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Topic Started: Aug 6 2006, 03:43 PM (4,797 Views)
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Aug 6 2006, 08:17 PM
I was confused at the end there when Tom's sister greeted Diana so familarly, but then I remembered Diana was at Shuan's coming home party, so they've meet...and likely Tom's talke about her, considering they spend most of the waking day together.

I had the same reaction--Why are they so familiar?--but my answer is simpler, I think: Diana saved her son! Recall that she wanted to give the one dose of promicin serum to Maia in Mommy's Bosses. ;)

I didn't spot Maia at the wedding, though I figure she must be there. Did anyone notice her?

Might have mentioned, "With Alana gone..." before asking Diana to the wedding, Tom! Poor Alana. Has there been any mention of her since the mail in Blink? :(

Although I was going "EWWWWW!!!" every time Shawn took a drag of that thing, my reaction to the results was always the same--Can't the poor guy ever catch a break?! Poor Shawn!

But the implication that Richard instigates a 4400 uprising is a bit startling, though believable, given his stance at the end of Mommy's Bosses. Of course, the vision involving Tom was equally startling. I think the idea of the wedding drawing disaster makes sense--all those 4400 in one place at one time. Did anyone else notice it was police who were showing up in the Tom vision? Looks like the choices are the 4400 rioting or a riot against the 4400. How are they going to figure a way out? I wonder which Maia has seen happen?

I agree that the idea the killer was acting under orders is far-fetched. Other than the reasons previously listed, why would he react to his colleague the way he did, and why would he do something as cryptic as kill the people in order of his dogtag number? I was bummed the sane AWOL fellow died; I like the actor.

Did anyone else wonder, "How did a guy looking like that get into the wedding? What was security doing?!" Of course, if he'd announced himself as JC, then he would have 1. been kicked out as a nut or 2. been taken to Shawn with an escort. I hadn't read any spoilers, though I'd figured he'd come back eventually. So I literally gasped when I saw him. Poor guy looks like a real mess. I hope we get to find out where he's been all this time.

And what are they doing with poor Marco? I think most folks feel sorry enough for him as it is. Did we need to see him asleep at his desk after pulling an all-nighter for them? (Though, must say YAY! for the non glasses moment.) And then having to ask about Maia, like he's not sure he's allowed? Ow! At least he got to do Theory Room stuff this time, and not just be Diana's psychic bouncing board like he'd been doing prior to Blink.

Anyone else notice that, in the last scene between Tom and Ryland, Tom was wearing black and white? He almost never wears white, let alone in with such an obvious contrast. Since it drew my attention, I think it must have been intentional--I've always had the impression the 4400 costume people are fairly deliberate in their outfit choices. But what were they trying to say, I wonder? Was it meant to express clarity on Tom's part or a lack of ability to see nuance, perhaps? Hmm...

As to the scenes from next week, I think the "You lied to me," is in reference to Isabelle giving JC the impression it was safe to throw his shindig in As Fate Would Have It. Oh, whatever will happen now he's back? Wonder if he'll have something to say about Ross? I want to know who that guy was! :wacko:
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Hello isabelle haters of the world...

First off where is my backup on izzy?
Isnt it clear? Ive said this like a thousant times, to go the website and read the blogs, even read the producers blogs...isabelle ISNT EVIL. If you LISTEN TO THE PRODUCERS ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE
youll see they describe her character as not knowing shes intently doing wrong, but just acting on her love for sean., Its not creepy she really really loves sean, and read her blog on how she knows sean is the real things.
Its just been to obvious this season for her to be evil, the twist is that she will be the savior, altho maias diary, FROM THE WEBSITE, suggest that she might be introuble next week among other things, but its clear izzy wants the best for sean, richard causes the catastrophe by actin in what he thought was a good move which obviously wasnt, and isabelle showed him the truth about the future, abotu everything

so its not that shawn is doomed, no,..hes been shown the light, that the catastrophe is coming no matter what, and him and isabelle (and now jordan it seems) are the o nly means to stop and save

It shows now that Richard isnt capable to run the center, so yay marriage of Izzy and Sean, save the world!
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Hello isabelle haters of the world...
Compared to IMDB, there actually aren't that many Izzy haters here. We only have 2 or 3
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can you give me alink to imdb? i want to represent for my girl!
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Hello isabelle haters of the world...


