay for a woman to do the same

I never saw that argument in the few threads that I looked through. Then again I can't say if any of the people in those discussions were opposed to the Diana/Marco relationship on those grounds so it could just be differnt people complaining about the relationships.

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On another related aside, I remember some people dismissed out of hand my suggestion that, considering how intimate Diana and Ben have been for so long, she would have noticed if he had a Mark behind his ear. Seeing as Doyle noticed a difference in Tom's Mark by touch on their second evening together, I think my suggestion has been validated. Even so. I still hope Ben is a Marked or at least working for them.

Yeah well she was aware of the fact that it shouldn't be there, and Tom is extremely hyper about it so she might have just been looking to see "Is it really gone?" Plus as we have seen in this episode, the mark doesn't always have to be present.
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just saw the whole thing...

main points:

* um, given that Tess compells people with a word or a thought (a thought? new development?)...when she told Kevin "you're mean" is that going to show in his behavior after this ep?

* the fight scene could be titled "fun with gravity" :laughbounce:

* here's a thought -- Doyle's not seducing Tom...he's seducing her (or rather, the Marked within him is)
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* I bet Tess' ability was tied to her mental illness....in other words, once Shawn healed her, she's as abilityless as Isabelle is.
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