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| Rate Ep. 3.10: The Starzl Mutation | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 6 2006, 03:43 PM (4,798 Views) | |
| Ranadiel | Aug 7 2006, 06:11 AM Post #61 |
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Yes they are. They are constructing a military division with at least some intention to kill off citizens of their own country who have done anything wrong. You can justify it all you want, but it is still wrong and evil.
He did, but that would require one of her parents to live in the Seatle area(do we have any idea of where they lived?) and to have had exposure to the machine. Considering that it is at least implied that Lilly had promicin in her system, I don't think it is likely that she had the Starzyl mutation. Besides, they said that a 4400 and a regular human produce regular humans, they didn't say what happens between two promicin users(plus Isabelle could have had lots of genetic work on her before she was put in the womb making the whole thing moot).
Not neccesarily, it could be a long lasting disaster meaning that the promicin abilities are needed over a course of 100s of years and not just for a single day.
Because he is creating a military division with the intention of killing off American citizens(and some international ones) that have done nothing wrong. In addition, I'm not completely sure that the "crazy guy" was as crazy as we were lead to believe. Unhinged? Yes. Was he following orders? The more I think about it the more it makes sense. How did he get the list? He wasn't the one that took it from the hospitol. Ryland wanted the mutation eliminated, so what better way then make it look like a rogue agent? Was the knife wound really caused by that guy's friend? That was incredibly coincidental. After all, it removed NTAC's only ways to learn mre about the program and left no witnesses. I just have a hard time believing that he didn't have a hand in some of the killings that occured in this episode.
Darn it no. Her ability was to age stuff. Isabelle was the one who could mentally communicate(after all Richard could hear Isabelle at one point and time also).
We didn't see what was happening other than a couple of seconds. We don't know what caused that. Al we saw were the after effects(and I'm pretty sure that the two visions represent the two potential catastrophes trying to be prevented by the two groups from the future). |
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| R2Roswell | Aug 7 2006, 06:23 AM Post #62 |
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My Review: 7:05 Nice opener. I hope Shawn smokes that cigar (granted smoking is bad but right now that seems to be the least of the problems.) I really want Shawn to see his future. And that body that was found- gross! Wonder if the guy that killed him could've been one of Ryland's minions or a bad future human? 7:15 I'm liking it. Ah Tom asked Diana out on a date! Granted he said it wasn't a date but who's he trying to kid. LOL! Loved the look on Di's face when Tom asked if she was doing anything on Sunday. Glad Shawn smoked the cigar. Isabelle that stupid-ah! She is using him for evil reasons. Cool to see Marco without his glasses. He looks hot without them. I knew it, Rylands goons are involved. US military- Ryland just won't quit will he. 7:30 "Excellent question, if you find out tell me," loved that line by Marco. Another future vision. So the catastrophe did happen b/c Shawn didn't marry Isabelle. That doesn't make sense, then why kill Richard? Unless Richard disapproved or something. Can't believe Tom died! I yelled and screamed! Sweet moment between Diana & Marco. Nice of him to ask about Maia and Diana telling him that Maia asks about him a lot. Nice anatomy lesson on the Starzl mutation. Argh Ryland!!! 7:40 Now I'm worried for Tom & Diana if they get in the way of that guy again. Poor Shawn. He has two futures right infront of him and doesn't know what to dco. Good to see that when it comes down to work there's no awkward tension between M/D 7:50 Oh man! Okay so Richard is the one that started the war. & the reason why the 4400 were sent back to Seattle is b/c that's the only place where they can reproduce: 4400 + Starzl Mutation= Promicin + 4400 + Normal= Promicin - Well Ryalnd seems to be loosing at just about everything hu? Tom & Diana do a good job trapping him all the time. Hope that guy doesn't kill Tom. 8:00 Oh man!!!! Crazy ending! Glad Tom made it out okay. Ryland may have won this round but NTAC will be on the ball again, they have to be. I know Collier would be back but I didn't expect to be as thrilled about it as I was! I can't believe Ryland- he said their's no difference between the general public and the 4400. He really hates them doesn't he. Hope NTAC finds out it's that evil "Bridzilla" that's giving Ryland the Promicin. Another great job to the cast & crew of the 4400!!!!! Scale of 1-10 definately deserves a 10+ on my scale!!!!! Way to go!!!!! |
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| BLACKITALY | Aug 7 2006, 07:25 AM Post #63 |
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Awesome show, by far the best this season IMO. Shawn needs to take up smoking now, and get a few more of them cigars from Claudio. The vision seems to be a view of the "compounded" catastrophe with the addition of Issabelle, (not the original catastrophe that the PFTF were trying to thwart.) which looks to happen alot sooner than the latter. I was hoping they would shed some light on the original catastrophe. (but i guess there saving that one for next season.) Ok, I can understand the reason why seattle (the only possibility of reproducing 4400 offspring by normal humans with starzl mutation). But why 2004? If there is a way to turn everyone into 4400 with promicin injections, with burkoffs experiment, then why the need? It put them too close to the same people (Ryland) that would try to use there abilities against all of mankind. I like the Shawn/Richard collabo. Wondering why Shawns 3rd vision was the same as the first with richard now knowing that shawn would try to kill him.(didnt even put up a fight). But he was injured at the time, so mabey he still wouldn't be able to prevent it. Bet he wish he saved some of that cigar to blaze now that JC is back :). hell, everyone need to get together and have a smoke session. WELCOME BACK JORDAN!!! I was also wondering how Tom wasn't affected by the soldiers ability when they were fighting. I was thinking along the same lines that mabey it only affects those with starzl, or doesnt work under water. But did like the fight scene with a US soldier and an NTAC agent. Tom is a bad...shut yo mouth.... Overall, they still left me hanging on alot of important questions I thought they would answer in this show, but its keeping me watching. Nice... *updated*- They almost lost me as a viewer with the gay hooker *ish in the begining, if i so much as seen a head duck under the dash board, it would of been all she wrote for me. (But they did keep it "clean" for the scene). |
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| Keenir | Aug 7 2006, 07:45 AM Post #64 |
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I envy you a great deal. and congratulations on your question. (I'd have been afraid of asking a dumb question, so I kept away from the chat) |
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| Keenir | Aug 7 2006, 07:48 AM Post #65 |
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Or maybe he did know, and spoke accordingly. muse: "what, Baldwin thought before he spoke? looked before he leaped?"