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If you LISTEN TO THE PRODUCERS ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE


I listen to the episodes.

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youll see they describe her character as not knowing shes intently doing wrong, but just acting on her love for sean., Its not creepy


Not creepy??

Ferrets marry at two years of age.

(there are one or two cultures on Earth who marry their infant daughters to full-grown men, but I suspect those are more diplomatic than for propagation)

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she really really loves sean, and read her blog on how she knows sean is the real things. 


She's two!

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so its not that shawn is doomed, no,..hes been shown the light,


The light at the end of the gas chamber, maybe.
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Aug 6 2006, 09:38 PM
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Aug 6 2006, 08:04 PM
Also she would have had to have had cancer or been close to the machine when it was messing things up.  I guess there is a possiblity but I would think that if she was taken then she got the promicin just like the rest of them.

Not nessicarilary, Marco said chromozone 11 mutations are genetic and passed on to the children. (at least I think i herd him say that...) anyone got it TiVo'ed and can check?

I was thinking I heard that the mutations were found out and stoped in 95 or something....thinking that she wasn't infected cause she wasn't around maybe? I really don't remember what my exact reasons where...I've slept since then :D

wow I kinda missed some stuff....

Hey one thing I was courius about, in the preview for this episode who said "you've created a killing machine." Or something like that...I don't remember it from the episode
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come on guys i knows its funny and cute, but the whole shes only "TWO YEAR" old argument is getting old. Were not talking about 2 in the old world sense, after all they are creating a new world right? so why think by old world standards, but dont trip im not going to get to literal with that translation, you guys already know...furthemore im glad you listen to the producers, then you should be on my side, and believe that her love for him is true and pure and her motives are honest, and based solely on him and doing right
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Aug 7 2006, 01:48 PM
can you give me alink to imdb? i want to represent for my girl!

You should go to the television without pity forum, most of them are isabelle bashers. Ive been defending isabelle from the start. I like her and I really do want her and shawn to end up together (sorry riley). Ive always said the isabelle = evil was too obvious especially for this show.

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I didn't spot Maia at the wedding, though I figure she must be there. Did anyone notice her?


If you read her diary on the main site it says diana wouldnt let her go.
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If richard and shawn are on opposiste sides in the future (from the vision), does that mean that matthew lied and shawn and isabelle are on the same side? Or is isabelle on richards side (unlikely)? If thats true why did he lie? Why was he trying to keep them apart? Maybe they do stop the catasrophy together.
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Kaylee: Everone's got someone but me. Wash tell me I'm pretty.
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Who 'choses' to go rogue? What about the lady with the boils on her hands? What about Shawn himself, with Maia?

What's the word for a citizen who sets out to do a great deal of damage to his or her own nation? (think of Dahmer, or the shoe bomber)

I told you it was a bad term. Ah here we go, a 4400 that breaks the law. Oh and if you were trying to direct me towards terrorists, then it only applies if they use their powers to perform terrorist actions. So anyways the new wording is, "Alright, making defenses against 4400 that decide to break the law is one thing. Making a military unit with the sole intent of killing off citizens of your own nation is something completely different(which was what I got as Ryland's intentions)."

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And remember that Richard turns the 4400 into an army.

In a pre-emptive strike. Want to take a guess as to what they were pre-empting?(not saying they were right, but I don't believe they are to blame).

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But remember something that's basic tactics: either you fight the enemy at a time and place of your choosing, or you fight the enemy at a time and place of their choosing.

But is it wise in choosing the location of the battle to fight a battle that doesn't need to be fought?

