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Isabelle; Whats your take?
Topic Started: Jul 26 2006, 05:43 PM (750 Views)
Geekster
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Sorry if this thread has been started already. I didn't see it on here anywhere so , I decided to start one.

I'm like 3 episodes behind right now. I just finished watching Gone part II. At first I was fine with Isabelle....now I'm not so sure....Obviously, she's a HUGE part in whats to come, otherwise ( SPOILER?? ) why would Tom need to kill her. Not to mention she almost killed her father...and she apparently has bigger abilities than anyone we've seen. But I just don't understand why she's even here, its obviously the future-dudes fault she's here in the first place, right?

How do you guys feel about her?
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I hope between the time you posted and the time I am replying you have caught up. Because I am going to SPOILER it for you.



Isabelle is ebul... Understandibly it's like a program. The Promicin syrum was modified. To make Dr. Burkhoff montser then beautiful with a power was only the first of grades that will make 4400's. I think that the power gained by Dr. Burkhoff allows him to live forever. In the future I also believe is evil. I might be proven wrong. He comes to realize what he created that he was the reason the world was destroyed the ebul poeple planted Tess to wake up burkhoff. It's like a loop in time. I don't know where I am going. But Isabelle was created buy ebul. Richard tyler knows what has to be done. And Tom baldwin is the only one left with that Needle. Theory is that Richard will use his Telekinesis to throw the needle into his daughter at the end of the season trying to kill her.. He dies too... My theory. I prolly just ruined someone's day. My apologies


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She's evil and the best thing her fans can hope for is for her to to have death that redeems her. She's gone far past the redeemable living point. She's a cold blooded killer with the powers of a god. At first she was just born with an inclanation for evil, but she has given in to it without even realizing she has. Oh and if we are to believe the people with knowledge of the future, then she was created to stop the 4400 by someone other then the people who created the 4400.


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Isabelle is ebul... Understandibly it's like a program. The Promicin syrum was modified. To make Dr. Burkhoff montser then beautiful with a power was only the first of grades that will make 4400's. I think that the power gained by Dr. Burkhoff allows him to live forever. In the future I also believe is evil. I might be proven wrong. He comes to realize what he created that he was the reason the world was destroyed the ebul poeple planted Tess to wake up burkhoff. It's like a loop in time. I don't know where I am going. But Isabelle was created buy ebul. Richard tyler knows what has to be done. And Tom baldwin is the only one left with that Needle. Theory is that Richard will use his Telekinesis to throw the needle into his daughter at the end of the season trying to kill her.. He dies too... My theory. I prolly just ruined someone's day. My apologies

Alright, I can only follow about half of this, but your idea doesn't make any sense. If Kevin is an enemy of the FFHCs then why wake him up in the first place. They could just send his research back in time and leave him in the crazy house thereby preventing him from ever being able to create Isabelle. Besides we have no evidence that Kevin's power is anything besides a healing factor. Also Richard would never be able to stick Isabelle with a needle like that. She would just hijack his power and reverse the needle, and why not give Richard the needle if he was able to stick Isabelle with it.
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I do think the idea with Richard and the needle is a good one. He'll just have to work in tandem with Tom. If Tom is distracting her so that she doesn't *know* Richard is going to use his power against her then she won't be able to turn it on him.

Have we ever really seen her take on more than one 'enemy' at a time? Even if she has... has she been shown to be so 'aware' of an enemy that she can't be distracted while someone else goes after her?

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ketchupklf
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I do think the idea with Richard and the needle is a good one. He'll just have to work in tandem with Tom. If Tom is distracting her so that she doesn't *know* Richard is going to use his power against her then she won't be able to turn it on him.

Have we ever really seen her take on more than one 'enemy' at a time? Even if she has... has she been shown to be so 'aware' of an enemy that she can't be distracted while someone else goes after her?

Kristy

No idea on if she can detect people around her(and by extention promicin users). However if the people responsible for her were intellegent then they did give her that ability(besides to take over another person's power she has to have some insight into them). As for taking on multiple opponents at once? That's easy, hijack Richard's powers and use them to swing Tom around mid air possibly hitting Richard in the process.
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Not all 4400's where abducted and sent back with the best of intentions. Tess... What kind of power is mind control. Especially to a Schitzophrenic(sp?)... And how did the Future know that Kevin and Tess would fall in love. You can't tell the direct affects on whats happening now and in the future because it(for the shows purposes) don't work like that. I believe that there are 4400's that had no purpose. And there are those that do. It's almost based on a prophecy system. Kyle Baldwin will be back.. And he will have some sort of power. Tom baldwin and Diana are the only two not set in stone from what we have so far. Because the storyline has built a third investegator up to Diana and Tom. I forgot his name. He made the Doomsday clock comment and was in Blink asking Diana who she saw. Now back to Kevin Burkhoff. Think about his power. Capable of healing beyond fatal wounds. He can never get sick or age past a certain point. He also believe he can "Benefit" from humanity's "Catastrophe". Think about why he would do it. He wants to be God... And he wants everything. Maybe he is having a struggle with himself to know what he wants. Schitzophrenic type personality disorder... He is both good and bad.