Just because Tom says something, doesn't mean it is....civil unrest is not the end of humanity. |
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| Keenir | Aug 7 2006, 08:10 AM Post #66 |
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Would Tom or Diana quit, if they believed in what they were doing? Nope; so why should Ryland be any less dedicated?
No, he said there isn't neccessarily a difference between "defending the American people" and "keeping the 4400 under control".
Oliver Knox went on a killing spree. Shawn Farrell has come very close to killing three people. (if you're one of the three, do you care that it was unintentional?) How many threats are there amongst the 4400? What percentage? (and we don't know, which makes NTAC's job all the harder...and leads to actions like Ryland's bosses)
You misunderstood what he said. The military division was created to face threats. Now, if you're afraid of being attacked by terrorists (be they 4400s or Al Qaeda), do you want your government to have a military that's ready at all times -- or do you want your government to create a military only after you are attacked? "Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom." That statement from one of our Founding Fathers cuts both ways.
How does it make sense? Only NTAC agents can go AWOL ?
He wasn't? So, what, was the list passed around as a study aid before he went AWOL ?
Given that both guys were military, we can be sure that neither of them would die without a fight.
why not blame Ryland for the Common Cold and Influenza and the Black Plague too?
Richard could only talk to Isabelle after the kid was born. Lily could talk to Isabelle in the womb. (and what ep had Lily age things?) |
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| Ranadiel | Aug 7 2006, 09:32 AM Post #67 |
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I thought it was "attacking the 4400" not keeping them under control(or at least that that was the implication).
Alright, making defenses against 4400 that decide to go rogue(for lack of a better term) is one thing. Making a military unit with the sole intent of killing off citizens of your own nation is something completely different(which was what I got as Ryland's intentions).
And if I am remembering his dialogue properly he has implied that he feels the existence of the 4400 is a threat in and of themselves. So while he may have said threats, what he meant was all 4400.
Being ready at all times and what Ryland is trying to do are completely different things. All I have at the moment is a gut feeling, but I'm thinking that in essence Ryland is essentially poking a bear to wake it up so that it will kill someone so he can kill it and be a hero. Maybe I'm just shifting my attacking from Isabelle to Ryland, but I still say he is a slug.
It makes sense because Ryland gets part of his agenda done without anyone being able to point a finger at him. Its only a half baked idea that I had after the show at the moment, but I really think that Ryland(or someone else in his company) had more to do with this whole thing then we have been led to believe.
Why would he need to know the people that have the Starzl Mutation? Why do the soldiers even need to know about the mutation in the first place? It just doesn't make any sense......unless they were planning on killing those people(perhaps it was just a future plan that he screwed up, but it works better with it being a "rogue" agent).
True, I might be jumping the gun on that one, but when I rewatch the episode I'm going to keep a close watch for a knife either on or near the guy. If there is one, then I guess this part of my idea is dead, but if there isn't one then I might be onto something.
How did you know what my next theory was going to be?
It is still evidence pointing towards the power being with Isabelle and not Lilly. Perhaps Isabelle's power was limited while she was in the womb? Wasn't Lilly able to hear Isabelle for a while after she was born and then it just suddenly switched to Richard? Oh and I was more forceful then I meant to be in my assertion that aging things was Lilly's power. There are only two instances of it, and both times require for Isabelle to have been hijacking Lilly's powers(first time were berries in the woods, second time was Isabelle herself). |
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| Keenir | Aug 7 2006, 10:01 AM Post #68 |
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President Lincoln arrested thousands of lawyers and others who he saw as a threat to the prosecution of the Civil War.
Who 'choses' to go rogue? What about the lady with the boils on her hands? What about Shawn himself, with Maia? What's the word for a citizen who sets out to do a great deal of damage to his or her own nation? (think of Dahmer, or the shoe bomber)
And remember that Richard turns the 4400 into an army.
He very well may be poking a bear....I grant you that such is a possibility. But remember something that's basic tactics: either you fight the enemy at a time and place of your choosing, or you fight the enemy at a time and place of their choosing.
Just because Ryland ultimately benefitted, doesn't mean that Ryland's the one behind this. an analogy: many Jews died in the Black Death...does that mean that that medieval horror was the handiwork of anti-Semites?
basic Sun Tzu: "He who knows himself and knows his enemy, will win a thousand of a thousand battles."
And it may very well have been a rogue agent.
Given that an Army Ranger left a firepit with a lot of smoke rising from it, I wouldn't doubt he had a knife on him....or even used the knife on himself. (was it a knife-wound, or just a wound?)
Us minorities are used to being blamed for everything that happens.
So....you're willing to believe that Isabelle hijacked Lilly's power of aging berries...but not to believe that Lilly could hear Isabelle in utero?
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| 4400fan | Aug 7 2006, 10:02 AM Post #69 |
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Keenir lots of people asked stupid questions one said dhe was freakier then Michael Jackson but sung better then him she took that as a compliment. You should have checked it out |
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| Keenir | Aug 7 2006, 10:04 AM Post #70 |
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Did anyone ask if she deliberately said "No worries" in that one ep? thanks for the reassurance. maybe next time. |
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