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Just because Ryland ultimately benefitted, doesn't mean that Ryland's the one behind this.

an analogy: many Jews died in the Black Death...does that mean that that medieval horror was the handiwork of anti-Semites?

It is just too convenient for my tastes. Everything wrapped up perfectly and Ryland's agenda progressed almost unimpeded. And the Black Death comparison would only work in no anti-Semites died of it. However I'm not going to win this point at this time even if I am right, so I'll just bow out on this idea for now.

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basic Sun Tzu: "He who knows himself and knows his enemy, will win a thousand of a thousand battles."

And they are their enemies why exactly?

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(was it a knife-wound, or just a wound?)

I thought I heard the word knife, but I could have been imagining it. I'll confirm when I rewatch.

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So....you're willing to believe that Isabelle hijacked Lilly's power of aging berries...but not to believe that Lilly could hear Isabelle in utero?

Since we have seen Isabelle hijack people's powers before(Graduation Day comes to mind), yes. Had we seen Lilly gain connections with people other the Isabelle then maybe I 'd be more inclined to agree with you, but we didn't. If you want a more detailed explanation of my train of though check the discussion thread for Graduation Day(I think). I posted the whole theory there.

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I didn't spot Maia at the wedding, though I figure she must be there. Did anyone notice her?

Diana didn't let her go.

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I think the idea of the wedding drawing disaster makes sense--all those 4400 in one place at one time.

The wedding doesn't draw the disaster, it is just a junction point between two potential futures(which could be the next day or a year or two in the future).

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As to the scenes from next week, I think the "You lied to me," is in reference to Isabelle giving JC the impression it was safe to throw his shindig in As Fate Would Have It.

Yeah I know, it is just some people like to argue with me over whether she really did lie to him, and hearing Jordan say it just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.

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Hello isabelle haters of the world...

Hello, although I am starting to move towards Ryland hate now because I need some variety.

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First off where is my backup on izzy?

I converted almost all of them to my side. :P

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Isnt it clear? Ive said this like a thousant times, to go the website and read the blogs, even read the producers blogs...isabelle ISNT EVIL. If you LISTEN TO THE PRODUCERS ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE
youll see they describe her character as not knowing shes intently doing wrong, but just acting on her love for sean., Its not creepy she really really loves sean, and read her blog on how she knows sean is the real things.

I don't know what you have been reading, but Isabelle's blog just creeps me out. Seriously one of those posts made my hate for her increase tenfold(I forgot which one). The producer's blog hasn't changed my opinion either(don't recall anything that really touches on her in ther actually).

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so its not that shawn is doomed, no,..hes been shown the light, that the catastrophe is coming no matter what, and him and isabelle (and now jordan it seems) are the o nly means to stop and save

The light of conspiring to kill off the people that are supposed to save the world?

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come on guys i knows its funny and cute, but the whole shes only "TWO YEAR" old argument is getting old. Were not talking about 2 in the old world sense, after all they are creating a new world right?

But she is two. You can't argue that point. The relationship is just wrong on so many levels, and Jordan had better bust it up.*crosses fingers*

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furthemore im glad you listen to the producers, then you should be on my side, and believe that her love for him is true and pure and her motives are honest, and based solely on him and doing right

Yup because doing the right thing is always about manipulating people to get them to do what you want. Who cares about other people because it is all about me.....Wait that doesn't sound right.

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If richard and shawn are on opposiste sides in the future (from the vision), does that mean that matthew lied and shawn and isabelle are on the same side? Or is isabelle on richards side (unlikely)? If thats true why did he lie? Why was he trying to keep them apart? Maybe they do stop the catasrophy together.

Well first off, Matthew wasn't exactly the most truthful person on the show. He changed his position multiple times in regards to Shawn and Isabelle. I think he might have just been trying to get her onto the path he wanted her on without her realizing it(doubt getting killed was in the plan though). Also it is possible that Isabelle changed the future so that they were on the same side by cirrupting Shawn onto her side(and Ryland's side by extention).
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