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Not all 4400's where abducted and sent back with the best of intentions. Tess... What kind of power is mind control. Especially to a Schitzophrenic(sp?)... And how did the Future know that Kevin and Tess would fall in love.

It is the type of power that gets a device for restoring Kevin's ability to think built. The after effects of Tess's reintroduction? The FFHC don't care once she has completed her purpose, which was to restore Kevin(although her having additional purposes in the future is possible), as long as it doesn't mess up the rest of their plans.

As for them falling in love, either a) they didn't and that just happened or B) they knew it the same way they knew Tom and Alana would fall in love.

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I believe that there are 4400's that had no purpose. And there are those that do.

That doesn't make sense though. They are performing a precision experiment here. You aren't going to mix two chemicals that can explode in any amount other then what you believe you need for your experiment in order to prevent an uncontrolled explosion. Sedning people back in time with the intent of altering the time line has potential reprecussions millions of times worse then an explosion that might damage some lab equipment. They did not send back any more or any less people then they thought was neccesary(that might include multiple ways for the same results, but that only covers uncertainty from time travel). If they understand time travel, then they will relaize they are basically playing with the big bang, and have no desire to mess things up worse then they already are.

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Because the storyline has built a third investegator up to Diana and Tom.

There are a lot of other investigators at NTAC. At the moment the only one we know for sure is important is Tom(even if we don't know why). They just are using the same actor for convenience probably for whenever they need another NTAC agent.

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Think about his power. Capable of healing beyond fatal wounds. He can never get sick or age past a certain point.
And that bolded part is where this argument begins to fall apart. We have only seen Kevin's ability used twice. The first was a scapal stab. The other time were bullet wounds. Both of these were stabbing injuries. That is the only thing we know for sure he can heal from. If we chop off a limb will it grow back? Maybe or maybe not. If we continually shake Kevin's head back and forth at 100 miles per hour will he manage to avoid serious brain damage? Perhaps. Will he not age? We don't know. Can he get sick? We have no idea. Is he immortal? It is possible, but we have no evidence at the moment to say he is immune to every form of death. Therefore we can't say for sure that he will outlive everyone else(besides you can always kill him by decapitating him, removing the brain and then disecting it into many tiny pieces and locking them in extremely tiny containers).

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Think about why he would do it. He wants to be God... And he wants everything.

He wouldn't be a god he would be the lapdog to Isabelle if he was lucky. I didn't see a man who wanted to have absolute power in any of his appearances. I saw a man that wanted knowledge and for his research to be fruitful. That just doesn't match the motives from the OPFTF.
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I think that Isebelle is the most skankiest person that has ever walked the earth she is forcing shawn ferrel to marry her and she does not deserve to have somebody like him. If I had the shot that tom has i would kill her in a heart beat she's flippin evil in the episode blink she is doing something to his mom she is touching her arm and it's really pale when she's talking to his mom and she let go of her hand and it turned back to it's normal color
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My person thought about Isabelle, is not that she's evil but what i'n trying to understand is... how is she creating exactly, was richard and lilly given the Isabelle by the "good" people of the future, or the "bad"?

like, were Richard and Lilly taken back and ment to be sent back as themselves with the 4400 and then the "bad" people of the future then got wind of the 4400 plan and manage to tamper with them to make isabelle, or on the other hand did the "good" lot want isabelle to happen and there plan went wrong either because of tampering later on or because mathew messed things up for them?

I wonder if anyone else had thought of stuff along these lines?
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My person thought about Isabelle, is not that she's evil but what i'n trying to understand is... how is she creating exactly, was richard and lilly given the Isabelle by the "good" people of the future, or the "bad"?

like, were Richard and Lilly taken back and ment to be sent back as themselves with the 4400 and then the "bad" people of the future then got wind of the 4400 plan and manage to tamper with them to make isabelle, or on the other hand did the "good" lot want isabelle to happen and there plan went wrong either because of tampering later on or because mathew messed things up for them?

I wonder if anyone else had thought of stuff along these lines?

I've always wondered how Isabelle came to be. I have had much of the same thoughts as you. I've always wondered if she was in the future's plan or not.
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